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NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7229 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-29 21:32:45
August 29 2008 21:31 GMT
#501
7-8 years in a state senate is not a high office qualifying one for the presidency either. Especially when his career in that senate was largely anonymous.

I can grant you that Obama is more experienced than Palin, but not much. Certainly not enough to claim as the Obama campaign is that he is qualified to be president and she is not.
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HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
August 29 2008 21:32 GMT
#502
I'm excited about the Palin pick we need more oil interests in the white house, absolutely.
People who fail to distinguish Socratic Method from malicious trolling are sadly stupid and not worth a response.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-29 21:37:48
August 29 2008 21:37 GMT
#503
On August 30 2008 06:31 NovaTheFeared wrote:
7-8 years in a state senate is not a high office qualifying one for the presidency either. Especially when his career in that senate was largely anonymous.

I can grant you that Obama is more experienced than Palin, but not much. Certainly not enough to claim as the Obama campaign is that he is qualified to be president and she is not.

Maybe, but he does have back up. For McCain, she is the back up.

Also, McCain has been running on experience as his platform. Lets just say McCain/Biden represent experience and Obama/Palin represent change. Make believe that you can actually quantify those two characteristics (yes, this is absolute bullshit.) Who comes out on top overall in McCain/Palin vs Obama/Biden. I think Obiden wins in a landslide.
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a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5085 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-29 21:57:31
August 29 2008 21:39 GMT
#504
On August 30 2008 06:19 NovaTheFeared wrote:
I believe the quote was that having Palin a heartbeat away from the Presidency was irresponsible. Obama has a very similar amount of experience and less achievements, is it irresponsible to elect him?

Source?

Here's the only negative statement I found:

Today, John McCain put the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency," said Obama spox Bill Burton. "Gov. Palin shares John McCain's commitment to overturning Roe v. Wade, the agenda of Big Oil, and continuing George Bush's failed economic policies -- that's not the change we need, it's just more of the same.

Edit: this must be the statement you were referring to, but it's a bit more nuanced than you described
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Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
August 29 2008 21:46 GMT
#505
Amusingly, Obama's experience in elected office matches Abraham Lincoln's when he was elected president almost exactly.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 29 2008 21:57 GMT
#506
Don't forget her PTA experience.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
August 29 2008 22:46 GMT
#507
Aside from her social conservatism, I think Palin's a good choice. She's a very charismatic speaker. But, most importantly:

http://vpilf.com/
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Folca
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
2235 Posts
August 29 2008 22:46 GMT
#508
OH BAH MAH
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sith
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2474 Posts
August 29 2008 22:54 GMT
#509
On August 30 2008 06:31 NovaTheFeared wrote:
7-8 years in a state senate is not a high office qualifying one for the presidency either. Especially when his career in that senate was largely anonymous.

I can grant you that Obama is more experienced than Palin, but not much. Certainly not enough to claim as the Obama campaign is that he is qualified to be president and she is not.


I disagree that Obama is more experienced. Palin has been in an executive office now for a similar amount of time that Obama has been a senator, but she's actually been doing work rather than simply campaigning nonstop. Can you really call simply voting with your party "experience" either?

Barack Obama has missed 290 votes (45.5%) during the current Congress.


Barack Obama has voted with a majority of his Democratic colleagues 96.0% of the time during the current Congress. This percentage does not include votes in which Obama did not vote.


http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000167/

Sounds like he's really been doing his job, he'll make a great president.
Kaesi
Profile Joined July 2008
United States82 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-29 23:08:00
August 29 2008 23:02 GMT
#510
On August 30 2008 06:31 NovaTheFeared wrote:
7-8 years in a state senate is not a high office qualifying one for the presidency either. Especially when his career in that senate was largely anonymous.

I can grant you that Obama is more experienced than Palin, but not much. Certainly not enough to claim as the Obama campaign is that he is qualified to be president and she is not.


I'm an Obama supporter, but to add to this comment, exactly what part of the Senate prepares someone to make decisions in the Oval Office? Since when has legislative work been pertinent experience for being a commander-in-chief? Is it supposed to suggest savvy in forming voting majorities? Isn't that what the election proves? Is it supposed to imply a strong grasp of diplomacy? Again, isn't that what the election proves? I don't understand what part of the executive command is so similar to the legislative process. Can anyone explain this to me?

In my opinion, governors and mayors share a much more similar role to the presidency than a Senate position does. Senators are legislative. They rule over subcommittees, fair enough, but that's a far cry from the role of a governor. A governor straight up runs a state, balances its budget (at least they're supposed to), and has to juggle the various political factions in a state to keep them at least happy enough to form a voting majority, while not breaking the state's finances to keep them that way. To me, a Senate position just does not have the same kind of responsibilities. It's a helluva lot more political hobnobbing, pork bellies, and lobbyist dinners on Capitol Hill.

At the same time, a President's role is to be the face of the administration. It's his role to serve as the ideological leader and guide of the nation. It's not always to micromanage a country of 300 million. Obama's got the charisma, he's got the idealism, and he's got the pedigree to put our country on the right track. Sure, a candidate could always be better, but tbh, I'd be suspicious if I ran into a candidate that was TOO perfect for the presidency. That screams groomed to me. AKA George Bush Sr. AKA a dynasty. Obama's a good man for the times, and a brilliant politician in general. I LIKE HIS BALLS!!! His wife could be hotter tho. McCain's wife was milfy in her time... and she's Princess Budweiser.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-29 23:23:41
August 29 2008 23:06 GMT
#511
Despite the pick there were better female candidates on the Republican side than Palin. Also i wonder if there is any fallout from the Romney camp etc.

