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StarcraftHistorian
Profile Joined November 2022
United States135 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-03-24 17:07:24
March 24 2023 10:55 GMT
#1
Clarification: The title of this post is my take on what ZG said. Not a quote from her and not a representation of her views

As quoted by ZombieGrub in my latest interview with her, "Blizzard pulled the rug out from under" the SC2 scene.

Essentially what was explained is that behind the scenes, Blizz led people to believe a contract extension/renewed funding was coming all year long, but decided to cut the program at the last minute. If not for the support of ESL, SC2 would have dieed overnight, the same way Heroes of the Storm was left to die.
E.g. https://www.esports.net/news/blizzard/blizzard-officially-ending-heroes-of-the-storm-development/
https://www.polygon.com/2018/12/14/18141331/heroes-of-the-storm-canceled-hgc-blizzard-community

Clip from ZG interview:
Crocolisk Dundee
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
870 Posts
March 24 2023 11:51 GMT
#2
I am holding off on any judgement here. The video clip does not make clear what happened.

There is a possibility Blizzard had not signed a formal contract, certain people expected them to sign based on previous interactions, then were disappointed when their expectation was not met.

If that was the case, I would understand the disappointment, but it would be just a normal business decision by Blizzard.
Stopped watching ESL content in 2022 when the company was acquired by Savvy Gaming Group. Also object to sponsorships by the U.S. Air Force. Thanks for the lively discussions about sportswashing. StarCraft II is not for me anymore.
I wasbanned fromthis
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
113 Posts
March 24 2023 13:39 GMT
#3
Blizzard Activision will cut losses like a combat knife.
One time for Kerri Moynihan
TossHeroes
Profile Joined February 2022
281 Posts
March 24 2023 15:14 GMT
#4
Who was really expecting an extension funding from blizzard?

Most people KNEW the blizzard funding was gonna stop after the 3 year contract with ESL

Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-03-24 16:03:51
March 24 2023 16:03 GMT
#5
On March 24 2023 20:51 Crocolisk Dundee wrote:
I am holding off on any judgement here. The video clip does not make clear what happened.

There is a possibility Blizzard had not signed a formal contract, certain people expected them to sign based on previous interactions, then were disappointed when their expectation was not met.

If that was the case, I would understand the disappointment, but it would be just a normal business decision by Blizzard.


It does sound like a somewhat stardard buisness practices where everyone tell you everything is fine and there's just a few last things to tie up, until suddenly everything fall off when the boss give his decision.

It's a shitty practice though
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ZombieGrub
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States699 Posts
March 24 2023 16:45 GMT
#6
On March 25 2023 01:03 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2023 20:51 Crocolisk Dundee wrote:
I am holding off on any judgement here. The video clip does not make clear what happened.

There is a possibility Blizzard had not signed a formal contract, certain people expected them to sign based on previous interactions, then were disappointed when their expectation was not met.

If that was the case, I would understand the disappointment, but it would be just a normal business decision by Blizzard.


It does sound like a somewhat stardard buisness practices where everyone tell you everything is fine and there's just a few last things to tie up, until suddenly everything fall off when the boss give his decision.

It's a shitty practice though


Pretty much this. "Things were on an optimistic path and then it got nixed" is why I compared it to HotS. I certainly don't think Blizzard has this super ill-intent where they're trying to kill something. Business decisions were made eventually and it didn't favor us, so yeah, just disappointing.
Commentator"Defeat is the acceptance of my own laziness." - SlayerS_'Boxer'
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4188 Posts
March 24 2023 18:09 GMT
#7
oh wow, seriously?! Damn.. I'm REALLY shocked right now ! ! !














not.
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
ASeriousMan
Profile Joined May 2015
5 Posts
March 24 2023 19:26 GMT
#8
On March 25 2023 03:09 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
oh wow, seriously?! Damn.. I'm REALLY shocked right now ! ! !














not.



This thread almost made it to a full page without an edgelord showing up, we should take pride.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
March 24 2023 19:33 GMT
#9
On March 25 2023 04:26 ASeriousMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2023 03:09 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
oh wow, seriously?! Damn.. I'm REALLY shocked right now ! ! !














not.



