I dunno man, Serral winning only one significant/global level event in the last 18 months, and three in his entire career. While other players of the same race (Rogue and Dark) have picked up multiple world championships and several other events of the same or greater level? If that seems like a stupid argument to you then I'd really wonder what doesn't.
Just an FYI, no one cares if you lose to some random playes when you're winning world championships. No one cares about aligulac when you're winning GSL. It's a much more valued position than consistently getting ro8/ro4 in the world championships, skipping the most competitive leagues, and frequently winning lower tier events. That's what people have been trying to tell you. No pro player plays for aligulac points, they play for either money or to try and win the big tournaments (or both).
At least in 2018 there was a legitimate (and correct) argument for him being the best zerg in the latter half of the year.
On May 02 2020 19:46 SC-Shield wrote: Does Serral participate in TSL5?
He's listed as an invitee. Only downside to being invited, as opposed to qualified, is we don't get to see more Serral games (albeit, most of them would be boring one-sided stomps anyway).
On May 02 2020 19:46 Fango wrote: I dunno man, Serral winning only one significant/global level event in the last 18 months, and three in his entire career. While other players of the same race (Rogue and Dark) have picked up multiple world championships and several other events of the same or greater level? If that seems like a stupid argument to you then I'd really wonder what doesn't.
Just an FYI, no one cares if you lose to some random playes when you're winning world championships. No one cares about aligulac when you're winning GSL. It's a much more valued position than consistently getting ro8/ro4 in the world championships, skipping the most competitive leagues, and frequently winning lower tier events. That's what people have been trying to tell you. No pro player plays for aligulac points, they play for either money or to try and win the big tournaments (or both).
At least in 2018 there was a legitimate (and correct) argument for him being the best zerg in the latter half of the year.
A legitimate argument for Serral being the best zerg in the latter half in 2018? More like Serral's was the best year in the history of Sc2 regardless of race and only Maru's perfect Code S sweep could hope to be compared to his performance. GSL Zerg were totally irrelevant compared to Serral in that period, yours is such an understatement that it's approaching mendacity.
In the last 18 months, Dark and Rogue have won one World Championship each(definitely not multiple) and one Code S each(definitely not several other equal of greater events).
Rogue, especially, has managed to collect two ro32 eliminations in Code S, two ro16 exits in Super Tournament and a groupstage elimination in Katowice; he won big and performed poorly in a significant number of relevant tournaments he had to play.
Dark, on the other hand, has won a Super Tournament more than Rogue in the meanwhile and has been the best rated GSL player in 2019, collecting a nice amount of deep runs. That's why he was elected best player of the last year, a reasonable decision after all.
In the last 18 months, Serral has won more tournaments than Dark(BlizzCon, GSL vs the World, 4 HSC events, 2 WCS, Nation Wars), despite his being less prestigious on average and has been more consistent with relevant placements in international tournaments.
Korean pros do not underrate Serral, there is no reason for you haters on TL to; he is not the dominating god he was at his apex but he's still an S tier player, possibly the best(hard to say at the moment).
On April 30 2020 14:34 FFW_Rude wrote: Remove region lock and you'll get why.
Tell that to the GSL organizers. No one should have to stay in your country for months, unless your prize pool is at least double its current amount. Unless they remove their defacto region lock, foreigners should hang onto theirs. Serral would already have at least 4 GSL wins under his belt by now, and that's if he were unlucky. He would also leave his groups first place more often than any other GSLer.
Oh trust me he wouldn't. Serral's good. But he is also really good because koreans don't have a lot of practice against him. While it's true the other way around, he would face off a lot of player they know very well. It would be a lot harder to win when everyone can analyze you live and talk to each other. So a lot easier to analyze and counter him by having to play him more frequently and also on ladder.
Not saying he would not win anything. But he would not win everything
On May 02 2020 19:46 Fango wrote: I dunno man, Serral winning only one significant/global level event in the last 18 months, and three in his entire career. While other players of the same race (Rogue and Dark) have picked up multiple world championships and several other events of the same or greater level? If that seems like a stupid argument to you then I'd really wonder what doesn't.
