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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
Sexual crimes including rape has been on a sharp rise in korea in recent years. Perhaps the most shocking of them all surfaced today, where it was discovered that elementary school boys in the Southeastern city of Daegu had been group raping underclassmen girls on a daily basis.
It was reported that the boys copied lewd scenes from cable TV and the internet. The total number of criminals and victims combined is estimated to be between 50 and 100 kids!
Source
http://dailynews.yahoo.co.jp/fc/world/korea_south/?1209555492
(sry I can't find an english source)
Additional Data
A study reports that the rate of rape incidents in Korea among those aged between 10-19 is 2x that of USA and 10x that of Japan. For every 100,000 people, a teenage rape incident occurred 11.5 times in Korea, 6.0 times in USA, 1.1 times in Japan (2005'ish data).
http://www.chosunonline.com/article/20070417000045
What to make of this?
Well the first part is unequivocally fucked up, and hopefully the country will try to remedy this situation which has clearly gotten out of hand (not just in this isolated case, but in general as well).
I'm actually not sure what to make of the 2nd part - ie the data. Yes, the reported rates of teenaged rape cases is really quite high. But the very fact that these cases are being reported and are public elucidates the problem and allows politicians and society as a whole to try to fix what is going wrong.
For me personally, I am worried about what the rather low ratio of Japan:Korea rape rates really means. It's difficult to imagine that these countries with such similar societal norms and ideals would have such a disparity in these numbers - leading me to believe that the incidents in Japan are grossly underreported, as they have historically always been. After all, Japan is a country where traditionally the rapee was more guilty and to be shamed than the rapist himself. To come out and publicize being raped was synonymous to public humiliation and social suicide for the woman, whereas the man would frequently be exonerated with only light punishment, if any (yes it's quite fucked up). I do believe and hope that this trend is not nearly severe as it once was, since the country has seemingly progressed socially... at least on the surface.
So this news is really disturbing... but hopefully it can serve as a catalyst for 'fixing' some of the Korean youth attitudes and behavior that have developed recently. Because hey, at least these incidents aren't being shoved under the rug and being concealed from public scrutiny.
edit: I hope it is clear that I am not trying to bash Korea in this post or anything of that form. If anything I'd like to hear from our korean amigos how public this stuff is in korea, how it's perceived, whether pple are trying to do something about it, etc.
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well that sucks
my penpal was telling me about how there was a rapist on the news too.
and then i read this..
those fucking kids eh.. =\ i was horny back then but never thought of rape;
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Wow. I didn't think rape would be so high in Korea. =O This is very sad.
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Ha i always knew rape was high in Korea.
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Jesus, news is depressing these days...
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
lol the japanese kanji for america is funny haha 米 RICE COUNTRY lol
anyway i never knew so much teenage rape in korea wtf O_O
not even teen .. 10-19 wtf -____-;
gg
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On May 01 2008 00:16 JudgeMathis wrote:
Wow. I didn't think rape would be so high in Korea. =O This is very sad.
On May 01 2008 00:19 FreeZEternal wrote:
Ha i always knew rape was high in Korea.
somehow these two posts combined made me laugh
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That is ridiculously high O_O;; Is there anything in Korean culture that might explain this?
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Braavos36375 Posts
On May 01 2008 00:27 d.arkive wrote:
That is ridiculously high O_O;; Is there anything in Korean culture that might explain this?
imbalanced maps = more rape
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
I was expecting pictures
this thread disappoints me.
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Why would this sort of thing be only a problem in Korea? Isn't it human nature for a man to desire a women, often one he cannot have? Don't be so quick to jump on the media bandwagon, I am sure this has been a major problem for quite some time and really no human population in this world is in someway less susceptible.
I bet this sort of thing is even normal to some primitive cultures (e.g. rural parts of India and Africa), because like I said, its human nature. Of course on a rational level, every person will admit its wrong (probably even the victimizers) but emotions are powerful motivators.
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im in ur korea
rapin ur teenage girlz
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On May 01 2008 00:27 d.arkive wrote:
That is ridiculously high O_O;; Is there anything in Korean culture that might explain this?
study study study, home, study study study
a lot of gender divided schools.
you're on the 3rd floor, girls in skirts on the 2nd floor. its a fucking tease.
anyone here who has ever worked factory jobs.. know that 9-5, when you're doing the same shit over and over, you're thinking about fucking sex that even the average secretary office girl looks FUCKING HOT to you.
or its the same theory about private school girls in n.a. they are so far away from boys that when they have the chance, they just go cock crazy
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On May 01 2008 00:33 Hollow wrote:
im in ur korea
rapin ur teenage girlz
+ [insert random cat picture]
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On May 01 2008 00:29 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2008 00:27 d.arkive wrote:
That is ridiculously high O_O;; Is there anything in Korean culture that might explain this?
imbalanced maps = more rape
You're a real funny guy :D
I really had no idea it'd be so high there. Is that chart accurate?
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On May 01 2008 00:38 jjun212 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2008 00:27 d.arkive wrote:
That is ridiculously high O_O;; Is there anything in Korean culture that might explain this?
study study study, home, study study study a lot of gender divided schools. you're on the 3rd floor, girls in skirts on the 2nd floor. its a fucking tease. anyone here who has ever worked factory jobs.. know that 9-5, when you're doing the same shit over and over, you're thinking about fucking sex that even the average secretary office girl looks FUCKING HOT to you. or its the same theory about private school girls in n.a. they are so far away from boys that when they have the chance, they just go cock crazy
Seriously. I know this may seem harsh but I blame girls who dress scantily (especially in our society). It absolutely drives us nuts when you see then on the streets, on TV, in movies, etc. Even if you have a girlfriend, unless she is fine as fuck and gives you sweet loving every night (or maybe even twice a day, if you need it), you cannot help but be attracted to them (physically speaking). If girls in our society were to go to the Middle East or Africa in their clothing, I don't think anyone would pity them if they got raped.
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You know, there's a certain difference between feeling attracted to something and deciding it's ok to rape it.
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there should be a world news forum lol theres like 10 of these every day.
fuck half of the threads are news in the general section.
