Stormgate. The new Starcraft 3?

On May 30 2023 08:49 TMNT wrote:
Still looks better than SC2 for me. I could never have any interest in SC2 because the visuals are just off for me. Everything is kinda small and blended together and I can't distinguish shit in SC2 especially the Zerg. At least here I can see everything clearly.

On May 30 2023 10:26 MineraIs wrote:
Looks like a mobile game.
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On May 30 2023 21:35 Comedy wrote:
It's going to be pretty difficult to be a better game than starcraft 2, and starcraft 2 isnt even the best starcraft game.

On May 30 2023 20:39 pebble444 wrote:
25 years later the “warcraft in space” joke could just become a reality

On May 31 2023 00:24 sas.Sziky wrote:
question: does he have a sponsor? like Blizz,Microsoft ? these this without will be not Sc3

On May 30 2023 22:55 Timebon3s wrote:
How come everything good was made 30 years ago?? Why cant we make better or as good shit as we did in the 90s?? Makes no sense

On May 31 2023 04:04 sophisticated wrote:
3D was a mistake

On June 02 2023 11:31 BLinD-RawR wrote:
thats not stormgate, thats art of war 3 on mobile.

On June 01 2023 16:35 AmericanUmlaut wrote:

Yeah, what a dumb idea for a video game.

On June 04 2023 05:05 Jae Zedong wrote:
AoE 3 and 4 went 3D. AoE 2 from the 90s is still the most popular.

CnC went 3D. The old 2D games from the 90s are still the most popular.

Heroes of Might and Magic went 3D. HoMM3 from the 90s is still the most popular.

Starcraft went 3D. Brood War from the 90s is still the most popular.

Monster studios with exponentially larger budgets than when they started out, and they still can’t best their stuff from the 90’s even when they’re actively trying to stomp it out like with BW.

Some genres just lend themselves really well to 2D isometric.

On June 04 2023 05:05 Jae Zedong wrote:
Starcraft went 3D. Brood War from the 90s is still the most popular.

On June 04 2023 23:17 moonsjde wrote:
the art style is mildly cartoonish, but the wave of people falling over each other to compare it to fortnite and proclaim that they're very big mature boys who want everything to look like a decaying hellscape designed by the heath ledger joker is super funny

On June 05 2023 04:27 Hildegard wrote:
If the ratio of campaign vs 1v1 players is comparable to other RTS titles, then the look and feel of the game plays a major part in its success. SC1/BW and WC3 had pretty decent stories and a unique art style at the time of their creation. SC2 had a weak story but still a great art style and the cutscenes were way above most of the other games, especially in the same genre.

The Stormgate buildings look good enough, and I love that the art makes units stand out from the background and each other. Watching SC2 mirrors on some of the maps that include low saturation filters isn't enjoyable. The building rotation is one of the features I'd wish both Starcraft games would have.

But there is a huge audience that will look at the current design and trailer and decide within a second that this game doesn't look interesting. With just the hardcore 1v1 crowd, Stormgate probably cannot succeed. So, in the interest of the hardcore 1v1 crowd, we should raise the topic of the generic art style until the team comes up with something better. They have the financial backing to overhaul the art at this point.

the art style is mildly cartoonish, but the wave of people falling over each other to compare it to fortnite and proclaim that they're very big mature boys who want everything to look like a decaying hellscape designed by the heath ledger joker is super funny

On June 04 2023 22:30 Highgamer wrote:I hope that it doesn't end up too generic. BW and WC3 were so unique, but I wonder if anything can feel not generic today given how much's already out there(?).

On June 05 2023 17:39 Jae Zedong wrote:


The semi-realistic isometric style of BW is a visual identity that has been virtually unexplored for over 20 years. Releasing a game today following that tradition would be a very bold and fresh move compared to the current style of Stormgate, which has been seen countless times over the last years.

And it wouldn’t have to be a BW clone at all, which I agree would be pointless. Red Alert 2 had a somewhat similar style to BW but played wildly differently. Luring in the retrogamers with a few modern Quality of Life improvements would at least fill a niche in the market space.

As it stands I’m honestly not sure who is supposed to play Stormgate. I don’t think the SC2 crowd will be pulled by a game that looks extremely similar, just a bit more cartoonish. For that to happen, it would have to have absolutely insane revolutionary gameplay that isn’t just a gimmick.