Just an FYI, no one cares if you lose to some random playes when you're winning world championships. No one cares about aligulac when you're winning GSL. It's a much more valued position than consistently getting ro8/ro4 in the world championships, skipping the most competitive leagues, and frequently winning lower tier events. That's what people have been trying to tell you. No pro player plays for aligulac points, they play for either money or to try and win the big tournaments (or both).
At least in 2018 there was a legitimate (and correct) argument for him being the best zerg in the latter half of the year.
A legitimate argument for Serral being the best zerg in the latter half in 2018? More like Serral's was the best year in the history of Sc2 regardless of race and only Maru's perfect Code S sweep could hope to be compared to his performance. GSL Zerg were totally irrelevant compared to Serral in that period, yours is such an understatement that it's approaching mendacity.
In the last 18 months, Dark and Rogue have won one World Championship each(definitely not multiple) and one Code S each(definitely not several other equal of greater events).
Rogue, especially, has managed to collect two ro32 eliminations in Code S, two ro16 exits in Super Tournament and a groupstage elimination in Katowice; he won big and performed poorly in a significant number of relevant tournaments he had to play.
Dark, on the other hand, has won a Super Tournament more than Rogue in the meanwhile and has been the best rated GSL player in 2019, collecting a nice amount of deep runs. That's why he was elected best player of the last year, a reasonable decision after all.
In the last 18 months, Serral has won more tournaments than Dark(BlizzCon, GSL vs the World, 4 HSC events, 2 WCS, Nation Wars), despite his being less prestigious on average and has been more consistent with relevant placements in international tournaments.
Korean pros do not underrate Serral, there is no reason for you haters on TL to; he is not the dominating god he was at his apex but he's still an S tier player, possibly the best(hard to say at the moment).
Marus 2018 was still better then Serrals, so yes, he was the best Zerg of the year, but not clearly the best player, as his medals compared to Marus were not as great.
The rest of your post is yet again irrelevant, just the same BS over and over again. As everyone said by now, no-one cares about eliminations. If two players compete and in the same time period... One of them wins a single S-tier tournament and the other one wins 4, then there really is no comparison to be made between them. No amount of HSC or foreigner fests could compensate for that. Its that simple, yet you Serral fanboys will never understand, you are too far deluded to acknowledge the truth.
On May 02 2020 19:46 Fango wrote: I dunno man, Serral winning only one significant/global level event in the last 18 months, and three in his entire career. While other players of the same race (Rogue and Dark) have picked up multiple world championships and several other events of the same or greater level? If that seems like a stupid argument to you then I'd really wonder what doesn't.
Just an FYI, no one cares if you lose to some random playes when you're winning world championships. No one cares about aligulac when you're winning GSL. It's a much more valued position than consistently getting ro8/ro4 in the world championships, skipping the most competitive leagues, and frequently winning lower tier events. That's what people have been trying to tell you. No pro player plays for aligulac points, they play for either money or to try and win the big tournaments (or both).
At least in 2018 there was a legitimate (and correct) argument for him being the best zerg in the latter half of the year.
A legitimate argument for Serral being the best zerg in the latter half in 2018? More like Serral's was the best year in the history of Sc2 regardless of race and only Maru's perfect Code S sweep could hope to be compared to his performance. GSL Zerg were totally irrelevant compared to Serral in that period, yours is such an understatement that it's approaching mendacity.
In the last 18 months, Dark and Rogue have won one World Championship each(definitely not multiple) and one Code S each(definitely not several other equal of greater events).
Rogue, especially, has managed to collect two ro32 eliminations in Code S, two ro16 exits in Super Tournament and a groupstage elimination in Katowice; he won big and performed poorly in a significant number of relevant tournaments he had to play.