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United States42656 Posts
On May 01 2008 00:57 Cogito wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2008 00:38 jjun212 wrote:On May 01 2008 00:27 d.arkive wrote:
That is ridiculously high O_O;; Is there anything in Korean culture that might explain this?
study study study, home, study study study a lot of gender divided schools. you're on the 3rd floor, girls in skirts on the 2nd floor. its a fucking tease. anyone here who has ever worked factory jobs.. know that 9-5, when you're doing the same shit over and over, you're thinking about fucking sex that even the average secretary office girl looks FUCKING HOT to you. or its the same theory about private school girls in n.a. they are so far away from boys that when they have the chance, they just go cock crazy Seriously. I know this may seem harsh but I blame girls who dress scantily (especially in our society). It absolutely drives us nuts when you see then on the streets, on TV, in movies, etc. Even if you have a girlfriend, unless she is fine as fuck and gives you sweet loving every night (or maybe even twice a day, if you need it), you cannot help but be attracted to them (physically speaking). If girls in our society were to go to the Middle East or Africa in their clothing, I don't think anyone would pity them if they got raped.
Absolutely ridiculous. Let's reverse it, say you go to the gym and work out because you want to look good. Does that give fat chicks you'd never look twice at permission to gang rape you? People want to feel attractive and being attracted to them is absolutely no excuse for rape. Yes, you see hot girls wearing short skirts and you get horny. And then you go up to them, give a lame line, get rejected, mutter "bitch" as you walk away and jack off fantasising over them later. That's how it works. At no point in that do you rape someone.
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On May 01 2008 00:57 Cogito wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2008 00:38 jjun212 wrote:On May 01 2008 00:27 d.arkive wrote:
That is ridiculously high O_O;; Is there anything in Korean culture that might explain this?
study study study, home, study study study a lot of gender divided schools. you're on the 3rd floor, girls in skirts on the 2nd floor. its a fucking tease. anyone here who has ever worked factory jobs.. know that 9-5, when you're doing the same shit over and over, you're thinking about fucking sex that even the average secretary office girl looks FUCKING HOT to you. or its the same theory about private school girls in n.a. they are so far away from boys that when they have the chance, they just go cock crazy Seriously. I know this may seem harsh but I blame girls who dress scantily (especially in our society). It absolutely drives us nuts when you see then on the streets, on TV, in movies, etc. Even if you have a girlfriend, unless she is fine as fuck and gives you sweet loving every night (or maybe even twice a day, if you need it), you cannot help but be attracted to them (physically speaking). If girls in our society were to go to the Middle East or Africa in their clothing, I don't think anyone would pity them if they got raped.
While I agree that virtual nudity contributes to the problem. And maybe even agree that a woman who is dressed as such is assuming some known risk of rape.
However, this does not exonerate the man who decides to rape a woman. He is immoral and repugnant. Just because there is some blame to be spread around doesn't mean that he still isn't wrong.
Though I think when you say "blame" you merely mean "cause." Rather than the person who is primarily culpable for the conduct.
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On May 01 2008 01:07 Orome wrote:
You know, there's a certain difference between feeling attracted to something and deciding it's ok to rape it.
Of course, which is why most of us don't do it. I was just suggesting it might be a proximate reason as to why it is still prevalent in a "developed" society. Of course, the ultimate reason is still basic human nature.
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Really?? Elementary school kids??? ??? Really???
When I was in 2nd grade... I saw my first nudie magazine??? Kids these days.
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how can japans rape stats be so low? considering all the media they put out to their audience..
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"Perhaps the most shocking of them all surfaced today, where it was discovered that elementary school boys in the Southeastern city of Daegu had been group raping underclassmen girls on a daily basis."
This is fucked up.. elementary school? seriously they should get back to playing harmless SC.
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On May 01 2008 01:19 pooper-scooper wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2008 00:57 Cogito wrote:On May 01 2008 00:38 jjun212 wrote:On May 01 2008 00:27 d.arkive wrote:
That is ridiculously high O_O;; Is there anything in Korean culture that might explain this?
study study study, home, study study study a lot of gender divided schools. you're on the 3rd floor, girls in skirts on the 2nd floor. its a fucking tease. anyone here who has ever worked factory jobs.. know that 9-5, when you're doing the same shit over and over, you're thinking about fucking sex that even the average secretary office girl looks FUCKING HOT to you. or its the same theory about private school girls in n.a. they are so far away from boys that when they have the chance, they just go cock crazy Seriously. I know this may seem harsh but I blame girls who dress scantily (especially in our society). It absolutely drives us nuts when you see then on the streets, on TV, in movies, etc. Even if you have a girlfriend, unless she is fine as fuck and gives you sweet loving every night (or maybe even twice a day, if you need it), you cannot help but be attracted to them (physically speaking). If girls in our society were to go to the Middle East or Africa in their clothing, I don't think anyone would pity them if they got raped. While I agree that virtual nudity contributes to the problem. And maybe even agree that a woman who is dressed as such is assuming some known risk of rape. However, this does not exonerate the man who decides to rape a woman. He is immoral and repugnant. Just because there is some blame to be spread around doesn't mean that he still isn't wrong. Though I think when you say "blame" you merely mean "cause." Rather than the person who is primarily culpable for the conduct.
I am not talking about moral issues of rape at all in my post; merely, the sociological aspects of it (i.e. why does it occur in a developed society, where established laws and education reinforce its deterence?). In an earlier post, I mention that as rational beings, if we were to consider the moral aspects of rape, then almost everyone would agree (even those who commit rape) that it is wrong; but emotions are powerful motivators.
But, I do mean "blame" not "cause" because they don't have to wear those types of clothes. But they specifically choose for whatever reason (as someone mentioned before, they may gain pleasure from advertising their good looks). But as you admit, they most likely know their is some risk involved in that. Perhaps it is harsh to say they are totally to blame, but certainly you can say they are partly to blame.
edit - Hopefully that is clear, because I really do not want to give the wrong impression to this sensitive issue. If you still don't get it, let me make it absolutely clear: In NO way is rape right. Period.
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United States42656 Posts
On May 01 2008 01:28 Cogito wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2008 01:19 pooper-scooper wrote:On May 01 2008 00:57 Cogito wrote:On May 01 2008 00:38 jjun212 wrote:On May 01 2008 00:27 d.arkive wrote:
That is ridiculously high O_O;; Is there anything in Korean culture that might explain this?
