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A lot of you here seems to have been around since only the last 2 years or so.
The truth is, since the beginning of WoL, and maybe sc1 (didnt follow that game), koreans only really cared about 2 things: GSL, and Proleague. Even Blizzcon was significantly less important. I have been watching since WoL, went to Korea 3 times and even married 1 korean whos family are really big on sc2 so I know a decent amount.
So yeah, until Serral plays in GSL, he can win every other tournament, korean pros wont rate him as high as some unqualified Serral fanboys do here.
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On May 01 2020 00:00 a7xEnsiferum wrote:
A lot of you here seems to have been around since only the last 2 years or so.
The truth is, since the beginning of WoL, and maybe sc1 (didnt follow that game), koreans only really cared about 2 things: GSL, and Proleague. Even Blizzcon was significantly less important. I have been watching since WoL, went to Korea 3 times and even married 1 korean whos family are really big on sc2 so I know a decent amount.
So yeah, until Serral plays in GSL, he can win every other tournament, korean pros wont rate him as high as some unqualified Serral fanboys do here.
Can you please inform us all, what are the qualifications to be a "qualified" Serral fanboy? I do love how the level of discussion is deteriorating page by page...
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At IEM and a HSC a majority of Korean pros say Serral.
Koreans have a lot of respect for Serral.
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As pointed out, Serral is really respected by the koreans, countless of their statements exactly contradict the majority of the "experts" who responded to you.
As early as march/april 2018 classic already called serral the best or one of the top 3 players in the world. They might even overestimate him as they are not that used to be contested by white guys. (I got the same feeling with Stephano despite the fact I am a big fan of the pink power)
Now, you came in the wrong website with many "purists" who want to be more pro koreans than the korean will ever be like the bw elitists were in their time.
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even if there were a meaningful answer to the question asked by the OP, what would anyone gain from that answer? what's the point of even thinking about this stuff other than to create fake nationalist drama?
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On May 01 2020 00:37 stilt wrote:
As pointed out, Serral is really respected by the koreans, countless of their statements exactly contradict the majority of the "experts" who responded to you.
As early as march/april 2018 classic already called serral the best or one of the top 3 players in the world. They might even overestimate him as they are not that used to be contested by white guys. (I got the same feeling with Stephano despite the fact I am a big fan of the pink power)
Now, you came in the wrong website with many "purists" who want to be more pro koreans than the korean will ever be like the bw elitists were in their time.
Almost everyone responded with - they respect him, there are currently bigger zergs at the scene, especially at the Korean scene.
So who are the majority you write about? Or the purists? Many contradict only Serral being the GOAT or the best, not his playing qualities, so, uh. Quote them posts, plx.
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What Dark showed since last summer pretty much makes him the best now. Rogue just won Iem. Serral needs a big win again.
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Why are Serral fans so insecure? Can you imagine anyone else's fans coming here to complain because some pros didn't mention their favorite player?
I imagine these threads will become rampant once the patch hits.
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To the credit of Serral fans,, I remember in Blizzcon 2019, Dark was going in as the most accomplished player in 2019 but I remember most TL people (including myself) still considered Serral one of the favourites. I think it is because he is stronger than what his achievements suggest. He only really has Blizzcon, iEM and GSL vs the World to show his skill against top Koreans so he can't win nearly as many top tournaments as Rogue or Dark. He's not transcendent anymore but he's still up there with Rogue, Maru and Dark..