I honestly don’t see it happening. It will have a minor hype period for a few weeks where a few streamers try it out, then it will be forgotten.

On June 05 2023 18:55 WombaT wrote:

There have been far more RTS games shooting for semi realistic art styles (big emphasis on the semi) than something more stylised and exaggerated/cartoonish over the years.

It’s like saying the next Zelda game should adopt a more realistic art style in order to make it stand out from other open world adventure games, unless I’m not picking you up right?

It’s got an obvious primary niche, BW/WC3/SC2 fans who are bored/burned out from playing the same games for 10/15/20 years. Or folks who want a new game to play with new things to figure out and new metas. And don’t underestimate the work a player say, only familiar with SC2 has to put in just to vaguely know the metas and intricacies of those games, all the while playing with mostly veterans of them. Quake Champions made some missteps as well, 100% but another reason it didn’t revitalise the arena shooter (along with RTS my favourite genre), is down to newcomers to the genre being boxed into competitive modes in a game most populated by a ton of absolute veterans.

Especially after Blizz botched Warcraft Reforged so badly, a game I know people who first came to RTS with SC2 and were eager for a fresh game to tackle, our Irish SC group had a bunch wanting to all give it a crack, then it launches without even a ladder and basic shit so people didn’t.

I don’t think it’s the only niche, there are others to reap but that’s the big obvious one. And I don’t think the wheel needs to be revolutionised, or for Stormgate to top those games on quality for it to successfully plough that furrow.

If the core gameplay is to pick an arbitrary value, 80% as good with a few innovations, plus some QoL changes and I think crucially, fun stuff to do that isn’t competitive and it’ll do fine

On June 05 2023 20:43 Jae Zedong wrote:


You don’t have to re-invent the wheel, but you can’t just release a vaguely SC2 looking game with ”solid” fundamentals (because SC2 already has that) plus a few cute things like rotating buildings and call it a day. That game may have become a huge hit if SC2 didn’t exist but since it does, you need a fairly distinct UPS if you want to enter the RTS space in earnest and not be forgotten in a few weeks once people move back to SC2/BW. The RTS genre is notoriously settled and the players would need darn good reasons to abandon their entrenched favorites.

And I don’t have a problem with the cartoony style at all, if anything I think it looks too much like SC2. But I do think a 2D isometric game that’s not a BW clone would have a better shot at being unique in today’s landscape.

On June 05 2023 21:25 WombaT wrote:

It would be pretty limiting at the same time.

You can’t really do a lot of things like cutscenes in the game engine, or funky camera angle shifts for mini-cutscenes without having a full 3D engine. It’ll also limit the potential for creative mods and maps as there’s innate limitations to building a game that’s 2D isometric.

Whatever UPS this game will have or end up lacking, it’ll be in the gameplay sphere. If that’s not there you’re not succeeding. People won’t drop a compelling game because it’s in 3D and that’s passé, neither will they persist in a game that isn’t because of the relative novelty of being a 2D isometric game

I’d still play a 2D isometric RTS nonetheless but it feels like the kind of project that would be trading mostly on nostalgia and an indie level of scope, not a game with ambitions of being the new player in a AAA space.

On June 08 2023 00:01 BisuDagger wrote:
I'm good with cartoonish, because I play BW exclusively with carbot skins.

On June 08 2023 05:05 AmericanUmlaut wrote:

I agree, but looking at those screens I'm wondering if that's not actually their intention. Those UIs look to me like maybe they're a one-size-fits-all solution to allow testing on 4:3 monitors during development.

On June 09 2023 00:19 NewSunshine wrote:

Those screenshots don't even have game graphics in them, they look very much like a mockup to show what you can expect in terms of layout and feel, not that every single detail is what you can expect at launch. It's honestly kind of silly to think that anything we're looking at right now is 100% indicative of the final game.

That said, yeah, having to look past the UI to see what might be going on in that corner would suck ass. If the game ships like that with no option to change it they will get grilled for it.

On June 10 2023 00:53 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:

Respectfully. I will not like to play a game that look like this. I feel like you are tripping with those graphics are better than the stormgate game when we didnt even see actual gameplay. Sunday they are going to reveal for the first time. So maybe we will know exactly how good or bad the game looks. The pictures posted on this thread are very low resolution and bad quality.
Why do you even care about graphics when u playing BAR that u cant even see units bro..