Dark, on the other hand, has won a Super Tournament more than Rogue in the meanwhile and has been the best rated GSL player in 2019, collecting a nice amount of deep runs. That's why he was elected best player of the last year, a reasonable decision after all.
In the last 18 months, Serral has won more tournaments than Dark(BlizzCon, GSL vs the World, 4 HSC events, 2 WCS, Nation Wars), despite his being less prestigious on average and has been more consistent with relevant placements in international tournaments.
Korean pros do not underrate Serral, there is no reason for you haters on TL to; he is not the dominating god he was at his apex but he's still an S tier player, possibly the best(hard to say at the moment).
Marus 2018 was still better then Serrals, so yes, he was the best Zerg of the year, but not clearly the best player, as his medals compared to Marus were not as great.
The rest of your post is yet again irrelevant, just the same BS over and over again. As everyone said by now, no-one cares about eliminations. If two players compete and in the same time period... One of them wins a single S-tier tournament and the other one wins 4, then there really is no comparison to be made between them. No amount of HSC or foreigner fests could compensate for that. Its that simple, yet you Serral fanboys will never understand, you are too far deluded to acknowledge the truth.
Interesting that you speak of delusion! Serral won the TL.net Player of the Year 2018 award but you say Maru's year was better so it must be so; Serral wins tournaments, but you declare they are worth nothing, you must be right. No discussion can exist upon these premises, here we agree for real.
On May 02 2020 19:46 Fango wrote: I dunno man, Serral winning only one significant/global level event in the last 18 months, and three in his entire career. While other players of the same race (Rogue and Dark) have picked up multiple world championships and several other events of the same or greater level? If that seems like a stupid argument to you then I'd really wonder what doesn't.
Just an FYI, no one cares if you lose to some random playes when you're winning world championships. No one cares about aligulac when you're winning GSL. It's a much more valued position than consistently getting ro8/ro4 in the world championships, skipping the most competitive leagues, and frequently winning lower tier events. That's what people have been trying to tell you. No pro player plays for aligulac points, they play for either money or to try and win the big tournaments (or both).
At least in 2018 there was a legitimate (and correct) argument for him being the best zerg in the latter half of the year.
A legitimate argument for Serral being the best zerg in the latter half in 2018? More like Serral's was the best year in the history of Sc2 regardless of race and only Maru's perfect Code S sweep could hope to be compared to his performance. GSL Zerg were totally irrelevant compared to Serral in that period, yours is such an understatement that it's approaching mendacity.
In the last 18 months, Dark and Rogue have won one World Championship each(definitely not multiple) and one Code S each(definitely not several other equal of greater events).
Rogue, especially, has managed to collect two ro32 eliminations in Code S, two ro16 exits in Super Tournament and a groupstage elimination in Katowice; he won big and performed poorly in a significant number of relevant tournaments he had to play.
Dark, on the other hand, has won a Super Tournament more than Rogue in the meanwhile and has been the best rated GSL player in 2019, collecting a nice amount of deep runs. That's why he was elected best player of the last year, a reasonable decision after all.
In the last 18 months, Serral has won more tournaments than Dark(BlizzCon, GSL vs the World, 4 HSC events, 2 WCS, Nation Wars), despite his being less prestigious on average and has been more consistent with relevant placements in international tournaments.
Korean pros do not underrate Serral, there is no reason for you haters on TL to; he is not the dominating god he was at his apex but he's still an S tier player, possibly the best(hard to say at the moment).
Marus 2018 was still better then Serrals, so yes, he was the best Zerg of the year, but not clearly the best player, as his medals compared to Marus were not as great.
The rest of your post is yet again irrelevant, just the same BS over and over again. As everyone said by now, no-one cares about eliminations. If two players compete and in the same time period... One of them wins a single S-tier tournament and the other one wins 4, then there really is no comparison to be made between them. No amount of HSC or foreigner fests could compensate for that. Its that simple, yet you Serral fanboys will never understand, you are too far deluded to acknowledge the truth.