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On April 30 2020 18:41 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 18:05 tigon_ridge wrote:On April 30 2020 17:38 deacon.frost wrote:On April 30 2020 15:25 tigon_ridge wrote:On April 30 2020 15:05 parksonsc wrote:On April 30 2020 14:45 tigon_ridge wrote:On April 30 2020 14:34 FFW_Rude wrote:
Remove region lock and you'll get why. Tell that to the GSL organizers. No one should have to stay in your country for months, unless your prize pool is at least double its current amount. Unless they remove their defacto region lock, foreigners should hang onto theirs. Serral would already have at least 4 GSL wins under his belt by now, and that's if he were unlucky. He would also leave his groups first place more often than any other GSLer. ??? GSL is a long-run tournament, if you can't stay in Korea then don't play it. Why should they change the format to make it easier for foreigners to join in? ??? Never said that they should. A defacto region lock is a region lock nevertheless. They have theirs, it's fair the world has its own. Regardless, the main point you missed is that Serral would've collected GSL trophies, if it were worth his time to try. Would also have been fun to count the number of times he would make it into the Ro4. .... How many Blizzcon titles does he have? 1. IEM titles? 0 That's from what, 3 Blizzcons and 5 IEMs? Why do you think he would have won so many when nothing points towards it? At best his history shows he would be reaching RO4s. Nothjing shows he would be winning consistently against the very best as his history shows. In the meantime Rogue won Blizzcon and 2 IEMs. Edit> eh, wrong post to quote, but w/e, The likes of you keep saying the same thing every time like a broken record, and each time I gave you the same multi-paragraph lecture about statistics and probability, that you never understood. Each time you reveal your ignorance of the volatility of these tournaments, and each time you willfully ignore your favorite players' losses and failure. Wins have to be weighed against fails when evaluating players' overall ability, yet you always state the same one-dimensional argument, only counting tourney wins and ignoring those abject fails your favorite GSL players made. Serral had made it far into almost every tournament he hadn't won. He consistently ranks #1 in his groups, and has never failed to make it out. You cannot say the same for any of your favorite Koreans. He also has an overwhelmingly positive w/l record against just about every Korean, except Maru, and especially if you start from 2018 onward, yet you say, "nothing shows he would be winning consistently against the very best." It's not funny anymore. I'm not denying he would go far, I'm denyin he would won multiple titles. As nothing from the top tournaments show this.
They show plenty that he would. The top tournaments also shows Maru bombs out of groupstages occasionally; Dark gets his clock cleaned by Rogue consistently, and occasionally by much worse zergs like Elazer, Ragnarok, etc.; and Rogue suffers some combination of both, except with even more vT and vP losses sprinkled in. The top tournaments shows Serral manhandling consistently every Korean player except the guy who seems forbidden by the RNG deity from facing him. Maybe...you're just willfully ignorant?
On April 30 2020 20:50 MarianoSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 18:05 tigon_ridge wrote:On April 30 2020 17:38 deacon.frost wrote:On April 30 2020 15:25 tigon_ridge wrote:On April 30 2020 15:05 parksonsc wrote:On April 30 2020 14:45 tigon_ridge wrote:On April 30 2020 14:34 FFW_Rude wrote:
Remove region lock and you'll get why. Tell that to the GSL organizers. No one should have to stay in your country for months, unless your prize pool is at least double its current amount. Unless they remove their defacto region lock, foreigners should hang onto theirs. Serral would already have at least 4 GSL wins under his belt by now, and that's if he were unlucky. He would also leave his groups first place more often than any other GSLer. ??? GSL is a long-run tournament, if you can't stay in Korea then don't play it. Why should they change the format to make it easier for foreigners to join in? ??? Never said that they should. A defacto region lock is a region lock nevertheless. They have theirs, it's fair the world has its own. Regardless, the main point you missed is that Serral would've collected GSL trophies, if it were worth his time to try. Would also have been fun to count the number of times he would make it into the Ro4. .... How many Blizzcon titles does he have? 1. IEM titles? 