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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On September 25 2018 02:40 Plansix wrote: Trump is to chicken shit to fire him and he isn’t going to resign. Unless Trump grows a spine, he isn’t leaving. You really think that there is a chance that Rosenstein survives the NYT story? No way. Trump is chewing his food. He is perp-walking Rosenstein. The ax will fall soon enough. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23222 Posts
On September 25 2018 02:51 xDaunt wrote: You really think that there is a chance that Rosenstein survives the NYT story? No way. Trump is chewing his food. He is perp-walking Rosenstein. The ax will fall soon enough. My take is Trump tried to pawn this off on his staff ("Make him resign") and they advised against it. Since Trump was out of the office they didn't do anything, now Trump's saying "Fine I'll do it myself on Thursday". Whether he will or not, or whether firing him will get him the results he wants are yet to be determined but after midterms a bunch of people are gone. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 25 2018 02:51 xDaunt wrote: You really think that there is a chance that Rosenstein survives the NYT story? No way. Trump is chewing his food. He is perp-walking Rosenstein. The ax will fall soon enough. Trump didn’t fire people in person in the private sector and reportedly hated in person conflict. If he is going to fire Rosenstein, he will pawn it off on staff. But also he is chicken shit. And firing Rosenstein won’t change shit anyways. All the pending cases will just chug along. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
Senate Majority leader Mitch McConnell said Monday that all 100 senators will soon vote on President Donald Trump's embattled Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, no matter what results from a closely watched Judiciary Committee set for Thursday. 'Judge Kavanaugh will be voted on here on the Senate floor. Up or down on the Senate floor,' an indignant McConnell said in a fiery speech. 'This fine nominee to the Supreme Court will receive a vote in this Senate in the near future,' he pledged. Source. Good to see that McConnell and the GOP are showing some spine. This nonsense that has been sprung by the democrats should not be tolerated or given any quarter. If there were any corroboration to any of these allegations, fine, hold up the vote. But like Grassley said, there's no point ruining a man's life over baseless smears. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23222 Posts
On September 25 2018 06:42 xDaunt wrote: Source. Good to see that McConnell and the GOP are showing some spine. This nonsense that has been sprung by the democrats should not be tolerated or given any quarter. If there were any corroboration to any of these allegations, fine, hold up the vote. But like Grassley said, there's no point ruining a man's life over baseless smears. My opinion if Democrats actually wanted to take a stand on this they should have just refused him outright and held him up by not participating in the judicial committee and making Republicans find some procedural work around to get him out of committee without any Democrats there (they can't bring the vote to move him out of committee without a quorum which requires at least 1 Democrat). I mean it's not exactly the hill I would have chose to die on as McConnell but I can understand being hopeful that he does. If 2016-1018 was any sort of preview for 2018-2020 it is going to be obnoxiously stupid and Democrats will probably lose. Which is hard to even say because Trump is so awful at damn near everything except for what we reward in our society, which imo, are some of the worst qualities he possesses. But centrists that don't put social issues high on their list (focus more on "the economy" and how they feel about their life/position) are going to have a hard time ignoring that Trump isn't doing half bad from a neoliberal economics perspective. Especially if you're not big into the welfare part of neoliberal economics. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On September 25 2018 06:42 xDaunt wrote: Source. Good to see that McConnell and the GOP are showing some spine. This nonsense that has been sprung by the democrats should not be tolerated or given any quarter. If there were any corroboration to any of these allegations, fine, hold up the vote. But like Grassley said, there's no point ruining a man's life over baseless smears. You know, I think this justice issue is only going so well because the Democrats are clearing overreacting to uncorroborated accusations, and Americans don’t want a standard of “believe all accusations from anyone” in politics. The move from Monday to Thursday hearing is returning some undeserved leniency, but only a measured amount, which is appropriate. I can accept that and it puts them in the clear. I only hope enough of America is tuned in to some capacity on this farce from the Democrats so they can get up and vote. They need a serious realigning in 2020 for the good of the country and moderates. The Republicans are spineless grifters and most deserve to get hauled out of there ... but not to be replaced by these thoroughly despicable characters. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23222 Posts