study study study, home, study study study a lot of gender divided schools. you're on the 3rd floor, girls in skirts on the 2nd floor. its a fucking tease. anyone here who has ever worked factory jobs.. know that 9-5, when you're doing the same shit over and over, you're thinking about fucking sex that even the average secretary office girl looks FUCKING HOT to you. or its the same theory about private school girls in n.a. they are so far away from boys that when they have the chance, they just go cock crazy Seriously. I know this may seem harsh but I blame girls who dress scantily (especially in our society). It absolutely drives us nuts when you see then on the streets, on TV, in movies, etc. Even if you have a girlfriend, unless she is fine as fuck and gives you sweet loving every night (or maybe even twice a day, if you need it), you cannot help but be attracted to them (physically speaking). If girls in our society were to go to the Middle East or Africa in their clothing, I don't think anyone would pity them if they got raped. While I agree that virtual nudity contributes to the problem. And maybe even agree that a woman who is dressed as such is assuming some known risk of rape. However, this does not exonerate the man who decides to rape a woman. He is immoral and repugnant. Just because there is some blame to be spread around doesn't mean that he still isn't wrong. Though I think when you say "blame" you merely mean "cause." Rather than the person who is primarily culpable for the conduct. I am not talking about moral issues of rape at all in my post; merely, the sociological aspects of it. If you read my earlier post, I mention that as rational beings, if we were to consider the moral aspects of rape, then almost everyone would agree (even those who commit rape) that it is wrong; but emotions are powerful motivators. But, I do mean "blame" not "cause" because they don't have to wear those types of clothes. But they specifically choose for whatever reason (as someone mentioned before, they might feel good about themselves, and want others to know). But there is risk involved in that. So maybe its harsh to say they are totally to blame, but certainly you can say they are partly to blame. edit - Hopefully that is clear, because I really do not want to give the wrong impression to this sensitive issue. If you still don't get it, let me make it absolutely clear: In NO way is rape right. Period.
Even so, I must disagree. Rape is always caused by one party choosing to force themself on the other. Actions on the victims part may make them more likely to be raped, such as walking home alone after dark, but the full responsibility for causing is always the rapists.
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holy shit! my sister just went to korea!
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On May 01 2008 01:43 GoogleIt wrote:
holy shit! my sister just went to korea!
Tell her to watch out for the short school boys!
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is awesome32274 Posts
On May 01 2008 01:43 GoogleIt wrote:
holy shit! my sister just went to korea!
hahah
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This news is SO disturbing. =/
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This is horrible. Tasteless do something!
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On May 01 2008 02:10 zachmorris wrote:
I think the connection can be made between these rapes and tasteless moving to korea. There must be something to this.
Im kinda seeing the connectiong also
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On May 01 2008 01:43 Kwark wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2008 01:28 Cogito wrote:On May 01 2008 01:19 pooper-scooper wrote:On May 01 2008 00:57 Cogito wrote:On May 01 2008 00:38 jjun212 wrote:On May 01 2008 00:27 d.arkive wrote:
That is ridiculously high O_O;; Is there anything in Korean culture that might explain this?
study study study, home, study study study a lot of gender divided schools. you're on the 3rd floor, girls in skirts on the 2nd floor. its a fucking tease. anyone here who has ever worked factory jobs.. know that 9-5, when you're doing the same shit over and over, you're thinking about fucking sex that even the average secretary office girl looks FUCKING HOT to you. or its the same theory about private school girls in n.a. they are so far away from boys that when they have the chance, they just go cock crazy Seriously. I know this may seem harsh but I blame girls who dress scantily (especially in our society). It absolutely drives us nuts when you see then on the streets, on TV, in movies, etc. Even if you have a girlfriend, unless she is fine as fuck and gives you sweet loving every night (or maybe even twice a day, if you need it), you cannot help but be attracted to them (physically speaking). If girls in our society were to go to the Middle East or Africa in their clothing, I don't think anyone would pity them if they got raped. While I agree that virtual nudity contributes to the problem. And maybe even agree that a woman who is dressed as such is assuming some known risk of rape. However, this does not exonerate the man who decides to rape a woman. He is immoral and repugnant. Just because there is some blame to be spread around doesn't mean that he still isn't wrong. Though I think when you say "blame" you merely mean "cause." Rather than the person who is primarily culpable for the conduct. I am not talking about moral issues of rape at all in my post; merely, the sociological aspects of it. If you read my earlier post, I mention that as rational beings, if we were to consider the moral aspects of rape, then almost everyone would agree (even those who commit rape) that it is wrong; but emotions are powerful motivators. But, I do mean "blame" not "cause" because they don't have to wear those types of clothes. But they specifically choose for whatever reason (as someone mentioned before, they might feel good about themselves, and want others to know). But there is risk involved in that. So maybe its harsh to say they are totally to blame, but certainly you can say they are partly to blame. edit - Hopefully that is clear, because I really do not want to give the wrong impression to this sensitive issue. If you still don't get it, let me make it absolutely clear: In NO way is rape right. Period. Even so, I must disagree. Rape is always caused by one party choosing to force themself on the other. Actions on the victims part may make them more likely to be raped, such as walking home alone after dark, but the full responsibility for causing is always the rapists.
I see your point, and still disagree, but I am not going to try to get you to change your viewpoint, because your view is just as valid as mine. Morality is not absolute, its often a matter of personal opinion, with no opinion being greater than the other; only perhaps more popular.
For me personally, the only way to keep sane in this insane world, is to make concessions for our weak and flawed nature. I know a lot of "good" people who others that didn't know them as well might view as criminals because they have such a cold exterior and the superficial "look" of a criminal. But really it is just a mask for deep insecurities they hold from the majority of bad experiences they have had in the past.
And once you been judged as a "criminal", nobody ever sees a potentially good person in there. Its completely their fault, and the victim is blameless. Lock him in a cell, and throw away the key. And yet often times those people have never been given a chance from birth to death, to prove themselves because their parents were dead-beats, they grew up in a ghetto, their friends are no better than they are, police, teachers, and other authority figures in society that can make a positive difference don't, etc. I know there are exceptional people who have gone through those hard times, and still managed to be "good" citizens, but they are exceptions, I am talking about the majority, as it often applies to morality.
If you've read all this, I am not looking for a moral debate. If I've offended you, sorry, I absolutely didn't mean too. I just wanted to express my feelings, since this thread seem to have brought them out. If you really have strong opinions about what I wrote, PM me, because its seems like I am hijacking this thread, with this babble.
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BaeZZi
Korea (North)116 Posts
haji,
you know what ?