0 That's from what, 3 Blizzcons and 5 IEMs? Why do you think he would have won so many when nothing points towards it? At best his history shows he would be reaching RO4s. Nothjing shows he would be winning consistently against the very best as his history shows. In the meantime Rogue won Blizzcon and 2 IEMs. Edit> eh, wrong post to quote, but w/e, The likes of you keep saying the same thing every time like a broken record, and each time I gave you the same multi-paragraph lecture about statistics and probability, that you never understood. Each time you reveal your ignorance of the volatility of these tournaments, and each time you willfully ignore your favorite players' losses and failure. Wins have to be weighed against fails when evaluating players' overall ability, yet you always state the same one-dimensional argument, only counting tourney wins and ignoring those abject fails your favorite GSL players made. Serral had made it far into almost every tournament he hadn't won. He consistently ranks #1 in his groups, and has never failed to make it out. You cannot say the same for any of your favorite Koreans. He also has an overwhelmingly positive w/l record against just about every Korean, except Maru, and especially if you start from 2018 onward, yet you say, "nothing shows he would be winning consistently against the very best." It's not funny anymore. We are all like broken records, because we have different sets of criteria and different methods of interpreting the statistics. While yours and Xain0n methods are blatantly wrong and ridiculous, ours have merit. That is the difference between us and that is why no matter how many times you try to promote your dumb arguments, they will never be accepted here. To put it as simple as possible for lesser minds incapable of processing information the correct way, Serral is not playing with the top dogs for most of the year. That is why he seems so dominant. He always reaches the top no matter what. But on the top, he is no more dominant that any top Korean. Statistics prove that. He has won 1 from 7 WC tournaments. There really is no argument in the world you can use to diminish this fact. GSL would be no different. Yes, he is the most consistent player in the world for a couple of years now, and absolutely one of the best. And yes, we might assume he would consistently make top 8 in GSL. But would he be winning it? There is absolutely no way we can say that unless he tries and wins at least one. And from what we have seen (1 from 7), the probability he would win is quite small. Rogue and Dark have achieved much more than Serral and proven themselves against top competition time and time again. Its only natural that the top dogs have them in higher regard, although as we have seen on IEM interviews, they hold Serral really high as well.
Not the top dogs this year? Wow, you've just insulted Innovation, Dream, Cure, soO, and Solar. And why stop at just this year? Why not include a bit of 2019 at least?
Number of tournament wins is not a fucking statistic! The sample size you're talking about is literally a single digit—that's not how statistics works! Good god, what are they teaching kids in school? You must consider bullshitting a competitive sport. You'd win a gold medal for sure.
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It's not even close. Important to note: Serral's mantel doesn't even include the heads of low-to-mid-tier Koreans. If he played against them, you could probably up his vs-Korean percentages by another couple points.
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On April 30 2020 18:52 parksonsc wrote:
In Serral's entire career he only won 3 major titles which had Korean participated: GSL vs the World is an invitational tournaments while Blizzcon is a half Invitational one as well, basically 6 of the foreigners were free wins. The most competitive one are GSL and IEM, he won none of those, take it fanboys.
and how many did he participate in that he didn't win?
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I love reading the comments of serral fanboys
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On May 01 2020 22:10 tigon_ridge wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 18:41 deacon.frost wrote:On April 30 2020 18:05 tigon_ridge wrote:On April 30 2020 17:38 deacon.frost wrote:On April 30 2020 15:25 tigon_ridge wrote:On April 30 2020 15:05 parksonsc wrote:On April 30 2020 14:45 tigon_ridge wrote:On April 30 2020 14:34 FFW_Rude wrote:
