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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
August 22 2008 22:26 GMT
#221
This was this year's Human Development Report rankings.

# Iceland
# Norway
# Australia
# Canada
# Ireland
# Sweden
# Switzerland
# Japan
# Netherlands
# France
# Finland
# United States

Our life expectancy is a bit lower than most of those countries by a few years, but that can be due to a number of issues. Our net primary school enrollment rate is significantly lower than most modern countries (low 90%s), our poverty index is fairly high, our health expenditure per capita is almost double some of those other countries, we all know about how our public schools fare in comparison to others. Being #13 is still quite good and we have to spend more money on military than any other country, but the biggest places we're lagging behind are in health care and education, which are certainly fixable issues and those countries that are performing the best have moved away from privatization.

Interestingly enough, our CO2 emissions per capita is high and should be improved, but not substantially higher than Canada, Australia or Norway.

Oh, and our prison populations per capita are high as are homicide rates. I wouldn't pay much attention to the indexes since I just saw Japan ranks higher than us in their gender index, but the %s and rates are worth nothing.
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
August 22 2008 22:29 GMT
#222
socialism as opposed to what?

even the US doesnt have a pure free market. Socialism isnt communism, its not a bad thing. And it varies based on the country. Socialism in Canada isnt the same as socailism in Finland.

and obama doesnt even mention socialism in the video you linked.

All he does is say that America needs to devote money to its infrastructure or it will lose business to China
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Hippopotamus
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
1914 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-22 22:30:43
August 22 2008 22:30 GMT
#223
On August 23 2008 07:24 shmay wrote:
It was just a cute way to introduce the video, and again, I was just explaining the connection there.

Nobody's disturbed that he's advocating socialism?



1. There is no connection. You're just throwing out a red herring to dodge the real issue.
2. There's nothing wrong with socialism. Do you want to live in a purely capitalist society? No social security. No minimum wage. No government aid in case you're fucked. If you answer yes then you are under 18. And since when has he advocated socialism anyway?

HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
August 22 2008 22:40 GMT
#224
On August 23 2008 07:26 Jibba wrote:
This was this year's Human Development Report rankings.

# Iceland
# Norway
# Australia
# Canada
# Ireland
# Sweden
# Switzerland
# Japan
# Netherlands
# France
# Finland
# United States

Our life expectancy is a bit lower than most of those countries by a few years, but that can be due to a number of issues. Our net primary school enrollment rate is significantly lower than most modern countries (low 90%s), our poverty index is fairly high, our health expenditure per capita is almost double some of those other countries, we all know about how our public schools fare in comparison to others. Being #13 is still quite good and we have to spend more money on military than any other country, but the biggest places we're lagging behind are in health care and education, which are certainly fixable issues and those countries that are performing the best have moved away from privatization.

Interestingly enough, our CO2 emissions per capita is high and should be improved, but not substantially higher than Canada, Australia or Norway.

Oh, and our prison populations per capita are high as are homicide rates. I wouldn't pay much attention to the indexes since I just saw Japan ranks higher than us in their gender index, but the %s and rates are worth nothing.

What are you implying as causality?

We could have free health care tomorrow and those numbers won't change.
People who fail to distinguish Socratic Method from malicious trolling are sadly stupid and not worth a response.
GeneralStan
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States4789 Posts
August 23 2008 01:01 GMT
#225
On August 23 2008 07:24 shmay wrote:
It was just a cute way to introduce the video, and again, I was just explaining the connection there.

Nobody's disturbed that he's advocating being more like China?



