Foreigners Suck #3 - Page 5

lil.sis

China4650 Posts

October 13 2007 07:09 GMT

#81

thats right homie you gotta earn your wings

fuck why do i leave general forum? the threads are always so ridiculous. although rek's rants remain infinitely amusing

Nickisonfire

United States440 Posts

October 13 2007 07:09 GMT

#82

in all honesty alot of the good players don't get into the scene or the politics of the game.. a lot of kids get onto battle.net and you'll never know 90% of them.. when sc2 comes out it will get mainstream attention to a point where you're ideal of "koreans > all" will go down the toilet.. like everyone says though it's just alot of practice.. any kid of any race or country can join any game and win.. and that's why starcraft is still here.. because you can re-install it and play that first game.. then watch yourself a week later after practicing and see how good you have gotten.. also alot of usa kids would not benefit from gaming and just because half of korea has 12 hours a day to play starcraft,.. alot of us here in the usa don't..

Hot_Bid

Braavos36402 Posts

October 13 2007 07:28 GMT

#83

On October 13 2007 16:09 Nickisonfire wrote:
in all honesty alot of the good players don't get into the scene or the politics of the game.. a lot of kids get onto battle.net and you'll never know 90% of them.. when sc2 comes out it will get mainstream attention to a point where you're ideal of "koreans > all" will go down the toilet.. like everyone says though it's just alot of practice.. any kid of any race or country can join any game and win.. and that's why starcraft is still here.. because you can re-install it and play that first game.. then watch yourself a week later after practicing and see how good you have gotten.. also alot of usa kids would not benefit from gaming and just because half of korea has 12 hours a day to play starcraft,.. alot of us here in the usa don't..

first, i think you're misusing the word "ideal"

second, the bolded part is just wrong. korea already has proteam structure in place and most likely will be the first country to innovate new strategy, perfect mechanics, and overall develop progamers for SC2. it's a natural transition with so many BW semi-pros there.

maybe it'll be equal across the globe for the first month or so, but you give SC2 to any Korean Proteam and 1 hour of their analysis/practice is way more valuable than a week of some random American playing against his friends for leisure. Add to that the hours that Proteams put in and you're looking at just as dominant a Korea as it was in BW.

FirstBorn

Romania3955 Posts

October 13 2007 07:31 GMT

#84

On October 13 2007 11:10 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
oh shut the hell up physician

ahahahahhaahahahaha. PWNED!

PanoRaMa

United States5070 Posts

October 13 2007 07:37 GMT

#85

On October 13 2007 11:10 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
oh shut the hell up physician

LOL

GTR

51700 Posts

October 13 2007 07:39 GMT

#86

On October 13 2007 11:10 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
oh shut the hell up physician

bandwagon lol

Raithed

China7078 Posts

October 13 2007 07:41 GMT

#87

wow.. i am in the second pagge, i cant take this anymore. im no longer reading in this thread. theres a few people i hate in this progaming "scene" one of them is rekrul. im glad elky 5-0'd you few years ago. god fucking good riddance, its shit that whoever owns the site or is a big enough member that they can bitch and whine and whatnot(even if you say it is not so), and other members cant as someone in the first page have mentioned. this is degrading. go artosis, do a good job. i support you.

TeRRan`UseR

Canada692 Posts

October 13 2007 07:53 GMT

#88

I'm so ashamed.

Not really. :D:D:D:D:D

Texas

Germany2388 Posts

October 13 2007 08:04 GMT

#89

excellent typing skills.

whats up with crayon? Busy with studies?