Remove region lock and you'll get why. Tell that to the GSL organizers. No one should have to stay in your country for months, unless your prize pool is at least double its current amount. Unless they remove their defacto region lock, foreigners should hang onto theirs. Serral would already have at least 4 GSL wins under his belt by now, and that's if he were unlucky. He would also leave his groups first place more often than any other GSLer. ??? GSL is a long-run tournament, if you can't stay in Korea then don't play it. Why should they change the format to make it easier for foreigners to join in? ??? Never said that they should. A defacto region lock is a region lock nevertheless. They have theirs, it's fair the world has its own. Regardless, the main point you missed is that Serral would've collected GSL trophies, if it were worth his time to try. Would also have been fun to count the number of times he would make it into the Ro4. .... How many Blizzcon titles does he have? 1. IEM titles? 0 That's from what, 3 Blizzcons and 5 IEMs? Why do you think he would have won so many when nothing points towards it? At best his history shows he would be reaching RO4s. Nothjing shows he would be winning consistently against the very best as his history shows. In the meantime Rogue won Blizzcon and 2 IEMs. Edit> eh, wrong post to quote, but w/e, The likes of you keep saying the same thing every time like a broken record, and each time I gave you the same multi-paragraph lecture about statistics and probability, that you never understood. Each time you reveal your ignorance of the volatility of these tournaments, and each time you willfully ignore your favorite players' losses and failure. Wins have to be weighed against fails when evaluating players' overall ability, yet you always state the same one-dimensional argument, only counting tourney wins and ignoring those abject fails your favorite GSL players made. Serral had made it far into almost every tournament he hadn't won. He consistently ranks #1 in his groups, and has never failed to make it out. You cannot say the same for any of your favorite Koreans. He also has an overwhelmingly positive w/l record against just about every Korean, except Maru, and especially if you start from 2018 onward, yet you say, "nothing shows he would be winning consistently against the very best." It's not funny anymore. I'm not denying he would go far, I'm denyin he would won multiple titles. As nothing from the top tournaments show this. They show plenty that he would. The top tournaments also shows Maru bombs out of groupstages occasionally; Dark gets his clock cleaned by Rogue consistently, and occasionally by much worse zergs like Elazer, Ragnarok, etc.; and Rogue suffers some combination of both, except with even more vT and vP losses sprinkled in. The top tournaments shows Serral manhandling consistently every Korean player except the guy who seems forbidden by the RNG deity from facing him. Maybe...you're just willfully ignorant? Show nested quote +On April 30 2020 20:50 MarianoSC2 wrote:On April 30 2020 18:05 tigon_ridge wrote:On April 30 2020 17:38 deacon.frost wrote:On April 30 2020 15:25 tigon_ridge wrote:On April 30 2020 15:05 parksonsc wrote:On April 30 2020 14:45 tigon_ridge wrote:On April 30 2020 14:34 FFW_Rude wrote:
Remove region lock and you'll get why. Tell that to the GSL organizers. No one should have to stay in your country for months, unless your prize pool is at least double its current amount. Unless they remove their defacto region lock, foreigners should hang onto theirs. Serral would already have at least 4 GSL wins under his belt by now, and that's if he were unlucky. He would also leave his groups first place more often than any other GSLer. ??? GSL is a long-run tournament, if you can't stay in Korea then don't play it. Why should they change the format to make it easier for foreigners to join in? ??? Never said that they should. A defacto region lock is a region lock nevertheless. They have theirs, it's fair the world has its own. Regardless, the main point you missed is that Serral would've collected GSL trophies, if it were worth his time to try. Would also have been fun to count the number of times he would make it into the Ro4. .... How many Blizzcon titles does he have? 1. IEM titles? 0 That's from what, 3 Blizzcons and 5 IEMs? Why do you think he would have won so many when nothing points towards it? At best his history shows he would be reaching RO4s. Nothjing shows he would be winning consistently against the very best as his history shows. In the meantime Rogue won Blizzcon and 2 IEMs. Edit> eh, wrong post to quote, but w/e, The likes of you keep saying the same thing every time like a broken record, and each time I gave you the same multi-paragraph lecture about statistics and probability, that you never understood. Each time you reveal your ignorance of the volatility of these tournaments, and each time you willfully ignore your favorite players' losses and failure. Wins have to be weighed against fails when evaluating players' overall ability, yet you always state the