Japanese data is not to be trusted because Japanese teenagers never report the raping incident to the police.
the seventh U.N. survey of crime trends and operations of criminal justice systems:
- Burglaries (per capita) (most recent) by country:
#1 Australia: 21.7454 per 1,000 people
#2 Dominica: 18.7892 per 1,000 people
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#17 United States: 7.09996 per 1,000 people
#18 France: 6.11634 per 1,000 people
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#29 Japan: 2.3269 per 1,000 people
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#51 Korea, South: 0.0622315 per 1,000 people
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- Assaults (per capita) (most recent) by country:
#1 South Africa: 12.0752 per 1,000 people
#2 Montserrat: 10.2773 per 1,000 people
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#10 Australia: 7.02459 per 1,000 people
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[#43 Japan: 0.339272 per 1,000 people
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[#46 Korea, South: 0.30684 per 1,000 people
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#57 Azerbaijan: 0.0252781 per 1,000 people
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- Car thefts (per capita) (most recent) by country
#1 Australia: 6.92354 per 1,000 people
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#9 United States: 3.8795 per 1,000 people
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#14 Japan: 2.43012 per 1,000 people
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#29 Germany: 1.00767 per 1,000 people
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#55 Azerbaijan: 0.0135238 per 1,000 people
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- Executions (per capita) (most recent) by country
#1 Bahamas, The: 6.62712 executions per 1 million
#2 Singapore: 6.32625 executions per 1 million
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#10 Taiwan: 1.39775 executions per 1 million
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#14 China: 0.816802 executions per 1 million
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#20 United States: 0.229936 executions per 1 million
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#25 Japan: 0.0470895 executions per 1 million
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#33 Uzbekistan: 0 executions per 1 million
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- Jails (per capita) (most recent) by country
#1 Maldives: 2.21996 per 1,000 people
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#4 Hong Kong: 1.53544 per 1,000 people
#5 Malaysia: 1.09773 per 1,000 people
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#22 United States: 0.00526825 per 1,000 people
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#26 Australia: 0.00487805 per 1,000 people
#27 New Zealand: 0.0047088 per 1,000 people
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#55 Japan: 0.00142838 per 1,000 people
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#61 Korea, South: 0.000616764 per 1,000 people
#62 Kazakhstan: 0.00019755 per 1,000 people
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#64 Azerbaijan: 0.00379171 per 1,000 people
#65 Saudi Arabia: 0.00329321 per 1,000 people
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Source: Seventh United Nations Survey of Crime Trends and Operations of Criminal Justice Systems, covering the period 1998 - 2000 (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention)
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_vic-crime-rape-victims
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Affla, that's just the kanji they used kind of as a reading placeholder, if memory serves it has been around since Perry's visit.
mnm, as Haji says, it is likely that the Japanese values are under-reported, even today the kind of guilt mentality seems particularly prevailant within the Japanese society.
Haji, do you have any more sources? The second one doesn't explain the spike during the 2001~2002 reports, though it was an interesting read.
Anyhow, directly in regards to the thread, like Haji, I was first most surprised by the insanely low rates in Japan and came to the same conclusion as Haji upon some consideration - a reporting bias within the sample due to the culture in question. I also agree that in many ways it is as disturbing, if more, than the high rates of Korea.
The second thing that came to my attention is the sudden peak that the Korean rate reaches from 2001 to 2002. Was there some legislative change during that time concerning the question of rape?
Baezzi, Haji pointed that out in his post. Also, the data was supposed be from the Korean agency for investigations (They took the datas from each of the primary policing headquarters, it seems), further interpreted by what looks like a Korean professor in Japan. It isn't a sample bias because it is Japanese, but a reporting bias, like I said, can still be true.
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On May 01 2008 01:24 mnm wrote:
how can japans rape stats be so low? considering all the media they put out to their audience..
exploring it through fantasy could serve as a release, rather than an instigator
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BaeZZi
Korea (North)116 Posts
You guys children everyday touch a negative influence from Japanese AV Porno. Japanese Porno industry is about a sixty billion.
Look asian porno samples around youtube. Asian Porno vods were mostly Japanese's
Once more, only South Korean governement has "Ministry of Gender Equality" in any of asian countries.
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On May 01 2008 01:24 mnm wrote:
how can japans rape stats be so low? considering all the media they put out to their audience..
I heard people claim that's the exact reason it's low.
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I'm not completely trusting of the source... If I saw it in a Korean / US newspaper I'd trust it more
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Baezzi, don't be so defensive, no one is trying to say that Japan is better than Korea or anything, nor is that Haji's intention. Pointing fingers doesn't lead to good discussion in any way.
Also, the data that you cited is missing...rape, which the statistical abstract in question has. I can pull up the data if you want, though from the 2006 edition since the 2007 link seems to be down.
Ah, yes, as someone who has lived in Korea, can you tell us anything about what happened during 2001~2002 to attribute to the sharp increase that we saw in the data curve?
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that hot , any chance for some picture ?
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On May 01 2008 02:51 Oddysay wrote:
that hot , any chance for some picture ?
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BaeZZi
Korea (North)116 Posts
On May 01 2008 02:44 Ecael wrote:
Baezzi, don't be so defensive, no one is trying to say that Japan is better than Korea or anything, nor is that Haji's intention. Pointing fingers doesn't lead to good discussion in any way.
Also, the data that you cited is missing...rape, which the statistical abstract in question has. I can pull up the data if you want, though from the 2006 edition since the 2007 link seems to be down.
Ah, yes, as someone who has lived in Korea, can you tell us anything about what happened during 2001~2002 to attribute to the sharp increase that we saw in the data curve?
I'm really really disgusting even to hear and see "a forged document" from Japanese newspaper.
Japanese government often collects a fuckin' deal of information faked up from their a right-wing organization that is unnecessary and casts a bone between Japan and Korea, Japan and China, and China and Korea.......
This brings unnecessariness into our focus just like "Boil the eggs up" between the two or more countries.
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Don't hate Japan for nationalistic reasons.
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Elementary School kids.
Their balls aren't even hairy yet. =(
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CA10828 Posts
but then again, the graph you posted up is for all rapes, whereas haji's was for a certain age group
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my view is that the more reports there are, the more transparent and self aware the incident is becoming. Rape, of all sorts, is a fucking complicated issue, and generally not represented. Specially since most incidents happen between relatives.
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[Repeats about the data being rape in general vs. rape of a specific age group] Also to note is the fact that it was a certain category, being unfamilar with the Korean law, I think it is possible that the juvenile part of it can be listed in a separate category.
Well, Baezzi, the indignation is justified of course, but simply venting it like that is rather useless, no? As for the paper, it is the Chosun Ilbu, so perhaps the Japanese branch decides to want to have something senational, who knows, but the idea of them purposely fudging the data feels rather off to me to be honest. As for propaganda, all governments do that, let's not get into a finger pointing game. There might be no weapons of mass destruction after all?
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BaeZZi
Korea (North)116 Posts
I don't hate Japanese people, I just hate Japanese Psycho right-wing organization and Japanese government waves the bloody shirt between us and stires up the Japanese people to anti-Korea, anti-China, and anti-Aus...