On September 25 2018 07:21 Danglars wrote: You know, I think this justice issue is only going so well because the Democrats are clearing overreacting to uncorroborated accusations, and Americans don’t want a standard of “believe all accusations from anyone” in politics. The move from Monday to Thursday hearing is returning some undeserved leniency, but only a measured amount, which is appropriate. I can accept that and it puts them in the clear. I only hope enough of America is tuned in to some capacity on this farce from the Democrats so they can get up and vote. They need a serious realigning in 2020 for the good of the country and moderates. The Republicans are spineless grifters and most deserve to get hauled out of there ... but not to be replaced by these thoroughly despicable characters. It depends on who Democrats nominate and if something seriously world changing happens or not but you're looking more at further depressed turnout overall with some pockets of extremely high turnout mostly as a result of specific more local races. I'd almost guarantee that turnout will be lower than Obama in '08 because both sides are full of shit and more of the country sees that than pledges to either party, but there's no "fire all these assholes (except the few I like)" line on the ballot. Otherwise it'd probably win in a landslide. (note this is different than "none of the above") | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On September 25 2018 07:09 GreenHorizons wrote: My opinion if Democrats actually wanted to take a stand on this they should have just refused him outright and held him up by not participating in the judicial committee and making Republicans find some procedural work around to get him out of committee without any Democrats there (they can't bring the vote to move him out of committee without a quorum which requires at least 1 Democrat). I mean it's not exactly the hill I would have chose to die on as McConnell but I can understand being hopeful that he does. If 2016-1018 was any sort of preview for 2018-2020 it is going to be obnoxiously stupid and Democrats will probably lose. Which is hard to even say because Trump is so awful at damn near everything except for what we reward in our society, which imo, are some of the worst qualities he possesses. But centrists that don't put social issues high on their list (focus more on "the economy" and how they feel about their life/position) are going to have a hard time ignoring that Trump isn't doing half bad from a neoliberal economics perspective. Especially if you're not big into the welfare part of neoliberal economics. Yeah, I tend to think that refusal to participate in the process would have been more effective than this smear campaign if the democrats really wanted to make a statement. And I think you're prior comment about the (white) female vote is spot on. It's hard to see them caring about Kavanaugh allegedly whipping his dick out when they voted for Trump without blinking an eye. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On September 25 2018 07:21 Danglars wrote: You know, I think this justice issue is only going so well because the Democrats are clearing overreacting to uncorroborated accusations, and Americans don’t want a standard of “believe all accusations from anyone” in politics. The move from Monday to Thursday hearing is returning some undeserved leniency, but only a measured amount, which is appropriate. I can accept that and it puts them in the clear. I only hope enough of America is tuned in to some capacity on this farce from the Democrats so they can get up and vote. They need a serious realigning in 2020 for the good of the country and moderates. The Republicans are spineless grifters and most deserve to get hauled out of there ... but not to be replaced by these thoroughly despicable characters. We'll see how this shakes out, but I'm not sure that democrats can get away with these types of shenanigans anymore. Their hold on the media and information isn't what it used to be. Conservatives are better plugged in and networked than ever. If nothing else, Trump's win in 2016 signaled a sea change in the political landscape, particularly as it pertains to the media and information. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
Forty-five percent of Americans now have a favorable view of the Republican Party, a nine-point gain from last September's 36%. It is the party's most positive image since it registered 47% in January 2011, shortly after taking control of the House in the 2010 midterm elections. Forty-four percent give the Democratic Party a favorable rating. The parity in Republicans' and Democrats' favorable ratings marks a change from what has generally been the case since Barack Obama's election as president in November 2008. Republicans have usually been rated less positively than Democrats over this time, with the Republican Party's favorability rating for the last decade averaging 39%, compared with the Democratic Party's 44%. Source / Gallup. Take special note of the huge swings towards the GOP among the middle class and among women. Looks like pussy grabbing is in! | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23222 Posts
On September 25 2018 10:31 xDaunt wrote: See, liberals and leftists? GH is a prophet. You should start listening to him more instead of dismissing his comments out of hand: Source / Gallup. Take special note of the huge swings towards the GOP among the middle class and among women. Looks like pussy grabbing is in! I'm reminded of the quote: You know why people don't like liberals? Because they lose. If liberals are so fucking smart, how come they lose so goddamn always? If I believed we were actually trapped in a two party system and any hope for another option as futile as liberals say, it'd only make sense to just get rich saying dumb shit Republicans want me to and will gobble up because I'm Black. Like Sheriff Clark is a complete tool, but Republicans pretend like he's not an idiot because he cosigns some stupid stuff you can only find a handful of Black people in the whole country to say. The Democratic party doesn't make any damn sense without the Republican party. Republicans for all their terrible ideology at least have some skeleton of one. Democrats ideology is almost exclusively positional relative to Republicans. If Republicans followed you and supported socialized healthcare, and campaign finance reform there'd be basically nothing of substance left to support Democrats for. Their policy on race looks good for the cameras but one look at Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore or NYC, shows you that they are just as bad and sometimes worse than some Republican hick town in Alabama. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23222 Posts
(reporter for national journal) It blows my mind these people can find work at all let alone on the campaign that's supposed to be carrying the progressive banner for the party. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