same one-dimensional argument, only counting tourney wins and ignoring those abject fails your favorite GSL players made. Serral had made it far into almost every tournament he hadn't won. He consistently ranks #1 in his groups, and has never failed to make it out. You cannot say the same for any of your favorite Koreans. He also has an overwhelmingly positive w/l record against just about every Korean, except Maru, and especially if you start from 2018 onward, yet you say, "nothing shows he would be winning consistently against the very best." It's not funny anymore. We are all like broken records, because we have different sets of criteria and different methods of interpreting the statistics. While yours and Xain0n methods are blatantly wrong and ridiculous, ours have merit. That is the difference between us and that is why no matter how many times you try to promote your dumb arguments, they will never be accepted here. To put it as simple as possible for lesser minds incapable of processing information the correct way, Serral is not playing with the top dogs for most of the year. That is why he seems so dominant. He always reaches the top no matter what. But on the top, he is no more dominant that any top Korean. Statistics prove that. He has won 1 from 7 WC tournaments. There really is no argument in the world you can use to diminish this fact. GSL would be no different. Yes, he is the most consistent player in the world for a couple of years now, and absolutely one of the best. And yes, we might assume he would consistently make top 8 in GSL. But would he be winning it? There is absolutely no way we can say that unless he tries and wins at least one. And from what we have seen (1 from 7), the probability he would win is quite small. Rogue and Dark have achieved much more than Serral and proven themselves against top competition time and time again. Its only natural that the top dogs have them in higher regard, although as we have seen on IEM interviews, they hold Serral really high as well. Not the top dogs this year? Wow, you've just insulted Innovation, Dream, Cure, soO, and Solar. And why stop at just this year? Why not include a bit of 2019 at least? Number of tournament wins is not a fucking statistic! The sample size you're talking about is literally a single digit—that's not how statistics works! Good god, what are they teaching kids in school? You must consider bullshitting a competitive sport. You'd win a gold medal for sure. It's not even close. Important to note: Serral's mantel doesn't even include the heads of low-to-mid-tier Koreans. If he played against them, you could probably up his vs-Korean percentages by another couple points.
Why does this Aligulac god flop at every single opportunity since his big achievement in Blizzcon 2018? TeamLiquid's favorite patchzerg, Rogue vastly outclasses Serral with his results, and he's not even considered as good as Dark or Maru. Fact is: No one gives a shit about who is the bonjwa of WCS welfare circuit and Serral fans are mad people don't acknowledge how he would win 4 GSLs in a row if only he left Finland to play some Starcraft. We are lucky a humble man such as Serral leaves the 500.000 USD he could easily win every year to lesser opponents like Dark and Maru, the guys who bitchslap Serral's italian Nemesis everytime they meet. Yet somehow the GOAT god of Zerg can barely break even with the underaged italian guy after a full year of Zerg welfare circuit.
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Can we just close this thread now?
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On May 02 2020 18:23 Elentos wrote:
Can we just close this thread now?
Too much?
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The only reason to keep this thread open is if mods want to let natural selection take its course.
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On May 02 2020 18:30 Elentos wrote:
The only reason to keep this thread open is if mods want to let natural selection take its course.
God forbid people go into the only remaining Starcraft forum to talk about Starcraft players.
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On May 02 2020 18:42 Morbidius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2020 18:30 Elentos wrote:
The only reason to keep this thread open is if mods want to let natural selection take its course. God forbid people go into the only remaining Starcraft forum to talk about Starcraft players.
If only people were passionate enough to spend this much time debating literally anything other than if Serral is the best player.
There's only so many times you can see the same people presenting the same stupid arguments in favour of the same player before you should really just give up.