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United States22883 Posts
On May 01 2008 00:32 Cogito wrote:
Why would this sort of thing be only a problem in Korea? Isn't it human nature for a man to desire a women, often one he cannot have? Don't be so quick to jump on the media bandwagon, I am sure this has been a major problem for quite some time and really no human population in this world is in someway less susceptible.
I bet this sort of thing is even normal to some primitive cultures (e.g. rural parts of India and Africa), because like I said, its human nature. Of course on a rational level, every person will admit its wrong (probably even the victimizers) but emotions are powerful motivators.
South Korea and Japan are developed, industrial countries. Sub-Saharan Africa is not.
With that said, the East Asian countries have always treated their women like shit. It's really not surprising.
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
On May 01 2008 03:18 BaeZZi wrote:
I don't hate Japanese people, I just hate Japanese Psycho right-wing organization and Japanese government waves the bloody shirt between us and stires up the Japanese people to anti-Korea, anti-China, and anti-Aus...
배찌님, 여기서 이러시면 안됩니다
영어가 부족하셔서 그러는것 같은데
여기 대부분 사람들은 우리 한국을
욕하기 보다는 성폭행에 대해서
이야기를 하고있는건데요
일부러 한국 욕한다 뭐란다 하면서
싸움 붙이지 마세요.
참고로 우리 팀리퀴드는 어느 나라를 욕하는
놈이 있으면 인정사정 없이
바로 아이피 차단 합니다.
(translation: Baezzi, please don't do this. I think you're lack in english may be confusing you. People in this thread are not insulting Korea, but are simply discussing the topic on rape itself. Please don't start fights thinking people are insulting Korea or anything. FYI if anyone bashes on any country we instantly IP ban them.)
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United States22883 Posts
On May 01 2008 01:24 mnm wrote:
how can japans rape stats be so low? considering all the media they put out to their audience..
It's simply not reported. If you walk around any big shopping districts at night in Tokyo/Osaka, you'll see groups of punk ass Japanese men in black suits with their hair dyed blonde. I believe it's some part of organized crime and they go around hassling women and getting them drunk/drugged etc. but I've also heard that they work as male prostitutes as well or get paid for it or something. o.o
I know most of that seems like speculation, but I do know that they go around harassing women and they are part of some larger group.
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United States22883 Posts
Baezzi does have a point. Not only are Japanese newspapers completely incompetent, but there are still issues between the two countries that would lead to biased data/reporting.
At least China's media has the excuse of being coerced by the government. Japanese media are like puppy dogs who love their owner.
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BaeZZi
Korea (North)116 Posts
Why can't we trust Japanese media for a crime data ?
Can I tell you guys a funny story for it ?
1 year ago Japanese TV media showed us "(孔子) Confucius" came from Korea and Korean...lol
Most of Korean people knew (孔子) Confucius was a chinese scholar, but Japanese TV show only focused on "a few crazy Koreans" who believe (孔子) Confucius could be a Korean scholar.
And then, that faked story made frantic to a lot of chinese people and made more anti-Korean in China.
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BaeZZi
Korea (North)116 Posts
아이피 차단시켜도 상관없슴..
(I'm ok my ip got blocked off)
나한테 지금 협박 하는거요 ?
You threaten me to be blocked off ?
오히려 대환영.......
내가 지금 일본인들 욕했수 ??? 일본 우익들의 날조된 기사를 욕했지..
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you guys that are defending the male society by saying it's the girl's fault for dressing "provocative" are fucking retards
nothing justifies rape, end of discussion. the ones that rape are usually the low-lifes who lack the self confidence to gain sexual intercourse through love and trusting relationships. they're just a burden on our society and the world would be a lot better without them.
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On May 01 2008 03:24 Live2Win wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2008 03:18 BaeZZi wrote:
I don't hate Japanese people, I just hate Japanese Psycho right-wing organization and Japanese government waves the bloody shirt between us and stires up the Japanese people to anti-Korea, anti-China, and anti-Aus...
배찌님, 여기서 이러시면 안됩니다 영어가 부족하셔서 그러는것 같은데 여기 대부분 사람들은 우리 한국을 욕하기 보다는 성폭행에 대해서 이야기를 하고있는건데요 일부러 한국 욕한다 뭐란다 하면서 싸움 붙이지 마세요. 참고로 우리 팀리퀴드는 어느 나라를 욕하는 놈이 있으면 인정사정 없이 바로 아이피 차단 합니다. (translation: Baezzi, please don't do this. I think you're lack in english may be confusing you. People in this thread are not insulting Korea, but are simply discussing the topic on rape itself. Please don't start fights thinking people are insulting Korea or anything. FYI if anyone bashes on any country we instantly IP ban them.)
and yet there are multple threads bashing on china...
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United States22883 Posts
On May 01 2008 03:36 iLjh wrote:
nothing justifies rape, end of discussion. the ones that rape are usually the low-lifes who lack the self confidence to gain sexual intercourse through love and trusting relationships.
I think most Western data points away from this conclusion. They're obviously low lifes, etc. but they're not antisocial rejects or anything.
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
On May 01 2008 03:33 BaeZZi wrote:
아이피 차단시켜도 상관없슴..
(I'm ok my ip got blocked off)
나한테 지금 협박 하는거요 ?
You threaten me to be blocked off ?
오히려 대환영.......
내가 지금 일본인들 욕했수 ??? 일본 우익들의 날조된 기사를 욕했지..
-.- I can't believe he misunderstood the Korean part.
PM'd
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BaeZZi
Korea (North)116 Posts
배찌님, 여기서 이러시면 안됩니다
영어가 부족하셔서 그러는것 같은데
여기 대부분 사람들은 우리 한국을
욕하기 보다는 성폭행에 대해서
이야기를 하고있는건데요
일부러 한국 욕한다 뭐란다 하면서
싸움 붙이지 마세요.
참고로 우리 팀리퀴드는 어느 나라를 욕하는
놈이 있으면 인정사정 없이
바로 아이피 차단 합니다.
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한국말이나 공부하세요.
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The Japanese graph doesn't even matter. They were discussing the Korean data. Just leave out the Japanese one can compare. Also, that strange spike.
If you want to question the data, fine. But you suggest it's fake or manipulated because of the silly Japan vs Korea vs China stuff. I get so sick of that. If asian people don't grow up, why should their politicians?
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
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BaeZZi
Korea (North)116 Posts
On May 01 2008 03:55 Live2Win wrote:
배찌님, 쪽지 읽어주삼
님이 쓴 한국어 자세히 보시기 바람.
즉, "일부러 한국 욕한다 뭐란다 하면서 싸움 붙이지 마세요. 우리 팀리퀴드는 어느 나라를 욕하는 놈이 있으면 인정사정 없이 바로 아이피 차단 합니다".