And a WTF moment: They only met once, that was in Feb of this year!

edit:
I still can't answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the V.P. does every day?- Sarah Palin
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NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7229 Posts
August 29 2008 23:35 GMT
#512
Obama agreed with me rather than his campaign in graciously welcoming Palin to the race with his running mate Biden. He slapped down the spokesman who put out that statement about Palin's inexperience by saying "You know campaigns start getting these hair triggers, and the statement Joe and I put out (welcoming her) reflects our sentiments."

It seems one of his staff members spoke out of turn regarding Palin and honestly it would be very unwise to go after Palin on this front because focusing the attention on who's the most experienced candidate is always going to backfire on Obama.
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alphafuzard
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1610 Posts
August 29 2008 23:36 GMT
#513
jesus christ
if mccain get elected and dies in office (hes fucking 72 there is definitely a chance) then we are stuck with the fucking 1 year governor of FUCKING ALASKA as president of the FUCKING MOST POWERFUL NATION ON EARTH
WHAT THE FUCK!

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GeneralStan
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States4789 Posts
August 29 2008 23:42 GMT
#514
It seems to me that the Palin choice is an attempt to kill two birds with one stone. For one, as has been discussed, women who are disgruntled with Hillary's loss are now more likely to vote for McCain. I think people here are underestimating how much of a difference this could make. Many Hillary supporters were lower class and less educated women who were attracted to Hillary's run because of its history rather than Hillary's specific politics. I have a feeling that there are a lot of women who don't even know much about politics who will in fact vote for the McCain - Palin ticket out of spite (at least that ticket has ONE woman on it).

The choice also serves a second purpose by placating the staunch conservatives who are angered by McCain's reasonable stance on immigration. He need to do more latino bashing if he wants to placate them. Or choose a rapid pro-life, oil friendly veep candidate. Either way.
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Silverflame
Profile Joined August 2006
United States428 Posts
August 30 2008 00:02 GMT
#515
Whether Obama or Palin have more experience isn't important. What is important is whether you're comfortable with the thought of either being commander in chief. Experience is an important part of that, but so is familiarity, judgment, temperament, character, and a whole other host of issues. We've had 18 months to become familiar with Obama. We know his entire life story, we know every unscrupulous figure he could've possibly associated with in the past, we've seen him work under pressure, and most of us should have a good idea of what an Obama Presidency would look like.

But Sarah Palin we know nothing about. There's only two months before the election. The sole purpose of the Vice President is to be ready to step up and become President. Can anyone imagine her as commander in chief? Does anyone even have a clue what that would be like?

It's pretty obvious to me McCain was originally going with someone like Mitt or Pawlenty and changed his mind at last minute. Judging by Pawlenty and Romney's anger or how TX Senator Kay Bailey Hutchinson (a female GOP elected official far more qualified than Palin) said she knows nothing about her, even the Republican party is confused over the pick.
TeCh)PsylO
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3552 Posts
August 30 2008 00:38 GMT
#516
This seems like an obvious pick meant only to target a demographic and put the republican ticket on the same ground breaking civil rights stage of having a non-white male on a major ticket. In the 10 minutes I have been home from work I have already read on the major news sites how brilliant of a veep pick this was, but I think that impression should wither down quickly. Ultimately we will be comparing apples to apples - Obama to McCain, and Biden to Palin. A comparison that I think does the democrats well. Why in the world is anyone comparing Palin to Obama anyway? Thats just silly.
People change, then forget to tell each other - Susan Scott
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-30 01:04:40
August 30 2008 00:59 GMT
#517
"Reform" seems to be the new buzzword for the McCain campaign. That's not to say that he hasn't been using it, but I've heard the word today about 150x as much as I've heard it in the past few months.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-30 01:38:41
August 30 2008 01:31 GMT
#518
Obama should use Palin's own words against her and McCain, for example McCain pushes the Iraq surge as a major factor that he can be President and knows foreign policy, but here is what Palin said about the surge:

I've been so focused on state government, I haven't really focused much on the war in Iraq. I heard on the news about the new deployments.


And as her pick for VP, well:

What is it exactly that the vice president does all day?


Those are two commercials right there, put those in battleground states could show some results.

EDIT:

More stuff:

Palin Pleased with Obama's Energy Plan

Cached version, the original document has been removed recently(uh huh).
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Pacifist
Profile Joined October 2003
Israel1683 Posts
August 30 2008 02:14 GMT
#519
Honestly, not to be State-ist or anything, but Palin is the governor of ALASKA. FUCKING ALASKA. Are you kidding me? That shouldn't even count as being governor. On top of that, she has only been governor for 1.75 years! That's NOTHING when it comes to experience.

To think someone with that level of cluelessness can potentially become the most powerful/influential person on this planet?
Riding a bike is overrated.
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
August 30 2008 02:18 GMT
#520
On August 30 2008 08:36 alphafuzard wrote:
jesus christ
if mccain get elected and dies in office (hes fucking 72 there is definitely a chance) then we are stuck with the fucking 1 year governor of FUCKING ALASKA as president of the FUCKING MOST POWERFUL NATION ON EARTH
WHAT THE FUCK!


Amen

Mccain's choice of VP was the most epic fail I've seen for a long time
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