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On May 02 2020 18:17 Morbidius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2020 22:10 tigon_ridge wrote:On April 30 2020 18:41 deacon.frost wrote:On April 30 2020 18:05 tigon_ridge wrote:On April 30 2020 17:38 deacon.frost wrote:On April 30 2020 15:25 tigon_ridge wrote:On April 30 2020 15:05 parksonsc wrote:On April 30 2020 14:45 tigon_ridge wrote:On April 30 2020 14:34 FFW_Rude wrote:
Remove region lock and you'll get why. Tell that to the GSL organizers. No one should have to stay in your country for months, unless your prize pool is at least double its current amount. Unless they remove their defacto region lock, foreigners should hang onto theirs. Serral would already have at least 4 GSL wins under his belt by now, and that's if he were unlucky. He would also leave his groups first place more often than any other GSLer. ??? GSL is a long-run tournament, if you can't stay in Korea then don't play it. Why should they change the format to make it easier for foreigners to join in? ??? Never said that they should. A defacto region lock is a region lock nevertheless. They have theirs, it's fair the world has its own. Regardless, the main point you missed is that Serral would've collected GSL trophies, if it were worth his time to try. Would also have been fun to count the number of times he would make it into the Ro4. .... How many Blizzcon titles does he have? 1. IEM titles? 0 That's from what, 3 Blizzcons and 5 IEMs? Why do you think he would have won so many when nothing points towards it? At best his history shows he would be reaching RO4s. Nothjing shows he would be winning consistently against the very best as his history shows. In the meantime Rogue won Blizzcon and 2 IEMs. Edit> eh, wrong post to quote, but w/e, The likes of you keep saying the same thing every time like a broken record, and each time I gave you the same multi-paragraph lecture about statistics and probability, that you never understood. Each time you reveal your ignorance of the volatility of these tournaments, and each time you willfully ignore your favorite players' losses and failure. Wins have to be weighed against fails when evaluating players' overall ability, yet you always state the same one-dimensional argument, only counting tourney wins and ignoring those abject fails your favorite GSL players made. Serral had made it far into almost every tournament he hadn't won. He consistently ranks #1 in his groups, and has never failed to make it out. You cannot say the same for any of your favorite Koreans. He also has an overwhelmingly positive w/l record against just about every Korean, except Maru, and especially if you start from 2018 onward, yet you say, "nothing shows he would be winning consistently against the very best." It's not funny anymore. I'm not denying he would go far, I'm denyin he would won multiple titles. As nothing from the top tournaments show this. They show plenty that he would. The top tournaments also shows Maru bombs out of groupstages occasionally; Dark gets his clock cleaned by Rogue consistently, and occasionally by much worse zergs like Elazer, Ragnarok, etc.; and Rogue suffers some combination of both, except with even more vT and vP losses sprinkled in. The top tournaments shows Serral manhandling consistently every Korean player except the guy who seems forbidden by the RNG deity from facing him. Maybe...you're just willfully ignorant? On April 30 2020 20:50 MarianoSC2 wrote:On April 30 2020 18:05 tigon_ridge wrote:On April 30 2020 17:38 deacon.frost wrote:On April 30 2020 15:25 tigon_ridge wrote:On April 30 2020 15:05 parksonsc wrote:On April 30 2020 14:45 tigon_ridge wrote:On April 30 2020 14:34 FFW_Rude wrote:
Remove region lock and you'll get why. Tell that to the GSL organizers. No one should have to stay in your country for months, unless your prize pool is at least double its current amount. Unless they remove their defacto region lock, foreigners should hang onto theirs. Serral would already have at least 4 GSL wins under his belt by now, and that's if he were unlucky. He would also leave his groups first place more often than any other GSLer. ??? GSL is a long-run tournament, if you can't stay in Korea then don't play it. Why should they change the format to make it easier for foreigners to join in? ??? Never said that they should. A defacto region lock is a region lock nevertheless. They have theirs, it's fair the world has its own. Regardless, the main point you missed is that Serral would've collected GSL trophies, if it were worth his time to try. Would also have been fun to count the number of times he would make it into the Ro4. .... How many Blizzcon titles does he have? 1. IEM titles? 