-> 나한테 협박으로 들리는데 ?? 가차없이 아이피 차단을 한다는 소리아뇨 ?
아이피를 차단하던지 말던지 난 상관없고, 다만 일본의 우익 언론들의 날조를 비방하고 포르노 산업이 크다고만 말했지, 구체적으로 평범한 일본인들 욕하거나 비방한 적 이 없수다.
내가 평범한 일본인들 비방했수 ?? 하지님이 말한거 덧붙여서 일본 우익들 날조 반론한 것 뿐인데 ??
난 당신한테 욕먹을 짓거리 했다고 생각하지 않수. 다만, 내 의견을 제시했을 뿐이지..그리고 내 유투브 계정에 anti-Japan 동영상 있는거 봤수 ?? 설령 내가 부정적인 의견일 제시했더라도, 당신이 나한테 협박하면 안되지..
최종적으로 말하자면, 영어는 내 모국어가 아니기 때문에 다소 의미전달이 틀릴 수도 있다해도, 당신처럼 사람들 보는 앞에서 "내 영어 실력이 미비하다고 공개적으로 쪽박을 주는 당신의 인격이야 말로 한탄하기 그지없수.
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On May 01 2008 00:16 JudgeMathis wrote:
Wow. I didn't think rape would be so high in Korea. =O This is very sad.
just because they contain your favourite video game, dont mean they are a perfect society :p
thats imo.
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
On May 01 2008 04:02 BaeZZi wrote:님이 쓴 한국어 자세히 보시기 바람. 즉, "일부러 한국 욕한다 뭐란다 하면서 싸움 붙이지 마세요. 우리 팀리퀴드는 어느 나라를 욕하는 놈이 있으면 인정사정 없이 바로 아이피 차단 합니다". -> 나한테 협박으로 들리는데 ?? 가차없이 아이피 차단을 한다는 소리아뇨 ? 아이피를 차단하던지 말던지 난 상관없고, 다만 일본의 우익 언론들의 날조를 비방하고 포르노 산업이 크다고만 말했지, 구체적으로 평범한 일본인들 욕하거나 비방한 적 이 없수다. 내가 평범한 일본인들 비방했수 ?? 하지님이 말한거 덧붙여서 일본 우익들 날조 반론한 것 뿐인데 ?? 난 당신한테 욕먹을 짓거리 했다고 생각하지 않수. 다만, 내 의견을 제시했을 뿐이지..
배찌님, 쪽지를 않읽으신것 같은데, 여기에 복사하겠습니다.
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배찌님, 오해를 하시는것 같아서 메세지를 보내는 겁니다.
일단 첫번째는 아이피 차단 말인데요.
배찌님을 차단 한다는게 아니라
일부로 한국이나 어느나라, 종교 또는 인종차별 하는
놈들을 차단 한다는 것입니다.
두번째는 "Rape in Korea" 포럼기사 말인대요
"thedeadhaji"님은 한국을 욕하는것이 아니라
어째서 한국과 비슷한 생활을 하는 일본의 데이타는
이렇게 나오는것인가 입니다.
그는 "이 데이타는 분명히 오류가 있다" 라며
일본은 옛날부터 거짓 데이타를 내놨다면서
오해려 베찌님과 같은 말을 하는것입니다.
오해가 없으시길 바랍니다.
마지막으로, 배찌님의 끝없는 동영상올리기에
우리 팀리퀴드는 항상감사하는 마음으로 있습니다.
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제 한글이 서툰편이라 미리 양해를 구합니다.
또한 배찌님을 협박하려는 것이 아닙니다.
다시 말하자면, 만약 하지님이 한국을 욕하는 글을
올리셨으면 제가 바로 닫았을 거란 말입니다.
오해마시기 바랍니다.
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BaeZZi
Korea (North)116 Posts
당신의 영어실력도, 영어 원어민이 보더라도 미숙 할거라 느낄거요.
난 이런 푸대접을 받을바에, 차라리 팀리퀴드 탈퇴하겠소.
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Baezzi, I don't think Live2Win was trying to insult you. It seems like he was trying to reach an understanding. 
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
최종적으로 말하자면, 영어는 내 모국어가 아니기 때문에 다소 의미전달이 틀릴 수도 있다해도, 당신처럼 사람들 보는 앞에서 "내 영어 실력이 미비하다고 공개적으로 쪽박을 주는 당신의 인격이야 말로 한탄하기 그지없수.
배찌님의 영어 실력이 미비하다고 쪽박하는게 아니라
하지님을 오해하시는것 같아서 설명해주려고 하는건데요
제 한글이 워낙 서툴러서 오히려 오해를 더하는것 같네요;;
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guys would you mind posting in english
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CA10828 Posts
On May 01 2008 04:22 RtS)Night[Mare wrote:
guys would you mind posting in english
there's a reason why they're posting korean
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lol... I find this ridiculous.
Live2win, you are an angel.
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
On May 01 2008 04:16 BaeZZi wrote:
당신의 영어실력도, 영어 원어민이 보더라도 미숙 할거라 느낄거요.
난 이런 푸대접을 받을바에, 차라리 팀리퀴드 탈퇴하겠소.
음.... 미국에서 15년을 살아서 제 영어는 별로 고민이 없고요,
제 한글은 초등학생 수준이라 문제가 많지만....
근대 제 영어나 한글이나 문제가 아니구요...
문제는 배찌님을 오해하시는것 같아서
풀어주시려고 말을 걸어본건데
어떻게 상황이 더 나빠지네요 ㅡㅡ;;
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
On May 01 2008 04:24 SuperJongMan wrote:
lol... I find this ridiculous.
Live2win, you are an angel.
yes well 3+ years as a ladder admin teaches you a bit of restraint
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And yet everyone goes berserk when they see "sex sex pussy hair" on national TV.
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BaeZZi
Korea (North)116 Posts
아.....답답해..
내가 인종차별적인 발언을 했나 ??
다만 하지님의 의견에 덧붙여서 그들의 우익은 그러해서 그렇게 이루어진다 라고 쓴것 뿐인데...
관둡시다..
서로 눈을 붉히고 싸워봤자 서로간의 이익이 없을테니..
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
nationalist logick pops up at the most hilarious places.
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
On May 01 2008 04:30 BaeZZi wrote:
아.....답답해..
내가 인종차별적인 발언을 했나 ??
다만 하지님의 의견에 덧붙여서 그들의 우익은 그러해서 그렇게 이루어진다 라고 쓴것 뿐인데...
관둡시다..
서로 눈을 붉히고 싸워봤자 서로간의 이익이 없을테니..