This thread almost made it to a full page without an edgelord showing up, we should take pride.

Seems less like edge to me and more like a normal reaction to the way Acti-Blizz cuts off anything that doesn't make $$$$$.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1147 Posts
March 24 2023 19:41 GMT
#10
On March 25 2023 04:33 NewSunshine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2023 04:26 ASeriousMan wrote:
On March 25 2023 03:09 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
oh wow, seriously?! Damn.. I'm REALLY shocked right now ! ! !














not.



This thread almost made it to a full page without an edgelord showing up, we should take pride.

Seems less like edge to me and more like a normal reaction to the way Acti-Blizz cuts off anything that doesn't make $$$$$.


Blizzard funded the SC2 scene for three years and still got hated on from the community en masse. What exactly were they supposed to gain from this?
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4404 Posts
March 24 2023 19:42 GMT
#11
Blizzard has already shown they'd prefer no scene rather than a self sustaining scene they aren't in control of with Broodwar. Not surprising that they'd actively try to kill SC2 rather than just see what happens without them involved.
QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
March 24 2023 19:53 GMT
#12
On March 25 2023 04:42 JJH777 wrote:
Blizzard has already shown they'd prefer no scene rather than a self sustaining scene they aren't in control of with Broodwar. Not surprising that they'd actively try to kill SC2 rather than just see what happens without them involved.

Yeah, if they try the BW style extortion-for-tournaments thing it will completely shut the game down.
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
March 24 2023 19:56 GMT
#13
I think if you're going to post a sensationalist headline as the title as well as self promote, the least you could do is drop the full interview in here for 100% of the context..
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
March 24 2023 20:04 GMT
#14
On March 25 2023 04:42 JJH777 wrote:
Blizzard has already shown they'd prefer no scene rather than a self sustaining scene they aren't in control of with Broodwar. Not surprising that they'd actively try to kill SC2 rather than just see what happens without them involved.


Huh?
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sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2547 Posts
March 24 2023 21:22 GMT
#15
On March 25 2023 05:04 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2023 04:42 JJH777 wrote:
Blizzard has already shown they'd prefer no scene rather than a self sustaining scene they aren't in control of with Broodwar. Not surprising that they'd actively try to kill SC2 rather than just see what happens without them involved.


Huh?


Afreeca gotta pay blizzard a huge license fee to host their broodwar tournaments..
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
March 24 2023 21:35 GMT
#16
On March 25 2023 06:22 sM.Zik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2023 05:04 Nakajin wrote:
On March 25 2023 04:42 JJH777 wrote:
Blizzard has already shown they'd prefer no scene rather than a self sustaining scene they aren't in control of with Broodwar. Not surprising that they'd actively try to kill SC2 rather than just see what happens without them involved.


Huh?


Afreeca gotta pay blizzard a huge license fee to host their broodwar tournaments..


Oh I get it for BW, I have no idea what we are referencing for SC2
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StarcraftHistorian
Profile Joined November 2022
United States135 Posts
March 24 2023 21:49 GMT
#17
What I meant with this post was not that Blizzard is a malicious actor, and wants to see the Starcraft scene suffer. I understand that they are part of a huge company, and that cutting funding for SC2 was a business decision.

What I'm upset about is this, Blizzard should have learned their lesson from the public backlash they faced regarding their handling of the Heroes of The Storm scene. People are building their lives around these games, and they deserve to know if they have a job in 3 months.

You're going to cut funding for a program that isn't generating enough of a return? Great, do what you need to for your shareholders. But GIVE PEOPLE NOTICE, have people sign NDA's if you must, just make it clear what your intentions are, to the people whose lives depend on your decision. If ESL didn't step in, Pro SC2 would have disappeared overnight.

[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
March 25 2023 00:30 GMT
#18
What Blizzard did in Heroes of the Storm was pretty bad. Basically even in novemember during BlizzCon they were telling people the tournaments would continue and more info would be released later. And then suddenly they announced it would end a couple of weeks later.