Interesting that you speak of delusion! Serral won the TL.net Player of the Year 2018 award but you say Maru's year was better so it must be so; Serral wins tournaments, but you declare they are worth nothing, you must be right. No discussion can exist upon these premises, here we agree for real.
Ah yes. TL's player of the year award, irrefutable proof right here. Remeber when they said Rogue is a patch Zerg who would never win shit again after Blizzcon? That claim had more backing to it than calling WCS welfare queen the player of the year.
On May 03 2020 00:14 tskarzyn wrote: think it was implied that the interviewer wanted to know who in that studio the players were afraid of.
I don’t think this is the case. One or two players said Serral iirc
Fact of the matter is that serral has t done anything of note lately (imo and it seems in the opinion of Korea’s finest) that make him the most feared anymore
On April 30 2020 14:34 FFW_Rude wrote: Remove region lock and you'll get why.
Tell that to the GSL organizers. No one should have to stay in your country for months, unless your prize pool is at least double its current amount. Unless they remove their defacto region lock, foreigners should hang onto theirs. Serral would already have at least 4 GSL wins under his belt by now, and that's if he were unlucky. He would also leave his groups first place more often than any other GSLer.
??? GSL is a long-run tournament, if you can't stay in Korea then don't play it. Why should they change the format to make it easier for foreigners to join in?
??? Never said that they should. A defacto region lock is a region lock nevertheless. They have theirs, it's fair the world has its own. Regardless, the main point you missed is that Serral would've collected GSL trophies, if it were worth his time to try. Would also have been fun to count the number of times he would make it into the Ro4. ....
How many Blizzcon titles does he have? 1. IEM titles? 0
That's from what, 3 Blizzcons and 5 IEMs? Why do you think he would have won so many when nothing points towards it? At best his history shows he would be reaching RO4s. Nothjing shows he would be winning consistently against the very best as his history shows. In the meantime Rogue won Blizzcon and 2 IEMs.
Edit> eh, wrong post to quote, but w/e,
The likes of you keep saying the same thing every time like a broken record, and each time I gave you the same multi-paragraph lecture about statistics and probability, that you never understood. Each time you reveal your ignorance of the volatility of these tournaments, and each time you willfully ignore your favorite players' losses and failure. Wins have to be weighed against fails when evaluating players' overall ability, yet you always state the same one-dimensional argument, only counting tourney wins and ignoring those abject fails your favorite GSL players made.
Serral had made it far into almost every tournament he hadn't won. He consistently ranks #1 in his groups, and has never failed to make it out. You cannot say the same for any of your favorite Koreans. He also has an overwhelmingly positive w/l record against just about every Korean, except Maru, and especially if you start from 2018 onward, yet you say, "nothing shows he would be winning consistently against the very best." It's not funny anymore.
I'm not denying he would go far, I'm denyin he would won multiple titles. As nothing from the top tournaments show this.
They show plenty that he would. The top tournaments also shows Maru bombs out of groupstages occasionally; Dark gets his clock cleaned by Rogue consistently, and occasionally by much worse zergs like Elazer, Ragnarok, etc.; and Rogue suffers some combination of both, except with even more vT and vP losses sprinkled in. The top tournaments shows Serral manhandling consistently every Korean player except the guy who seems forbidden by the RNG deity from facing him. Maybe...you're just willfully ignorant?
On April 30 2020 14:34 FFW_Rude wrote: Remove region lock and you'll get why.
Tell that to the GSL organizers. No one should have to stay in your country for months, unless your prize pool is at least double its current amount. Unless they remove their defacto region lock, foreigners should hang onto theirs. Serral would already have at least 4 GSL wins under his belt by now, and that's if he were unlucky. He would also leave his groups first place more often than any other GSLer.
??? GSL is a long-run tournament, if you can't stay in Korea then don't play it. Why should they change the format to make it easier for foreigners to join in?