배찌님
제가 언제 님이 인종차별했다고 했습니까?
제가 언제 님이 잘못했다고 했습니까?
도저히 어떻게 그렇게 읽으셨는지
이해가 않가네요... 제 한글이 나쁘다는것은 알지만
그정도까지 오해하실정도는 아닌것 같은데...
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CA10828 Posts
this is really ridiculous lol
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BaeZZi
Korea (North)116 Posts
말 걸지 말라고요..
그만 하자고 했으면 그만 합시다.
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On May 01 2008 00:16 jjun212 wrote:
well that sucks
my penpal was telling me about how there was a rapist on the news too.
and then i read this..
those fucking kids eh.. =\ i was horny back then but never thought of rape;
Me too...to rape someone is just wow
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
ok Baezzi wants to stop arguing, so out of respect (of what's left there) I will drop the subject.
But LosingID and SJM, is my Korean really THAT bad? Is there a reason why he would mis-interpret it that badly?
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BaeZZi
Korea (North)116 Posts
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On May 01 2008 00:29 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2008 00:27 d.arkive wrote:
That is ridiculously high O_O;; Is there anything in Korean culture that might explain this?
imbalanced maps = more rape
that is DISTASTEFUL! sir hit_bid.
apologize to kora NAO
+ Show Spoiler +
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CA10828 Posts
On May 01 2008 04:39 Live2Win wrote:
ok Baezzi wants to stop arguing, so out of respect (of what's left there) I will drop the subject.
But LosingID and SJM, is my Korean really THAT bad? Is there a reason why he would mis-interpret it that badly?
i personally didn't think so, but i can sort of see why he would think that way.
you started off saying that "배찌님, 여기서 이러시면 안됩니다" and then later in that same post you say "우리 팀리퀴드는 어느 나라를 욕하는 놈이 있으면 인정사정 없이 바로 아이피 차단 합니다."
i mean, i know that you weren't referring to baezzi at all by that 2nd part, but i guess in the context of the situation i can see how it can be read that way.
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Not really. I used a translator and still managed to understand what you were saying.
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
On May 01 2008 04:43 LosingID8 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2008 04:39 Live2Win wrote:
ok Baezzi wants to stop arguing, so out of respect (of what's left there) I will drop the subject.
But LosingID and SJM, is my Korean really THAT bad? Is there a reason why he would mis-interpret it that badly? i personally didn't think so, but i can sort of see why he would think that way. you started off saying that "배찌님, 여기서 이러시면 안됩니다" and then later in that same post you say "우리 팀리퀴드는 어느 나라를 욕하는 놈이 있으면 인정사정 없이 바로 아이피 차단 합니다." i mean, i know that you weren't referring to baezzi at all by that 2nd part, but i guess in the context of the situation i can see how it can be read that way.
yea I can see how that could happen.
But wasn't my explanation afterwards clear enough to say that, that's NOT what I meant?
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제가 당신들의 쓰기를 다 이해할수있으면 좋겠어요. ^^
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i wonder why don't they continue this on PM's since 95% of TL can't read the discussion going on.
Anyway, i find funny that the only words that remain there are "anti-japan" and "rape in korea".
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CA10828 Posts
On May 01 2008 04:44 Live2Win wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2008 04:43 LosingID8 wrote:On May 01 2008 04:39 Live2Win wrote:
ok Baezzi wants to stop arguing, so out of respect (of what's left there) I will drop the subject.
But LosingID and SJM, is my Korean really THAT bad? Is there a reason why he would mis-interpret it that badly? i personally didn't think so, but i can sort of see why he would think that way. you started off saying that "배찌님, 여기서 이러시면 안됩니다" and then later in that same post you say "우리 팀리퀴드는 어느 나라를 욕하는 놈이 있으면 인정사정 없이 바로 아이피 차단 합니다." i mean, i know that you weren't referring to baezzi at all by that 2nd part, but i guess in the context of the situation i can see how it can be read that way. yea I can see how that could happen. But wasn't my explanation afterwards clear enough to say that, that's NOT what I meant?
i thought your explanation was overly clear lol
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BaeZZi
Korea (North)116 Posts
On May 01 2008 04:43 LosingID8 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2008 04:39 Live2Win wrote:
ok Baezzi wants to stop arguing, so out of respect (of what's left there) I will drop the subject.
But LosingID and SJM, is my Korean really THAT bad? Is there a reason why he would mis-interpret it that badly? i personally didn't think so, but i can sort of see why he would think that way. you started off saying that "배찌님, 여기서 이러시면 안됩니다" and then later in that same post you say "우리 팀리퀴드는 어느 나라를 욕하는 놈이 있으면 인정사정 없이 바로 아이피 차단 합니다." i mean, i know that you weren't referring to baezzi at all by that 2nd part, but i guess in the context of the situation i can see how it can be read that way.
또 한개 있잖수..공개적으로 내 영어가 미비하다고...
미국에 살면 공개적으로 남의 부족함을 떠벌리남???
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Yes, that is how we do in america. =(
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
On May 01 2008 04:45 PePe QuiCoSE wrote:
i wonder why don't they continue this on PM's since 95% of TL can't read the discussion going on.
Anyway, i find funny that the only words that remain there are "anti-japan" and "rape in korea".
I tried that, I'm not sure if he got it.
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elementary school boys
Chivalry is obviously dead. Grouprape is something serious. Blame it all you want on how girls dress and act, if several boys stir each other up until rape becomes something acceptable we as adults have to ask ourselfs some serious questions.
This is not vietnam or some civil war in africa. These kids are not under some mindstretching stress and near a breakdown. Circumstances are different. We used to explain grouprape with certain motives like racism or a gang/war mentality. But what if boys in a "normal" enviroment decide to jump on girls. When they themself can't even describe their motives and they are usualy fully aware to what rape leads to. I think it's important to differentiate and not make the mistake to treat grouprape the same as "one guy rapes one girl".
I'm no psychologist so i have nothing really to say here. But i still find it shocking every time i read about grouprape because i have a hard time to figure out how these kids ended up with something like a grouprape.
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BaeZZi
Korea (North)116 Posts
Live2Win was going to cut my IP off from my internet into "www.teamliquid.net" because of the reason BaeZZi did incite people to a quarrel. But, I didn't put a slur upon anybody !!
It may be that I'm myself a bad apple for teamliquid.net
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BaeZZi
Korea (North)116 Posts
On May 01 2008 04:46 SuperJongMan wrote:
Yes, that is how we do in america. =(
공산주의야 ??? 공개처형하게 ? ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
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Everyone here really respects the work you put into the VODs.I'm sure this will be cleared up.