He advocated keeping our infrastructure the best in the world. Sounds like a pretty damn good idea to me. Give it up already.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Ra.Xor.2
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1784 Posts
August 23 2008 01:47 GMT
#226
McCain will get a heart attack once elected, Obama is the smart choice :D.
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nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
August 23 2008 02:06 GMT
#227
i almost lost faith in the american people after they elected bush a SECOND time, but let's just wait and see how far they will go in their obvious idiocy... on the bright side though:
the good thing about the americans compared to europeans is that they have a much less cynical view of the world and i think that might be what can save them. GO USA.
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
August 23 2008 02:16 GMT
#228
On August 23 2008 07:22 a-game wrote:
i can't believe anyone thinks Obama will pick Biden.

that would be a hilariously bad pick imo


huh?
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 23 2008 04:18 GMT
#229
Well apparently Fox thinks it's Biden, seeing how they already attacking him.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5214 Posts
August 23 2008 04:38 GMT
#230
On August 23 2008 11:16 Mindcrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2008 07:22 a-game wrote:
i can't believe anyone thinks Obama will pick Biden.

that would be a hilariously bad pick imo


huh?

what are you having a hard time understanding about that post?
you wouldnt feel that way if it was *your* magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen - racebannon
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 23 2008 04:40 GMT
#231
On August 23 2008 13:38 a-game wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2008 11:16 Mindcrime wrote:
On August 23 2008 07:22 a-game wrote:
i can't believe anyone thinks Obama will pick Biden.

that would be a hilariously bad pick imo


huh?

what are you having a hard time understanding about that post?


Reasons why it would be a bad choice?
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5214 Posts
August 23 2008 04:47 GMT
#232
hmm i see i miscalculated, i thought the majority of younger supporters thought that he was a bad choice.

my reasons are that he looks like peter boyle, he's about as much status quo washingtonian as you can get, he voted for the iraq war. there's just absolutely nothing pleasing about the matchup to me except for his foreign policy cred. i'd be really surprised if he's the guy.
you wouldnt feel that way if it was *your* magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen - racebannon
Wysp
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Canada2299 Posts
August 23 2008 04:47 GMT
#233
I'm really excited about the campaigning tactics these guy are gonna use. Its going to be very fascinating watching the best campaigns in the world competing to see who can convince the most of the rabble that they aren't fucking them.

I really love political rhetoric, its great entertainment at a real world scale.
an overdeveloped sense of self preservation
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 23 2008 04:50 GMT
#234
It's Joesph Biden.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5214 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-23 05:04:53
August 23 2008 04:52 GMT
#235
oh and i forgot to mention: he's really old.

yeah i see CNN is saying it's biden. i really really dislike this choice if this proves to be it.

Edit: hopefully i'll warm up to the guy

The official who spoke did so on condition of anonymity, saying they did not want to pre-empt a text-message announcement the Obama campaign promised for Saturday morning.

haha this statement makes no sense to me. how is making an anonymous leak not pre-empting the text-message announcement tomorrow morning??
you wouldnt feel that way if it was *your* magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen - racebannon
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
August 23 2008 05:53 GMT
#236
While I wish we were talking about Handsome McBeardface right now, I think Biden is the best available candidate at playing the hitman role that some campaigns need.
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a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5214 Posts
August 23 2008 06:14 GMT
#237
hmm i see your point jibba.

i was checking out some biden videos and i have to agree he seems like a good attack dog.

you wouldnt feel that way if it was *your* magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen - racebannon
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7232 Posts
August 23 2008 06:32 GMT
#238
Obama selected Biden, who said Obama wasn't ready to be president and that the presidency was no place for "on the job training"?

I can see the campaign commercials already.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 23 2008 06:38 GMT
#239
On August 23 2008 15:32 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Obama selected Biden, who said Obama wasn't ready to be president and that the presidency was no place for "on the job training"?

I can see the campaign commercials already.


Here's the kicker. If McCain picks Romney think of the counter commercials with what was said between those two. If he picks Liberman, well...
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7232 Posts
August 23 2008 06:42 GMT
#240
I know, Romney is the odds on favorite to be the VP pick and the negative primary could come back to bite. What is most interesting and entertaining to me as a political observer is seeing a well-run campaign. I hate watching candidates make fairly obvious and avoidable blunders like Romney/Biden for VP or not throwing Wright under the bus ASAP.
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