??? Never said that they should. A defacto region lock is a region lock nevertheless. They have theirs, it's fair the world has its own. Regardless, the main point you missed is that Serral would've collected GSL trophies, if it were worth his time to try. Would also have been fun to count the number of times he would make it into the Ro4. ....
How many Blizzcon titles does he have? 1. IEM titles? 0
That's from what, 3 Blizzcons and 5 IEMs? Why do you think he would have won so many when nothing points towards it? At best his history shows he would be reaching RO4s. Nothjing shows he would be winning consistently against the very best as his history shows. In the meantime Rogue won Blizzcon and 2 IEMs.
Edit> eh, wrong post to quote, but w/e,
The likes of you keep saying the same thing every time like a broken record, and each time I gave you the same multi-paragraph lecture about statistics and probability, that you never understood. Each time you reveal your ignorance of the volatility of these tournaments, and each time you willfully ignore your favorite players' losses and failure. Wins have to be weighed against fails when evaluating players' overall ability, yet you always state the same one-dimensional argument, only counting tourney wins and ignoring those abject fails your favorite GSL players made.
Serral had made it far into almost every tournament he hadn't won. He consistently ranks #1 in his groups, and has never failed to make it out. You cannot say the same for any of your favorite Koreans. He also has an overwhelmingly positive w/l record against just about every Korean, except Maru, and especially if you start from 2018 onward, yet you say, "nothing shows he would be winning consistently against the very best." It's not funny anymore.
We are all like broken records, because we have different sets of criteria and different methods of interpreting the statistics. While yours and Xain0n methods are blatantly wrong and ridiculous, ours have merit. That is the difference between us and that is why no matter how many times you try to promote your dumb arguments, they will never be accepted here.
To put it as simple as possible for lesser minds incapable of processing information the correct way, Serral is not playing with the top dogs for most of the year. That is why he seems so dominant. He always reaches the top no matter what. But on the top, he is no more dominant that any top Korean. Statistics prove that. He has won 1 from 7 WC tournaments. There really is no argument in the world you can use to diminish this fact. GSL would be no different. Yes, he is the most consistent player in the world for a couple of years now, and absolutely one of the best. And yes, we might assume he would consistently make top 8 in GSL. But would he be winning it? There is absolutely no way we can say that unless he tries and wins at least one. And from what we have seen (1 from 7), the probability he would win is quite small.
Rogue and Dark have achieved much more than Serral and proven themselves against top competition time and time again. Its only natural that the top dogs have them in higher regard, although as we have seen on IEM interviews, they hold Serral really high as well.
Not the top dogs this year? Wow, you've just insulted Innovation, Dream, Cure, soO, and Solar. And why stop at just this year? Why not include a bit of 2019 at least?
Number of tournament wins is not a fucking statistic! The sample size you're talking about is literally a single digit—that's not how statistics works! Good god, what are they teaching kids in school? You must consider bullshitting a competitive sport. You'd win a gold medal for sure.
It's not even close. Important to note: Serral's mantel doesn't even include the heads of low-to-mid-tier Koreans. If he played against them, you could probably up his vs-Korean percentages by another couple points.
You should look at mainly offline vs korean winrate because that is the highest level of competition and offline performance is a lot more important than online importance. obviously games against non-Korean people like Reynor should be counted too but if there isn't enough time, then use offline vs korean winrate.
On April 30 2020 14:34 FFW_Rude wrote: Remove region lock and you'll get why.
Tell that to the GSL organizers. No one should have to stay in your country for months, unless your prize pool is at least double its current amount. Unless they remove their defacto region lock, foreigners should hang onto theirs. Serral would already have at least 4 GSL wins under his belt by now, and that's if he were unlucky. He would also leave his groups first place more often than any other GSLer.
??? GSL is a long-run tournament, if you can't stay in Korea then don't play it. Why should they change the format to make it easier for foreigners to join in?