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On May 01 2008 03:51 BaeZZi wrote:
배찌님, 여기서 이러시면 안됩니다
영어가 부족하셔서 그러는것 같은데
여기 대부분 사람들은 우리 한국을
욕하기 보다는 성폭행에 대해서
이야기를 하고있는건데요
일부러 한국 욕한다 뭐란다 하면서
싸움 붙이지 마세요.
참고로 우리 팀리퀴드는 어느 나라를 욕하는
놈이 있으면 인정사정 없이
바로 아이피 차단 합니다.
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한국말이나 공부하세요.
rofl.
Well it's good that you guys decided to drop it. If you want a 2nd opinion I also think it wasn't your korean that was bad, it's the context and the words you chose. Talking about an IP ban in your opening response doesn't really bode well with someone who gives a lot of time to TL.
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
Live2Win ACTUALLY told BaeZZi that "we at TL don't tolerate discrimnation and that we ban those who do". BaeZZi mis-interprets that as "Live2Win will ban BaeZZi" and gets offended.
Live2Win tries to explain that that is not what he said, but BaeZZi for some reason refuses to listen. Perhaps because my Korean is pretty bad compared to his, but LosingID confirms that Live2Win was pretty clear on that.... yet apparently, BaeZZi STILL think Live2Win was threatening him, when, infact, HE WAS NOT
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
On May 01 2008 04:54 Ack1027 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2008 03:51 BaeZZi wrote:
배찌님, 여기서 이러시면 안됩니다
영어가 부족하셔서 그러는것 같은데
여기 대부분 사람들은 우리 한국을
욕하기 보다는 성폭행에 대해서
이야기를 하고있는건데요
일부러 한국 욕한다 뭐란다 하면서
싸움 붙이지 마세요.
참고로 우리 팀리퀴드는 어느 나라를 욕하는
놈이 있으면 인정사정 없이
바로 아이피 차단 합니다.
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한국말이나 공부하세요. rofl. Well it's good that you guys decided to drop it. If you want a 2nd opinion I also think it wasn't your korean that was bad, it's the context and the words you chose. Talking about an IP ban in your opening response doesn't really bode well with someone who gives a lot of time to TL.
indeed, when he took it that way I knew I used the wrong words.
I just don't understand how he still thinks that's what I meant, when I explained in my later posts what I really meant.
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It's pointless to argue over whether or not Japanese statistics and media are biased. They are. There's no point in arguing over it. Opening any Japanese textbook and looking for "missing" history alone confirms this. The fact that it took up until recently for them to admit any war crimes in China or the Rape of Nanjing etc confirms this as well. Anyways, Japan has a very insulated culture and as Haji said in his opening post, it's likely that a vast majority of rapes are not reported in Japan.
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CA10828 Posts
this thread is a disaster lol
*edit*
but anyway, i sent baezzi a PM so hopefully he reads it ^^
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1. BaeZZi thinks people are attacking Korea through this thread
2. Live2Win tells BaeZZi that people are merely discussing the topic of rape itself, and that anyone who makes personal attacks on a country will be IP Banned (talking about people who attack Korea)
3. BaeZZi thinks Live2Win is talking about him
4. Live2Win explains he wasn't
Pending... BaeZZi is still mad
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
BACK ON TOPIC:
rape is bad
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language barrier FTL!
This is like that commercial where the dude is in a different country trying to speak their language and get slapped by some woman.
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CA10828 Posts
On May 01 2008 05:02 Live2Win wrote:
BACK ON TOPIC:
rape is bad
lol
this topic got seriously derailed
but yeah, i'm sure any sane individual can see that rape is not a good thing
at least overall, instances of rape have been decreasing in korea (or at least, reported cases...)
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BaeZZi
Korea (North)116 Posts
난 솔직히 팀리퀴드 들어와도 그만, 아니어도 그만임. 목메일 필요는 없다는 말씀.
당신 기준으로 볼때, 내가 잘못이 있을 수도 있지만, 한국에서의 생각하는 관점에서 본다면 내 의견의 오류가 있다고 볼수 없슴. 다만, 내 영어가 오류를 범했듯이, 이런 관점에서 본다면 당신 한국어는 마치 미국식 영어로 오류를 범했으니 서로간의 의사 소통이 원활하지 못 할수도 있소.
그리고 대부분 여기 재미 한국인들 간접적인 시각으로 비판해야지, Live2Win의 한국어 실력이 잘못 되었으면 바로 지적하고 그렇게 쓰면 안된다고 비판을 해야지. 제 식구 감싸주기야 ?? 서로 많이 아는 사이라서 ??
눈에는 눈 이에는 이...
경고 !!! 날 비방해도 좋은데, 나의 아이피 차단하는 즉시, 모든 내 스타크래프트 비디오 URL 비공개적으로 설정해 놓을테니..해 봅시다.
요즘은 개나소나 미국에 살면, 자랑스러운가 ???
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'What to make of this?'
well, from the graph alone I would say that people from korea are very willing to tell people about their secrets. Americans are quite open so they probably have group sex instead of rape. Japan people never say anything and just willingly accept the fact that they got fucked, at least thats the impression I get from porn films because the ones I see always consist of some rape scene and in the train/bus.
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i was never horny until 7th grade
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BaeZZi
Korea (North)116 Posts
난 이제부터 탈퇴하고 안들어올테니.
맘대로 하숑
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
wow....
translations:
I don't care if I'm banned. I don't need to come to TL.
You may think I was wrong, but to Koreans there is nothing wrong with what I said. (again, I don't think what he said was wrong, yet he still thinks that). But, as my english may have caused a misunderstanding, so did yours which may have caused a problem in our communication (I agree).
But for those who do speak Korean and read our conversation, you should have fixed Live2Win's grammer right away. You're just protecting your members?? Cuz you know each other?
Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth..
Warning!! You can badmouth me, but if you IP ban me, then all my StarCraft VOD URL will be private... so try it.
Now days everyone's proud of living in the US??
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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
1) I never thought what BaeZZi said about Japan/Korea was wrong.
2) I never threatened to ban BaeZZi... he may have took it that way, but I explained myself afterwards, saying that's not what I meant
3) He threatens to close his YouTube account, yet that director's YouTube account was give to him from US, TEAMLIQUID.
oh the irony....
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jesus christ nothing in this thread is remotely worth pissing off good contributors to teamliquid.
can we just close this thread and have people who speak better korean explain to baezzi privately that he was not being threatened?
PS. by good contributors i mean both l2w and baezzi
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
closed to prevent the matter getting worst
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