EPTThere was one category which was "unrivaled Zerg" and almost everyone mentioned Dark or Rogue as the top two. Only Stats I believe mentioned Serral's name.
It's as if they won't fully acknowledge Serral until he wins GSL Code S or something.
Why do Korean pros underrate Serral?
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StuDToSs
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There was one category which was "unrivaled Zerg" and almost everyone mentioned Dark or Rogue as the top two. Only Stats I believe mentioned Serral's name. It's as if they won't fully acknowledge Serral until he wins GSL Code S or something. | ||
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pvsnp
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ssg
United States1770 Posts
Regardless, I'm sure gsl players think gsl is the the best sc2 competition in the world. He will always have that what if about his career unless he shows up to Korea for a real gsl. Not saying he should or shouldnt do that. Probably not worth the resources to him to actually do it, in fact. | ||
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tigon_ridge
482 Posts
On April 30 2020 11:21 StuDToSs wrote: It was interesting to watch the group ceremony of the ro16 and get their thoughts on certain players: there was a segment where a category was given and other players were supposed to mention who they thought fit that category. There was one category which was "unrivaled Zerg" and almost everyone mentioned Dark or Rogue as the top two. Only Stats I believe mentioned Serral's name. It's as if they won't fully acknowledge Serral until he wins GSL Code S or something. You've gotta keep in mind that they have much, much more interaction with Dark and Rogue than Serral, and those two Koreans do kick their butts a lot: on ladder, private practice sessions, and Korean tournaments. Naturally, if you can't seem to a beat a guy, you're inclined to think that probably he's the best of his category. To say that Serral is the best, their minds would have to make a couple leaps of abstraction, to consider all the statistics belonging to Serral, and so it's much less of an intuitive, natural response. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
Of course, that's why it's call recency bias because it's not necessarily logical | ||
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QOGQOG
817 Posts
On April 30 2020 11:53 Bagration wrote: There's also potential recency bias at play here - Serral technically hasn't won a Premier tournament since last November, while Rogue won IEM Katowice in March, and Dark got 2nd in the March GSL Super Tournament (though Serral did finish top 4 at Katowice). Moreover, the last 2 Premier tournaments that Serral won were the Homestory Cup XX and WCS Fall, which took place outside Korea, so it might be further out-of-mind for Korean players. Of course, that's why it's call recency bias because it's not necessarily logical Rating people based on their recent performance is very logical, given that they were being asked about present form. | ||
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eScaper-tsunami
Canada313 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
They aren't biased against Serral--they simply just don't think he's the best zerg at the moment (especially since he hasn't played much recently). And the whole "Serral can't be the best as long as he doesn't play in GSL" is just projection from the community. You can think that Dark is better than him without going into that nonsense. edit: Ah yeah at IEM: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/fady85/pro_players_asked_who_they_think_the_best_player/ | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On April 30 2020 12:06 QOGQOG wrote: Rating people based on their recent performance is very logical, given that they were being asked about present form. True, but it's less that Serral hasn't played well recently (though he hasn't been unbeatable this year like his legendary 2018 run), and more that Serral hasn't been as visible recently in terms of hoisting trophies. For example, he outperformed Dark at IEM Katowice. | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
I Don t think any Korean is underestimating him, they were just referring to GSL. The Argument "he wasn t that good recently" brought up before is probably not realy the reason. Serral had a better Result than Dark at IEM and Rogue just flopped out of Super Tournament 1 and GSL | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
Rogue and Dark both won Code S last year while Serral did not even participate. It's easy, for me, to see why GSL players wouldn't place Serral above Dark and Rogue right now. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
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tigon_ridge
482 Posts
On April 30 2020 14:34 FFW_Rude wrote: Remove region lock and you'll get why. Tell that to the GSL organizers. No one should have to stay in your country for months, unless your prize pool is at least double its current amount. Unless they remove their defacto region lock, foreigners should hang onto theirs. Serral would already have at least 4 GSL wins under his belt by now, and that's if he were unlucky. He would also leave his groups first place more often than any other GSLer. | ||
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parksonsc
175 Posts
On April 30 2020 14:45 tigon_ridge wrote: Tell that to the GSL organizers. No one should have to stay in your country for months, unless your prize pool is at least double its current amount. Unless they remove their defacto region lock, foreigners should hang onto theirs. Serral would already have at least 4 GSL wins under his belt by now, and that's if he were unlucky. He would also leave his groups first place more often than any other GSLer. ??? GSL is a long-run tournament, if you can't stay in Korea then don't play it. Why should they change the format to make it easier for foreigners to join in? | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On April 30 2020 15:05 parksonsc wrote: ??? GSL is a long-run tournament, if you can't stay in Korea then don't play it. Why should they change the format to make it easier for foreigners to join in? GSL is a soft-locked Tournament, where you can only participate, if you live in Seol over an extendet period of time. So it would make kind of sense, to remove the soft lock, when you re removing the hard region lock from the foreign tourneys as well. I personally like the different formats, both weekenders, where you have to adapt on the fly and preperation heavy long running tournaments. That s why I think hos suggestion is bad, but I at least see where he s coming from.. | ||
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tigon_ridge
482 Posts
On April 30 2020 15:05 parksonsc wrote: ??? GSL is a long-run tournament, if you can't stay in Korea then don't play it. Why should they change the format to make it easier for foreigners to join in? ??? Never said that they should. A defacto region lock is a region lock nevertheless. They have theirs, it's fair the world has its own. Regardless, the main point you missed is that Serral would've collected GSL trophies, if it were worth his time to try. Would also have been fun to count the number of times he would make it into the Ro4. EDIT: I can see how my prior comment came off as saying GSL is unfair in its format. I meant to say, it isn't worth most players' time to stay in a foreign country, whose language and culture are very different, for an extended period, just to try at winning $25k. I don't think Serral really cares all that much about the prestige of the GSL either, since he's already proven he can (and is likely to) beat the best of the Koreans. | ||
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shadow4723
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Waxangel
United States33079 Posts
On April 30 2020 11:21 StuDToSs wrote: It was interesting to watch the group ceremony of the ro16 and get their thoughts on certain players: there was a segment where a category was given and other players were supposed to mention who they thought fit that category. There was one category which was "unrivaled Zerg" and almost everyone mentioned Dark or Rogue as the top two. Only Stats I believe mentioned Serral's name. It's as if they won't fully acknowledge Serral until he wins GSL Code S or something. I wouldn't read too deeply into it. At Katowice they did a similar rapid-fire questions kind of video and most of the players answered Serral. It's a fairly open ended question anyway (I think it was better translated as "best" Zerg). Stats interpreted it as weighing total career accomplishments and thought about Dark, Rogue, and Serral for a second. Other players gave faster answers without thinking about it too much. It's a for-fun segment, not some definitive, irrevocable declaration of opinion. Don't think about it too hard; I doubt many of the progamers did  | ||
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Anc13nt
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