EDIT: He also took a dump on China over trade stuff and announced that the US not only will not rejoin the human rights council, but also that it will not recognize the jurisdiction of the ICC. EDIT2: Excellent, Trump is going to start pulling foreign aid. EDIT3: Trump announced the right policies, but he definitely did not look like he enjoyed himself up there. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On September 25 2018 14:38 GreenHorizons wrote: Buried in the drama recently, turns out Democrats desperately want to lose 2020. (reporter for national journal) https://twitter.com/HCTrudo/status/1044261399441100800 It blows my mind these people can find work at all let alone on the campaign that's supposed to be carrying the progressive banner for the party. Limbaugh has a great line that is applicable here: "Losing is a resume enhancer for liberals." | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On September 25 2018 23:50 xDaunt wrote: Looks like the purpose of this speech is to announce the Trump doctrine (which is a return to a classical understanding of nationalism -- right of self-determination) and take a giant shit on Iran. EDIT: He also took a dump on China over trade stuff and announced that the US not only will not rejoin the human rights council, but also that it will not recognize the jurisdiction of the ICC. EDIT2: Excellent, Trump is going to start pulling foreign aid. EDIT3: Trump announced the right policies, but he definitely did not look like he enjoyed himself up there. Trump plus influence of Bolton maybe (hell, Haley too)? Whoever’s the reason his foreign policy speeches/positions is less crazy and more focused deserves a raise. I’ll have to watch the vods tonight. I’m very against the tariffs, but the Iran, Israel, multinational feel-good do-nothing-but-harm orgs is so fucking good. America’s been missing a leader that reminds the world it really comes down to the nation state and not pretenses of a global world order. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On September 26 2018 01:55 Danglars wrote: Trump plus influence of Bolton maybe (hell, Haley too)? Whoever’s the reason his foreign policy speeches/positions is less crazy and more focused deserves a raise. I’ll have to watch the vods tonight. I’m very against the tariffs, but the Iran, Israel, multinational feel-good do-nothing-but-harm orgs is so fucking good. America’s been missing a leader that reminds the world it really comes down to the nation state and not pretenses of a global world order. Huh? That speech is 100% Trump and entirely consistent with what he said during his campaign. Rejecting globalism and promoting nationalism has always been the cornerstone of Trump's foreign policy and is what separated him from most every other republican/conservative of note. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On September 26 2018 02:11 xDaunt wrote: Huh? That speech is 100% Trump and entirely consistent with what he said during his campaign. Rejecting globalism and promoting nationalism has always been the cornerstone of Trump's foreign policy and is what separated him from most every other republican/conservative of note. He strikes me as the kind of person that would say he’s cutting a new deal with Iran, he’s going to cut a new deal with Palestine. The problem with his predecesors was stupid deals. He’s the one that’s going to make a great glorious deal that respects Iran’s needs and Palestine’s needs and will be great for America. Now, these are states that use terrorism and aren’t ashamed about it. I know that’s going to make Trump distrust and deal with them frankly as they deserve. But the unabashed support for Israel and hammering on conservative foreign policy against bad actors surprises me. Where’s the Jared Kushner peace plan that was touted I think in June? I thought we’d have compromises in slighting Israel to win favor from Abbas for a year now. Is it a nod to evangelicals, is it some honest Kushner/Trump take on Abbas and Rouhani, or is it advisors (because Trump has good appointees in this area)? | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On September 26 2018 02:34 Danglars wrote: He strikes me as the kind of person that would say he’s cutting a new deal with Iran, he’s going to cut a new deal with Palestine. The problem with his predecesors was stupid deals. He’s the one that’s going to make a great glorious deal that respects Iran’s needs and Palestine’s needs and will be great for America. Now, these are states that use terrorism and aren’t ashamed about it. I know that’s going to make Trump distrust and deal with them frankly as they deserve. But the unabashed support for Israel and hammering on conservative foreign policy against bad actors surprises me. Where’s the Jared Kushner peace plan that was touted I think in June? I thought we’d have compromises in slighting Israel to win favor from Abbas for a year now. Is it a nod to evangelicals, is it some honest Kushner/Trump take on Abbas and Rouhani, or is it advisors (because Trump has good appointees in this area)? I think you're read on Trump is off. Yes, he says that the previous deals were stupid (and he's right about that), but he's not making deals for the sake of making deals. Everything that he does on the foreign stage is with American interests in mind. And why you'd think that Trump would not have done exactly what he's done as it pertains to Israel is simply baffling. Trump was always incredibly supportive of Israel during his campaign and said that he'd relocate the embassy to Jerusalem during the campaign. As for the Kushner peace plan, Trump is going with the tried and true carrot and stick approach that he always uses. Trump tried to negotiate an acceptable deal, and then yanked funding for the Palestinians when it didn't happen. Again, no one who paid attention during Trump's campaign and took his word for what he was going to do is surprised by anything that Trump has done during his presidency. The only exceptions are Syria and Afghanistan, and it's not really clear what's going on in either case regarding why Trump changed his mind. | ||
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