LOcDowN

United States1015 Posts

October 13 2007 08:04 GMT

#90

It's pretty obvious the Koreans have figured out a system and the breakdown of the game is so specific - it has become a science. It's unfortunate because the science is only temporary and sooner or later StarCraft 2 will come out. SC2 will have its own breakdown into details, into specifics, into a science. Combine the knowledge of this science + mass practice + innate ability and you have top tier pro-gamers outclassing the lower tier pro-gamers consistently (or globally as with foreigners). The knowledge of this science + the ability to execute and mass practice the mechanic required brings almost perfection in game play. Unless us foreigners have our own training squads, there's no way we can catch up to the Koreans highly structured system of pro-gaming.

spetial

United States688 Posts

October 13 2007 08:05 GMT

#91

On October 13 2007 12:03 IdrA wrote:

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On October 13 2007 10:47 Rekrul wrote:
In regards to StarCraft SuperStars tournament and artosis's post here:

On October 13 2007 06:07 Artosis3 wrote:

On October 12 2007 22:57 Rekrul wrote:
daniel i know you are probably going to read this, even though you probably don't value my opinion:

all the players in this line up have absolutely no talent except assem unless you're being forced to do this by estro... taking them is a terribly bad idea

how do you think assem got his "talent"? through PRACTICE. you got a free shot at progaming because of who your friends were. we now have a tournament where some of us who really want it can earn it and you are trying to sabotage this. you dont actually know everything, sorry.

You are right I did get a 'free shot' at progaming because when I came to Korea the skill level among foreigners, whilst still having a huge gap between the skill level of koreans, was much closer to the koreans than modern day. I was indeed one of the top foreigners back then but I certainly wasn't the best.

Now fast forward to modern day where the skill level of korean gamers is so fucking insane to a point where it is basically unattainable for non-koreans (if you think Draco got close to it you are ignorant, but he did get farther than any other non korean skill-wise imo). So here we have a korean community full of gamers so damn good and a non-korean community full of all the 4th rate newbies from the past when all the good players played. None of you have improved like the koreans. Your skill levels have stagnated and you have merely learned to copy some macro build orders invented by the new generations and learned to click faster (not you artosis ur the same as always, no offense..just a fact). Not only that, but this tournament doesn't even have the best foreign players from this day and age. It has a few good ones but the rest are 2nd and 3rd rate newbies even by today's foreigner standards. How exactly does winning a 16 man tournament full of trash players make you 'earn it' ?? You say this is going to make you earn it, whereas I got a 'free shot' by earning the respect of the whole Hexatron team and ElkY and Grrr (real progamers, who have a real sense of talent and skill, unlike you...who is a clueless newbie with a hopeless dream). Winning this tournament doesn't mean shit. It earns you nothing. It proves nothing. It only proves which one of the 2nd and 3rd rate newbies on the day of the tournament is playing the best and/or the luckiest. Whoever came up with this whole idea is doing you guys a huge favor giving you guys a chance at a little money and a chance at coming to Korea and having fun on a team.

I know this is harsh and kind of mean seeing as how it is your dream to come to Korea and be a progamer. But get your facts straight. U blow.

why the fuck are you trying to shit on him for doing the EXACT SAME THING YOU DID. no one expects to win a fucking starleague. the whole point is going for a fun, unique experience. you're no more skilled than any of the people in contention for a spot and you went anyway. just because you're bitter you failed miserably doesnt mean you need to shittalk anyone else who wants to give it a shot.

btw nice post and im a rekrul fan (cant help it im a poker guy)

TeRRan`UseR

Canada692 Posts

October 13 2007 08:05 GMT

#92

On October 13 2007 17:04 HiTexas wrote:
excellent typing skills.

whats up with crayon? Busy with studies?

BRO

U DONT EVENN KNOW.

red.venom

United States4651 Posts

October 13 2007 08:14 GMT

#93

figured I would post in this thread before it gets to 100 pages

The prob with the tournament roster for me is that i have beat about half the players in it at various points in time(Not saying winning records vs all of them but just wins), and i am considered "unknown" and dont really play any tournaments. i fuckin play a couple hours a week with the number ever-decreasing as time goes on... So how are some dudes who I can get wins vs gonna go own koreans? Keep in mind I know the difference between casuals and tournament play.

Im sure some of the other decent players reading this thread feel the same way.