It screwed a lot of people. TL actually had been investing in different projects and there was money spent during that time frame only for Blizzard to pull the plug without notice. Other orgs both in terms of media and pro teams were in the same boat. There were team houses, players literally moving to different states/countries. There was no indication at all the pro scene would die. Viewership wasn't as big as LoL or Dota, but even then it was decent.

So I was weary when they announced the Blizzard deal would end inn Katowice and they "may" renew it. I didn't trust Blizzard at all to do it. I suspect others were cautious too, so at least sc2 had some form of "heads up" since we knew the contract was ending.

Still, if they were telling people their support would continue until shortly before they dropped it, it is still very shitty. People's life's depend on this. Not only pros, but tournament staff, casters, media, teams. So it's very shitty.
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StarcraftHistorian
Profile Joined November 2022
United States135 Posts
March 25 2023 00:59 GMT
#19
On March 25 2023 09:30 [Phantom] wrote:
What Blizzard did in Heroes of the Storm was pretty bad. Basically even in novemember during BlizzCon they were telling people the tournaments would continue and more info would be released later. And then suddenly they announced it would end a couple of weeks later.

It screwed a lot of people. TL actually had been investing in different projects and there was money spent during that time frame only for Blizzard to pull the plug without notice. Other orgs both in terms of media and pro teams were in the same boat. There were team houses, players literally moving to different states/countries. There was no indication at all the pro scene would die. Viewership wasn't as big as LoL or Dota, but even then it was decent.

So I was weary when they announced the Blizzard deal would end inn Katowice and they "may" renew it. I didn't trust Blizzard at all to do it. I suspect others were cautious too, so at least sc2 had some form of "heads up" since we knew the contract was ending.

Still, if they were telling people their support would continue until shortly before they dropped it, it is still very shitty. People's life's depend on this. Not only pros, but tournament staff, casters, media, teams. So it's very shitty.


This is exactly my point.

Does it not sound like the SC2 scene was going to be put in the same position that HoTS was? Only ESL's support at the last minute stopped a catastrophic situation like that.
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2102 Posts
March 25 2023 01:03 GMT
#20
While it's not great how they executed HotS, they kept SC2 scene alive 5 years longer than it should've. It was basically all charity work. New SC2 revenue is nearly zero. They could literally release [any new content] in Hearthstone and it'd make them more money, at a thousandth the cost to do and make.

And almost always, it's not even the fault of team's who are directly involved. Some things just get chopped, especially when they are hemorrhaging money.
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
March 25 2023 03:06 GMT
#21
Fuck Blizzard, especially when they still charge for ancient 25 year old dead game outside korea.
sunbeams are never made like me...
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1147 Posts
March 25 2023 03:50 GMT
#22
On March 25 2023 12:06 outscar wrote:
Fuck Blizzard, especially when they still charge for ancient 25 year old dead game outside korea.


...do you mean BroodWar? The Remastered costs 15 bucks (which is completly fine considering how amazing it looks), but you can get the original BW for free, right after they announced the Remastered that choice was made.
So either you talk about a different game or you should consider to unfuck Blizzard?
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
Philippe
Profile Joined October 2020
351 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-03-25 05:12:45
March 25 2023 05:11 GMT
#23
On March 25 2023 12:06 outscar wrote:
Fuck Blizzard, especially when they still charge for ancient 25 year old dead game outside korea.


Considering other companies (which I won't name there) are treating some of their franchise developers way worse than what Blizzard is doing there, the company looks like a saint with this somewhat standard (if not very moral) practice.

The company owes the scene nothing, and some should always keep in mind, despite the public reassurances, there's always the possiblity the worst bad thing happens.
I'm just a cynical video game enjoyer who is probably unfazed by many business dealings many would find utterly distasteful, while not strictly illegal by the law as seen in a general sense in the world.
BlueStar
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Bulgaria1166 Posts
March 25 2023 10:32 GMT
#24
I'm getting tired of this youtube trend of "a video telling what x person thinks about a video from y person talking about z person". I walk around such spam over the internet, doing the same here in tl.net.



P.S. If ppl don't see that blizzard is a trash company from a mile, it's on them.
Leader of the Bulgarian National SCBW/SC2 team and team pSi.SCBW/SC2
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33360 Posts
March 25 2023 17:35 GMT
#25
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AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
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