??? Never said that they should. A defacto region lock is a region lock nevertheless. They have theirs, it's fair the world has its own. Regardless, the main point you missed is that Serral would've collected GSL trophies, if it were worth his time to try. Would also have been fun to count the number of times he would make it into the Ro4. ....
How many Blizzcon titles does he have? 1. IEM titles? 0
That's from what, 3 Blizzcons and 5 IEMs? Why do you think he would have won so many when nothing points towards it? At best his history shows he would be reaching RO4s. Nothjing shows he would be winning consistently against the very best as his history shows. In the meantime Rogue won Blizzcon and 2 IEMs.
Edit> eh, wrong post to quote, but w/e,
The likes of you keep saying the same thing every time like a broken record, and each time I gave you the same multi-paragraph lecture about statistics and probability, that you never understood. Each time you reveal your ignorance of the volatility of these tournaments, and each time you willfully ignore your favorite players' losses and failure. Wins have to be weighed against fails when evaluating players' overall ability, yet you always state the same one-dimensional argument, only counting tourney wins and ignoring those abject fails your favorite GSL players made.
Serral had made it far into almost every tournament he hadn't won. He consistently ranks #1 in his groups, and has never failed to make it out. You cannot say the same for any of your favorite Koreans. He also has an overwhelmingly positive w/l record against just about every Korean, except Maru, and especially if you start from 2018 onward, yet you say, "nothing shows he would be winning consistently against the very best." It's not funny anymore.
I'm not denying he would go far, I'm denyin he would won multiple titles. As nothing from the top tournaments show this.
They show plenty that he would. The top tournaments also shows Maru bombs out of groupstages occasionally; Dark gets his clock cleaned by Rogue consistently, and occasionally by much worse zergs like Elazer, Ragnarok, etc.; and Rogue suffers some combination of both, except with even more vT and vP losses sprinkled in. The top tournaments shows Serral manhandling consistently every Korean player except the guy who seems forbidden by the RNG deity from facing him. Maybe...you're just willfully ignorant?
On April 30 2020 20:50 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On April 30 2020 18:05 tigon_ridge wrote:
On April 30 2020 17:38 deacon.frost wrote:
On April 30 2020 15:25 tigon_ridge wrote:
On April 30 2020 15:05 parksonsc wrote:
On April 30 2020 14:45 tigon_ridge wrote:
On April 30 2020 14:34 FFW_Rude wrote: Remove region lock and you'll get why.
Tell that to the GSL organizers. No one should have to stay in your country for months, unless your prize pool is at least double its current amount. Unless they remove their defacto region lock, foreigners should hang onto theirs. Serral would already have at least 4 GSL wins under his belt by now, and that's if he were unlucky. He would also leave his groups first place more often than any other GSLer.
??? GSL is a long-run tournament, if you can't stay in Korea then don't play it. Why should they change the format to make it easier for foreigners to join in?
??? Never said that they should. A defacto region lock is a region lock nevertheless. They have theirs, it's fair the world has its own. Regardless, the main point you missed is that Serral would've collected GSL trophies, if it were worth his time to try. Would also have been fun to count the number of times he would make it into the Ro4. ....
How many Blizzcon titles does he have? 1. IEM titles? 0
That's from what, 3 Blizzcons and 5 IEMs? Why do you think he would have won so many when nothing points towards it? At best his history shows he would be reaching RO4s. Nothjing shows he would be winning consistently against the very best as his history shows. In the meantime Rogue won Blizzcon and 2 IEMs.
Edit> eh, wrong post to quote, but w/e,
The likes of you keep saying the same thing every time like a broken record, and each time I gave you the same multi-paragraph lecture about statistics and probability, that you never understood. Each time you reveal your ignorance of the volatility of these tournaments, and each time you willfully ignore your favorite players' losses and failure. Wins have to be weighed against fails when evaluating players' overall ability, yet you always state the same one-dimensional argument, only counting tourney wins and ignoring those abject fails your favorite GSL players made.