Tasteless posted this video with a unit from stormgate.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1666752428178550784

On June 12 2023 08:53 IvaNioX_twitch wrote:
destroying forest implies base trade games

On June 10 2023 00:53 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:

Respectfully. I will not like to play a game that look like this. I feel like you are tripping with those graphics are better than the stormgate game when we didnt even see actual gameplay. Sunday they are going to reveal for the first time. So maybe we will know exactly how good or bad the game looks. The pictures posted on this thread are very low resolution and bad quality.
Why do you even care about graphics when u playing BAR that u cant even see units bro..


Tasteless posted this video with a unit from stormgate.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1666752428178550784

On June 12 2023 06:27 LML wrote:
Gameplay video from the PC Gamer Gaming Show 2023 (timestamped for when the first gameplay is shown)
https://youtu.be/hV1Y31_4BS0?t=126

On June 12 2023 15:13 Highgamer wrote:
The best expectation (ambitious) casuals should have imo is that they'll get another solid RTS to have some fun with for a while and see how far it'll take them. Just keep playing whatever your favorite game was until now and see if this new one finds its way into your heart, too. If it's so good that you'll find yourself wanting to play it more than the old one, for a while at least, that'd be great.

For a pro-scene to develop it would really have to be immensly popular though and kick ass in all major aspects to out-do the old games, and that'll be tough.

On June 12 2023 20:32 Cyro wrote:


I think you underestimate the powers of hype and novelty. Starcraft 2 was not a very good game when it got popular, it sucked at all sorts of things.

On June 12 2023 11:38 Dante08 wrote:
Don’t get your hopes up on Stormgate from a BW perspective, no one is going to make a game like BW again. This will probably be like a mix of SC2/WC3

limited control groups

On June 13 2023 00:08 WombaT wrote:

It’s never going to happen until somebody cracks the formula to keep everything that makes it so great, and have that not be due to its various limitations and relatively crushing mechanical difficulty.

Even good Starcraft 2 players struggle to get up to speed with BW and that’s the next most difficult big competitive RTS game on the market.

Hey BW still exists at the end of the day and is doing pretty bloody well

On June 13 2023 00:05 JoinTheRain wrote:
I've been thinking, how come rts developers don't make a game with casual mode which I imagine is like sc2 mechanics-wise, maybe more resources per base, just easier to get into the game. Then make competitive mode, similar to bw: without mbs, limited control groups, just harder to excel at in general. Kind of like csgo is, casual mode is way more forgiving than competitive and you can just mess around with guns on casual, do this nonsense, then that, you know. And in competitive you can go and show off game skill with the tough mechanics.

On June 13 2023 01:49 Garnet wrote:


The people playing the "competitive mode" would feel like superior human beings compared to the casual players, and gamers nowadays have fragile egos.

On June 13 2023 07:34 Lorch wrote:
Was expecting dumbed down version of sc2, got warcraft 3 without heroes :/
Maybe campaign will be fun...

But as others said, never gonna have a game like BW made anymore

On June 13 2023 18:28 Sd13 wrote:
In a consumerism, corporate world, media are viewed closer to a product than a labour of love, to be pumped out as much and as fast as tolerable instead of striving to deliver new sparks, new breakthroughs.

Deem it being a boomer, nostalgia or Blizzard-phobia, I just don't see that glint of ingenuity in Stormgate (or in Diablo 4).

On June 13 2023 00:36 Cyro wrote:


Should they also make the mouse cursor shake randomly so that it's hard to click on the unit that you want?

On June 13 2023 00:05 JoinTheRain wrote:
I've been thinking, how come rts developers don't make a game with casual mode which I imagine is like sc2 mechanics-wise, maybe more resources per base, just easier to get into the game. Then make competitive mode, similar to bw: without mbs, limited control groups, just harder to excel at in general. Kind of like csgo is, casual mode is way more forgiving than competitive and you can just mess around with guns on casual, do this nonsense, then that, you know. And in competitive you can go and show off game skill with the tough mechanics.

On June 14 2023 20:07 yB.TeH wrote:
looks like another game that tries to sell itself through marketing not actually being a fun game
didn't see anything that justify that astroturfed hype so far, maybe in another year or two

On June 14 2023 20:07 yB.TeH wrote:
looks like another game that tries to sell itself through marketing not actually being a fun game