EPTForeigners Suck #3 - Page 7
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Skew
United States1019 Posts
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GongKyuckTerran
Croatia1096 Posts
stupid thread. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36388 Posts
it's like this: 10% luck 20% skill 15% concentrated power of will 5% pleasure 50% pain = 100% reason to remember your name | ||
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no.1
516 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36388 Posts
On October 13 2007 20:49 Skew wrote: Alright well we'd go in circles forever. But I think everyone should be aware that making assumptions on how anyone would do based off of a past that no one (except themselves and close friends) know about, is very, very stupid. well what if someone has a learning disability you think a retarded person was born with as much potential as boxer to be good at professional starcraft and just somehow through his life experience became retarded? | ||
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Midori
195 Posts
All the non-korean supporters: Naruto. but this time neji is right. =] Rekrul/Neji: "The moment you were born non-korean, your fate was sealed." | ||
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Musli
Poland5130 Posts
Its a talent connected with environment you live in, specific circumstances are needed too, but its still a talent because practice makes only a craftsman, you need to be born a champion. | ||
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no.1
516 Posts
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no.1
516 Posts
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
Ahhh.... Feels just as good every time. The opening post this time wasnt as good as the previous ones, but threads like this are easy reading when you have a hangover. Keep up.  | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28728 Posts
yes everyone who is really good has played a lot but not everyone who has played a lot is really good in fact some are pretty bad also rek prolly has more talent than pretty much everyone on that list. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
What are your intentions by doing this? There is no harm done if a player goes to korea... is there? | ||
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Skew
United States1019 Posts
Watching oldschoolers who never did anything suck eachother's dicks is also pretty idiotic ;P | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36388 Posts
On October 13 2007 22:21 Skew wrote: No body is "born a champion" -- you're made to be one. This is like that idiotic argument that kids are born "bad". Sigh. a stupid kid who can't think fast is "born bad." he doesn't magically become slow thinking, a large part of it will be what he's born with. it's simple genetics, people are born with different intelligence levels and personality traits that in turn affect how good they'll be at something like starcraft. yes, circumstances and environment play a part, but it's an interplay between that and "natural talent." there exists a good debate for which side matters more, but to say one side doesn't exist simply because its an "idiot argument" (presupposing your own conclusion without any supporting evidence) is ridiculous. Watching oldschoolers who never did anything suck eachother's dicks is also pretty idiotic ;P i don't see how this adds anything to the argument except let everyone know that you have an agenda. | ||
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Skew
United States1019 Posts
On October 13 2007 22:26 Hot_Bid wrote: a stupid kid who can't think fast is "born bad." he doesn't magically become slow thinking, a large part of it will be what he's born with. it's simple genetics, people are born with different intelligence levels and personality traits that in turn affect how good they'll be at something like starcraft. yes, circumstances and environment play a part, but it's an interplay between that and "natural talent." there exists a good debate for which side matters more, but to say one side doesn't exist simply because its an "idiot argument" (presupposing your own conclusion without any supporting evidence) is ridiculous. i don't see how this has anything to do with whether talent exists, but i guess it does reveal a little of why you think the way you do. I didn't say anything about slow/fast thinking. And Eri made 2 stupid, really wrong statements... didn't know I was only allowed to talk about talent? | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28728 Posts
madcow would have been a worse player than boxer even if madcow had played twice as much as boxer against the same opponents. he's an extreme example, but there is a difference in the natural ability in a game like starcraft between virtually everyone. rek had a high amount of natural potential, but lacked dedication. (which is another significant aspect) while I really like artosis a lot, there's no doubt that artosis scores higher when it comes to dedication than in regards to potential. I still think he should try to pursue his dreams as much as he wants to though, because the worst thing that can happen is that it doesn't work out and he has to go back. then he still experienced more than he wouldve done sitting in usa anyway, and he would end up learning more, so go for it.. I actually heard skew that you're real talented and I can easily believe this cause you seem like a smart fellow. assem was also pretty talented (I helped out both assem and artosis with well, getting starcraft fundamentals down 8-9 years ago. assem picked up the fastest, in fact assem picked up very fast. ) then you have people like sven, maynard, grrr etc whom were so loaded with natural talent that they were not only able to copy people who had the fundamentals down (like almost everyone after them did, and which is why it's probably not completely fair towards newer players to judge talent), but in fact were able to discover the fundamentals themselves. (and this goes far beyond "build as many peons as you can and pull back injured units in battle) while practice is of course of immense importance, some people have a skill plateau significantly lower than others, and people also spend very very different amounts of time reaching a high level.. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36388 Posts
On October 13 2007 22:34 Skew wrote: I didn't say anything about slow/fast thinking. Slow/fast thinking, intelligence, ability to learn, these are all factors in "natural talent." You can't selectively ignore things that don't support your argument. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On October 13 2007 19:49 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: that's not true at all dude. are you not physically aware that all of those ideal conditions already exist and there's still a huge disparity in skill between someone like Bisu and someone like Jju? how come cj turns out monster player after monster player while other teams can barely get someone into a starleague? they all have the same talent pool to pick from. obviously every team doesnt have those ideal conditions, if they even exist. cj's practice environment does something that other teams dont. that 'huge disparity' isnt all that big, bisu, overall, would win more, but jju is very capable of beating him any given day. its astounding when even the best players approach 70% win in their best matchup and no player is ever dominant for very long. the ability to perform under pressure is far more significant than even skill, much less 'talent', as demonstrated by canata and all the other inhouse gosus who can barely win a tv game. talent is just some ideal all the oldschool players, who were good when no one knew how to play, want to hold on to so they can feel superior to new players. | ||
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{ToT}Strafe
Thailand7026 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28728 Posts
there's a huge difference in talent between socalled newschool players too. the difference is that now it's possible to become a good player without a significant amount of talent (but not a top player, top players still need significant talent) , while 5-10 years ago, it honestly wasn't. | ||
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