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Cogito
United States453 Posts
On May 01 2008 01:07 Orome wrote: You know, there's a certain difference between feeling attracted to something and deciding it's ok to rape it. Of course, which is why most of us don't do it. I was just suggesting it might be a proximate reason as to why it is still prevalent in a "developed" society. Of course, the ultimate reason is still basic human nature. | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
When I was in 2nd grade... I saw my first nudie magazine??? Kids these days. | ||
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mnm
United States4493 Posts
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dinmsab
Malaysia2246 Posts
This is fucked up.. elementary school? seriously they should get back to playing harmless SC. | ||
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Cogito
United States453 Posts
On May 01 2008 01:19 pooper-scooper wrote: While I agree that virtual nudity contributes to the problem. And maybe even agree that a woman who is dressed as such is assuming some known risk of rape. However, this does not exonerate the man who decides to rape a woman. He is immoral and repugnant. Just because there is some blame to be spread around doesn't mean that he still isn't wrong. Though I think when you say "blame" you merely mean "cause." Rather than the person who is primarily culpable for the conduct. I am not talking about moral issues of rape at all in my post; merely, the sociological aspects of it (i.e. why does it occur in a developed society, where established laws and education reinforce its deterence?). In an earlier post, I mention that as rational beings, if we were to consider the moral aspects of rape, then almost everyone would agree (even those who commit rape) that it is wrong; but emotions are powerful motivators. But, I do mean "blame" not "cause" because they don't have to wear those types of clothes. But they specifically choose for whatever reason (as someone mentioned before, they may gain pleasure from advertising their good looks). But as you admit, they most likely know their is some risk involved in that. Perhaps it is harsh to say they are totally to blame, but certainly you can say they are partly to blame. edit - Hopefully that is clear, because I really do not want to give the wrong impression to this sensitive issue. If you still don't get it, let me make it absolutely clear: In NO way is rape right. Period. | ||
KwarK
United States42682 Posts
On May 01 2008 01:28 Cogito wrote: I am not talking about moral issues of rape at all in my post; merely, the sociological aspects of it. If you read my earlier post, I mention that as rational beings, if we were to consider the moral aspects of rape, then almost everyone would agree (even those who commit rape) that it is wrong; but emotions are powerful motivators. But, I do mean "blame" not "cause" because they don't have to wear those types of clothes. But they specifically choose for whatever reason (as someone mentioned before, they might feel good about themselves, and want others to know). But there is risk involved in that. So maybe its harsh to say they are totally to blame, but certainly you can say they are partly to blame. edit - Hopefully that is clear, because I really do not want to give the wrong impression to this sensitive issue. If you still don't get it, let me make it absolutely clear: In NO way is rape right. Period. Even so, I must disagree. Rape is always caused by one party choosing to force themself on the other. Actions on the victims part may make them more likely to be raped, such as walking home alone after dark, but the full responsibility for causing is always the rapists. | ||
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GoogleIt
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pooper-scooper
United States3108 Posts
On May 01 2008 01:43 GoogleIt wrote: holy shit! my sister just went to korea! Tell her to watch out for the short school boys! | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome32274 Posts
On May 01 2008 01:43 GoogleIt wrote: holy shit! my sister just went to korea! hahah | ||
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Pepsicolaone
United States967 Posts
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zachmorris
United States106 Posts
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Pepsicolaone
United States967 Posts
On May 01 2008 02:10 zachmorris wrote: I think the connection can be made between these rapes and tasteless moving to korea. There must be something to this. Im kinda seeing the connectiong also | ||
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Cogito
United States453 Posts
On May 01 2008 01:43 Kwark wrote: Even so, I must disagree. Rape is always caused by one party choosing to force themself on the other. Actions on the victims part may make them more likely to be raped, such as walking home alone after dark, but the full responsibility for causing is always the rapists. I see your point, and still disagree, but I am not going to try to get you to change your viewpoint, because your view is just as valid as mine. Morality is not absolute, its often a matter of personal opinion, with no opinion being greater than the other; only perhaps more popular. For me personally, the only way to keep sane in this insane world, is to make concessions for our weak and flawed nature. I know a lot of "good" people who others that didn't know them as well might view as criminals because they have such a cold exterior and the superficial "look" of a criminal. But really it is just a mask for deep insecurities they hold from the majority of bad experiences they have had in the past. And once you been judged as a "criminal", nobody ever sees a potentially good person in there. Its completely their fault, and the victim is blameless. Lock him in a cell, and throw away the key. And yet often times those people have never been given a chance from birth to death, to prove themselves because their parents were dead-beats, they grew up in a ghetto, their friends are no better than they are, police, teachers, and other authority figures in society that can make a positive difference don't, etc. I know there are exceptional people who have gone through those hard times, and still managed to be "good" citizens, but they are exceptions, I am talking about the majority, as it often applies to morality. If you've read all this, I am not looking for a moral debate. If I've offended you, sorry, I absolutely didn't mean too. I just wanted to express my feelings, since this thread seem to have brought them out. If you really have strong opinions about what I wrote, PM me, because its seems like I am hijacking this thread, with this babble. | ||