0 That's from what, 3 Blizzcons and 5 IEMs? Why do you think he would have won so many when nothing points towards it? At best his history shows he would be reaching RO4s. Nothjing shows he would be winning consistently against the very best as his history shows. In the meantime Rogue won Blizzcon and 2 IEMs. Edit> eh, wrong post to quote, but w/e, The likes of you keep saying the same thing every time like a broken record, and each time I gave you the same multi-paragraph lecture about statistics and probability, that you never understood. Each time you reveal your ignorance of the volatility of these tournaments, and each time you willfully ignore your favorite players' losses and failure. Wins have to be weighed against fails when evaluating players' overall ability, yet you always state the same one-dimensional argument, only counting tourney wins and ignoring those abject fails your favorite GSL players made. Serral had made it far into almost every tournament he hadn't won. He consistently ranks #1 in his groups, and has never failed to make it out. You cannot say the same for any of your favorite Koreans. He also has an overwhelmingly positive w/l record against just about every Korean, except Maru, and especially if you start from 2018 onward, yet you say, "nothing shows he would be winning consistently against the very best." It's not funny anymore. We are all like broken records, because we have different sets of criteria and different methods of interpreting the statistics. While yours and Xain0n methods are blatantly wrong and ridiculous, ours have merit. That is the difference between us and that is why no matter how many times you try to promote your dumb arguments, they will never be accepted here. To put it as simple as possible for lesser minds incapable of processing information the correct way, Serral is not playing with the top dogs for most of the year. That is why he seems so dominant. He always reaches the top no matter what. But on the top, he is no more dominant that any top Korean. Statistics prove that. He has won 1 from 7 WC tournaments. There really is no argument in the world you can use to diminish this fact. GSL would be no different. Yes, he is the most consistent player in the world for a couple of years now, and absolutely one of the best. And yes, we might assume he would consistently make top 8 in GSL. But would he be winning it? There is absolutely no way we can say that unless he tries and wins at least one. And from what we have seen (1 from 7), the probability he would win is quite small. Rogue and Dark have achieved much more than Serral and proven themselves against top competition time and time again. Its only natural that the top dogs have them in higher regard, although as we have seen on IEM interviews, they hold Serral really high as well. Not the top dogs this year? Wow, you've just insulted Innovation, Dream, Cure, soO, and Solar. And why stop at just this year? Why not include a bit of 2019 at least? Number of tournament wins is not a fucking statistic! The sample size you're talking about is literally a single digit—that's not how statistics works! Good god, what are they teaching kids in school? You must consider bullshitting a competitive sport. You'd win a gold medal for sure. It's not even close. Important to note: Serral's mantel doesn't even include the heads of low-to-mid-tier Koreans. If he played against them, you could probably up his vs-Korean percentages by another couple points. Why does this Aligulac god flop at every single opportunity since his big achievement in Blizzcon 2018? TeamLiquid's favorite patchzerg, Rogue vastly outclasses Serral with his results, and he's not even considered as good as Dark or Maru. Fact is: No one gives a shit about who is the bonjwa of WCS welfare circuit and Serral fans are mad people don't acknowledge how he would win 4 GSLs in a row if only he left Finland to play some Starcraft. We are lucky a humble man such as Serral leaves the 500.000 USD he could easily win every year to lesser opponents like Dark and Maru, the guys who bitchslap Serral's italian Nemesis everytime they meet. Yet somehow the GOAT god of Zerg can barely break even with the underaged italian guy after a full year of Zerg welfare circuit.
Slow clap.
That's an impressive amount of clowning compressed into one paragraph. Rogue's results, compared to Serral's, has been awful, getting run over by so many players: Innovation, Scarlett, some guy named dynamite, Parting, Cure, and sOs—all either consumed by Serral, or not even worthy of being on his dinner plate. Serral v Reynor is 18-7 since 08-2019, and 46-23 overall. "Barely break even." Thanks for the amusement. More, please. Can I also get an animal balloon?
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On May 02 2020 18:54 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2020 18:42 Morbidius wrote:On May 02 2020 18:30 Elentos wrote:
The only reason to keep this thread open is if mods want to let natural selection take its course. God forbid people go into the only remaining Starcraft forum to talk about Starcraft players. If only people were passionate enough to spend this much time debating literally anything other than if Serral is the best player. There's only so many times you can see the same people presenting the same stupid arguments against the same player before you should really just give up.
Fixed it for you. Good observation. I'm right with you.
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