Serral had made it far into almost every tournament he hadn't won. He consistently ranks #1 in his groups, and has never failed to make it out. You cannot say the same for any of your favorite Koreans. He also has an overwhelmingly positive w/l record against just about every Korean, except Maru, and especially if you start from 2018 onward, yet you say, "nothing shows he would be winning consistently against the very best." It's not funny anymore.
We are all like broken records, because we have different sets of criteria and different methods of interpreting the statistics. While yours and Xain0n methods are blatantly wrong and ridiculous, ours have merit. That is the difference between us and that is why no matter how many times you try to promote your dumb arguments, they will never be accepted here.
To put it as simple as possible for lesser minds incapable of processing information the correct way, Serral is not playing with the top dogs for most of the year. That is why he seems so dominant. He always reaches the top no matter what. But on the top, he is no more dominant that any top Korean. Statistics prove that. He has won 1 from 7 WC tournaments. There really is no argument in the world you can use to diminish this fact. GSL would be no different. Yes, he is the most consistent player in the world for a couple of years now, and absolutely one of the best. And yes, we might assume he would consistently make top 8 in GSL. But would he be winning it? There is absolutely no way we can say that unless he tries and wins at least one. And from what we have seen (1 from 7), the probability he would win is quite small.
Rogue and Dark have achieved much more than Serral and proven themselves against top competition time and time again. Its only natural that the top dogs have them in higher regard, although as we have seen on IEM interviews, they hold Serral really high as well.
Not the top dogs this year? Wow, you've just insulted Innovation, Dream, Cure, soO, and Solar. And why stop at just this year? Why not include a bit of 2019 at least?
Number of tournament wins is not a fucking statistic! The sample size you're talking about is literally a single digit—that's not how statistics works! Good god, what are they teaching kids in school? You must consider bullshitting a competitive sport. You'd win a gold medal for sure.
It's not even close. Important to note: Serral's mantel doesn't even include the heads of low-to-mid-tier Koreans. If he played against them, you could probably up his vs-Korean percentages by another couple points.
You should look at mainly offline vs korean winrate because that is the highest level of competition and offline performance is a lot more important than online importance. obviously games against non-Korean people like Reynor should be counted too but if there isn't enough time, then use offline vs korean winrate.
Don't bother, Serral fanboys actually think Serral and other players value aligulac higher than actual tournament wins. Xainon even said Serral's consistency in IEM groupstage is worth more than Rogue's 2 wins. When Serral stops winning tournaments, tournaments become irrelevant and ''not even a statistic''.
Honestly, Serral opening himself to a ton of criticism by simply throwing (at least somewhat) that series against Reynor at Blizzcon, and then not figuring out the proper response to Zest's hatch block into adept pressures. He's easily got the best current ZvZ (not sure how this is debatable), so he would have had probably a 60%+ chance of winning both those Premiers. He wins either of those, and a lot of this tired debate wouldn't be happening. Alas.
On May 03 2020 06:44 Rubicant1 wrote: Honestly, Serral opening himself to a ton of criticism by simply throwing (at least somewhat) that series against Reynor at Blizzcon, and then not figuring out the proper response to Zest's hatch block into adept pressures. He's easily got the best current ZvZ (not sure how this is debatable), so he would have had probably a 60%+ chance of winning both those Premiers. He wins either of those, and a lot of this tired debate wouldn't be happening. Alas.
He was pretty close to figuring out Zest, remember the 4 lings against 8 adepts? lol
On May 03 2020 06:44 Rubicant1 wrote: Honestly, Serral opening himself to a ton of criticism by simply throwing (at least somewhat) that series against Reynor at Blizzcon, and then not figuring out the proper response to Zest's hatch block into adept pressures. He's easily got the best current ZvZ (not sure how this is debatable), so he would have had probably a 60%+ chance of winning both those Premiers. He wins either of those, and a lot of this tired debate wouldn't be happening. Alas.
He was pretty close to figuring out Zest, remember the 4 lings against 8 adepts? lol
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