Pistasj

Norway272 Posts

October 13 2007 08:25 GMT

#94

I think only white people with good looks should be allowed to play this tournament. I'ts only natural since its a marketing ploy.

jimminy_kriket

Canada5545 Posts

October 13 2007 08:31 GMT

#95

On October 13 2007 16:53 TeRRan`UseR wrote:
I find it hgard to comperehend how good the koraenz are/. Like, i ll watch savior FPVODS on youtube and hes fucking amazing n all but its like "Why cant do that? why can't any non korean do that????? iots so fucking aghardd to comprehend how muhc better thgey are than us, cause t hey're always opklaying opponents whonare just as good. its likie, you watch the vod and think "that's pretty solid play and all, but waht speerteates us from them???"why cant i just micro that wekll, macro that hard, and be as strategically smart as them. The style of play is a lot different between kloreans and non-kjoreanz, to the point where its hard to identify. Like, someone could show me a replay witho9ut me hgaving a clue who the playrers are and id be able to guess whreether or not im watching koreanz or non koreanz. Its just weird how their style of play is so different. But like, at the end of the day, im likje a D+/C- iccup player but it looks so easy to be a savior or be a nada (assuming u can multitask that well)_ even tjhough multitasking is kjust a part of wat it takes to be that good. I dunno im just drunk and ranting and spilling my thoughts but like; how does onbe make the jump from 3rd/4th rate non0-korean nooby to potential progamer? it looks so simple, so simple that one can reach out and 'touch' the skill it takes to be that good, but at the end of the day, it just doesnt happen and i, liek many, lose to random no bodies on iccup.

i think this little tournement is cool. im no where capable of competing in it rihgt now, but its the first tourney thgats ever gioven me a 'chance' to compete like that and i hoppe to someday play in it (mainly because i like the idea of getting 500$ and i wanan put an exhaust system and shti on my wrx but still) its like...i dunno.. its so hard to explain wat seperates a korean progamer from a random no body,i understand what makes them better than us, but like, WHYY cant we be that good? WHY cant we play at that level?

its just like, some form of 'starcraft englightenment' (as ive always called ti) that one must attain to ascend to that level of skill/capability.

just my 2 canadian cents. GG. ^_^

Have a good sleep and then come back and edit this you drunk.

Anyways I think the quality of this "foreigners suck" thread is a bit lacking compared to the other two. This seems more like a bitch than anything else but all in all i agree with rek, I don't think any of those players could make it very far in korea. Iefniaj and xiaozi are really the only two that could do anything in my mind. Any of the other players seem to be stuck in a sort of rut. While they can play very well I cant see them adapting or really being ingenuitive.

Pros are pros, they will be good no matter what. They are constantly trying to bend the rules of the game and do things that just shouldn't be done ,while the players on the list try to perfect known stratagies,emulating things they've seen on MBC or OGN.

While they can do it better than the rest of us it doesn't set them apart, they just fall into the skilled foreigners category with so many others.

I gave iefnaij and xiaozi the exception because both have a still seem to have that "freshness" that alot of players have when they start. They haven't sunk into that rut of pre-defined starcraft rules that alot of older players have. They still want to impress and show something new.

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It takes freshness to pull something like this off.

iD.NicKy

France767 Posts

October 13 2007 08:41 GMT

#96

it's obv a marketing strategy by estro, they're preparing sc2 and they know it's gonna huge in north america.

but eh, this is an opportunity for those guys gogog! glglgl

oh and daniel if you read this thread, you will find a great player.. that's sure

saranghaeCY-

United States446 Posts

October 13 2007 08:47 GMT

#97

On October 13 2007 11:10 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
oh shut the hell up physician

rofl thx for saving page 1

PhilGood2DaY

Germany7424 Posts

October 13 2007 09:21 GMT

#98

The basic meaning of rekruls intention was to state that Artosis is not one of the best candidates to go to korea for a pro gaming team, wasnt it ?

Artosis isnt one of the best, indeed.
So rekruls just perfectly right. What do you guys even keep arguing ?

The times where the sense and the practicetime of a player like Giyom helped you winning several leagues and being the dominant force for 2-3 years are over guys. Just cope with it..

NO foreigner could have a big impact. Draco was so good he didnt. LX is exceptional he dind do anything special at all.

Mondi wouldnt do great and Testie wouldnt either..