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BaeZZi
Korea (North)116 Posts
you know what ? Japanese data is not to be trusted because Japanese teenagers never report the raping incident to the police. the seventh U.N. survey of crime trends and operations of criminal justice systems: - Burglaries (per capita) (most recent) by country: #1 Australia: 21.7454 per 1,000 people #2 Dominica: 18.7892 per 1,000 people . . . #17 United States: 7.09996 per 1,000 people #18 France: 6.11634 per 1,000 people . . #29 Japan: 2.3269 per 1,000 people . . . #51 Korea, South: 0.0622315 per 1,000 people _ - Assaults (per capita) (most recent) by country: #1 South Africa: 12.0752 per 1,000 people #2 Montserrat: 10.2773 per 1,000 people . . #10 Australia: 7.02459 per 1,000 people . . . [#43 Japan: 0.339272 per 1,000 people . [#46 Korea, South: 0.30684 per 1,000 people . . #57 Azerbaijan: 0.0252781 per 1,000 people _ - Car thefts (per capita) (most recent) by country #1 Australia: 6.92354 per 1,000 people . . #9 United States: 3.8795 per 1,000 people . #14 Japan: 2.43012 per 1,000 people . . #29 Germany: 1.00767 per 1,000 people . . . #55 Azerbaijan: 0.0135238 per 1,000 people _ - Executions (per capita) (most recent) by country #1 Bahamas, The: 6.62712 executions per 1 million #2 Singapore: 6.32625 executions per 1 million . . #10 Taiwan: 1.39775 executions per 1 million . #14 China: 0.816802 executions per 1 million . . #20 United States: 0.229936 executions per 1 million . #25 Japan: 0.0470895 executions per 1 million . . #33 Uzbekistan: 0 executions per 1 million _ - Jails (per capita) (most recent) by country #1 Maldives: 2.21996 per 1,000 people . #4 Hong Kong: 1.53544 per 1,000 people #5 Malaysia: 1.09773 per 1,000 people . . . #22 United States: 0.00526825 per 1,000 people . #26 Australia: 0.00487805 per 1,000 people #27 New Zealand: 0.0047088 per 1,000 people . . . #55 Japan: 0.00142838 per 1,000 people . #61 Korea, South: 0.000616764 per 1,000 people #62 Kazakhstan: 0.00019755 per 1,000 people _ #64 Azerbaijan: 0.00379171 per 1,000 people #65 Saudi Arabia: 0.00329321 per 1,000 people _ Source: Seventh United Nations Survey of Crime Trends and Operations of Criminal Justice Systems, covering the period 1998 - 2000 (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention) http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_vic-crime-rape-victims | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
mnm, as Haji says, it is likely that the Japanese values are under-reported, even today the kind of guilt mentality seems particularly prevailant within the Japanese society. Haji, do you have any more sources? The second one doesn't explain the spike during the 2001~2002 reports, though it was an interesting read. Anyhow, directly in regards to the thread, like Haji, I was first most surprised by the insanely low rates in Japan and came to the same conclusion as Haji upon some consideration - a reporting bias within the sample due to the culture in question. I also agree that in many ways it is as disturbing, if more, than the high rates of Korea. The second thing that came to my attention is the sudden peak that the Korean rate reaches from 2001 to 2002. Was there some legislative change during that time concerning the question of rape? Baezzi, Haji pointed that out in his post. Also, the data was supposed be from the Korean agency for investigations (They took the datas from each of the primary policing headquarters, it seems), further interpreted by what looks like a Korean professor in Japan. It isn't a sample bias because it is Japanese, but a reporting bias, like I said, can still be true. | ||
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GeneralStan
United States4789 Posts
On May 01 2008 01:24 mnm wrote: how can japans rape stats be so low? considering all the media they put out to their audience.. exploring it through fantasy could serve as a release, rather than an instigator | ||
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BaeZZi
Korea (North)116 Posts
Look asian porno samples around youtube. Asian Porno vods were mostly Japanese's Once more, only South Korean governement has "Ministry of Gender Equality" in any of asian countries. | ||
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
On May 01 2008 01:24 mnm wrote: how can japans rape stats be so low? considering all the media they put out to their audience.. I heard people claim that's the exact reason it's low. | ||
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StRyKeR
United States1739 Posts
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
Also, the data that you cited is missing...rape, which the statistical abstract in question has. I can pull up the data if you want, though from the 2006 edition since the 2007 link seems to be down. Ah, yes, as someone who has lived in Korea, can you tell us anything about what happened during 2001~2002 to attribute to the sharp increase that we saw in the data curve? | ||
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