It's pretty sad I wasn't allowed to post the multiple videos of military personnel shooting unarmed, hungry civilians. Might get trough some heads of leftists who have some moral compass and reasoning capacity.
After the proven faked video that almost brought down Chavez?
Yeah it's all US made montages, because empire. The 3 million expatas roaming latin america are also US agents. Those venezuelans I personally meet doing menial jobs, are on the FBI payroll.
I like how you say this sarcastically as if it isn't viable or possible when it has actually happened before lol.
So do the 3 million expats exist or am I imagining the venezuelans flooding my country?
I have no idea. I'm sure its possible. I can well imagine a situation where 3 million people leave a country. Does that mean I want my government/army/intelligence services going in and 'fixing' it? Not a chance.
No one is arguing for that. That said, given Maduro's military has received at least a decade of support from Cuba (intel and training) and god knows how much money from China and Russia to payoff his cronies, other countries using soft power against him isn't at least making things fairer?
There has been alot of talk of 'intervention' and the EU and US are both already applying pressure. I don't think it will work, but I'm very much against it. Making things fairer isn't really what its about, its about getting allies in the Venezuelan government, which always ends up bad for the country.
Anyway I'm not trying to say anything about Maduro other than I don't trust anything anyone says about him, given that people were saying exactly the same things about Chavez and it all turned out to be lies.
What lies are you talking about? The rampant inflation has been going on since Chavez, he was doing the kind of thing Maduro has been doing on a smaller scale. Hiperinflation has been going on for a decade by now, it's only it took some time to completely destroy a country. Saying "I don't trust anything anyone says" is just turning a blind eye on the long term process of destruction of a country. Arguing if people are starving by deliberate government action or omition is just semantics.
The problem here is that you are focusing on something totally different to me. Chavez was incredibly popular, which is why Maduro got elected in the first place. If you would listen to the voices coming from Venezuela during Chavez's time in charge, you wouldn't think that is the case. This is because the people with the means to get a message out (ie middle class and wealthy people in charge of the media) hated Chavez, just the same as they hate Maduro. This is all pretty irrelevant to me though, because I can't do anything about Maduro, I have no idea what life is like in Venezuela either, I just don't want Western powers getting involved and spreading their shit all over the world. Appealing to me on emotional grounds about the suffering of the Venezuelan upper class probably won't work because I'm so far removed from it that I can't do anything about it.
It certainly seems like the economy is going down the shitter, so if there's an election and someone gets elected that can fix that, then great,I'm happy for the people of Venezuela. You get the feeling that when the EU and US demand an election, what they are really demanding is regime change. Time will tell.
There is no upper class in Venezuela, 87% of people live below poverty line. I don't want you to consider the suffering of the people in the "upper class", but rather the suffering of anyone who isn't a maduro crony in a country with wide spread famine and the army murdering civilians who oppose the ruling party. Chavez was popular I agree with that, but still doesn't change that he started the process that destroyed the venezuelan economy and institutions, which was continued by maduro. On the media thing, luckily there is both social networks and a lot of alternative media now. Imagine CNN, MBS and CBS getting away with their monopoly om propaganda unchecked.
I published a book based on my PhD where I conducted a qualitative and quantitative study of the coverage of Venezuela from seven of the most influential newspapers from the US and UK and have studied their content over a 20 year period. I called it “Bad News From Venezuela: Twenty Years of Fake News and Misreporting” because I found the media consistently portrayed the country in the worst light possible, presenting minority opinions on highly-contested issues as facts, while rarely, if ever, acknowledging there was an opposing side. Furthermore, the majority of empirical evidence often backed up the opposing side’s points. In short, the corporate media is passing off opposition propaganda as accurate, unbiased reporting. I uncovered a huge network of disinformation agents within the media, some of whom are directly paid by the State Department, to pass State Department propaganda off as genuine news.
An example of skewed coverage: In 2014 the media overwhelmingly presented a wave of US-backed far-right violence that included garrotting innocent passers by and attacking doctors, kindergartens and social housing as a peaceful, democratic uprising against a dictatorship. Public opinion polls showed up to 87% of the country rejected the supposedly peaceful protests.
The second part of the book deals with why this is happening. I interviewed 27 journalists and experts to find out. Aside from the very obvious fact that Venezuela has the largest proven oil reserves in the world and is defying the US and Europe, there are some interesting factors. First, the amount of people who actually produce news about Venezuela for the entire world is very small indeed, barely a few dozen. Due to massive cuts in media funding, it means there is only one full-time correspondent for the entirety of the mainstream English-language press in the country. Much of the rest has been outsourced by agencies and news organizations to cheaper, local journalists. However, the media in Venezuela is extraordinarily partisan. The local media is not just affiliated with the opposition, often it is the opposition and has led coups against the government, like the one in 2002.
Western journalists, often without the ability to speak Spanish (and therefore, to the bottom 90+% of the population) are parachuted into this newsroom atmosphere, and quickly join their ranks. Critical journalists said that their colleagues call themselves the “resistance” to the government, and think it is their number one job to overthrow it. In order to accomplish this they sometimes deliberately publish fake news about the country. One Bloomberg journalist told me how he managed to get the notorious “condoms now cost US$750 in Venezuela” article to go around the world. That it was immediately disproven and actually a box of condoms cost no more than $8 and that the government actually gave out 18 million free ones did not matter. He was unrepentant, saying it was his job was to get clicks and he would use all the “sexy tricks” he wanted. He seemed proud of his ingenuity. [This interview took place before the term “fake news” was in common usage] Why journalists felt so comfortable telling me this is anyone’s guess, perhaps because they see themselves as noble warriors for democracy.
When books like this prove that most of the news coming from Venezuela is completely fake or exaggerated, how am I supposed to form an opinion on what's going on inside the country?
Who has asked the poor of Venezuela what they think?
A new generation rediscovers how failures of socialist countries are blamed on far-right conspiracies.
Citizen journalists documenting the police violence and shortages are the real heroes here. They put to lie all the misrepresentations, the latest iteration of which is a variation of “Who are you gonna believe? This panel of experts and journalists or your own lying eyes?” Yeah, these dictators seized power and property and gave it away to their cronies and the poor in the name of socialist redistribution. With them in charge running things for a while, the cash cow slowly gave way. Their corruption quickly exceeded the regime they replaced, and now the average citizen has lost dozens of pounds of weight.
I understand more how the Soviet Union has its sycophants in the American media. Their own people were starving at the same time the New York Times published articles on why Soviet commmunism was the future.
How much of America is fooled by the new wave of rationalizing Venezuela’s destruction? Obviously, anti-Trump hatred plays into some that are fooled (if Trumps against Maduro, I’m for him!). But Chavez has his hours of television coverage repatriating industry. Say what you want about the work habits of socialist revolutionaries, but the 40+ hours per week and longer-than-Castro speeches show Chavez put in the work. It takes quite a bit of it to turn a wealthy but corrupt country with vast oil reserves into a dirt poor and corrupt country in circa twenty years.
I’m sure the created superparliament and granting Maduro special powers somehow plays into the legitimacy of Maduro’s reign. I’m betting it’s kinda an asterisk in the wake of the vast right-wing conspiracy threatening Maduro’s rule. You can legitimately jail political opponents and arrogate to yourself great political power so long as you are on the left side of the horseshoe.
On January 27 2019 06:24 Jockmcplop wrote: If you want to really learn something about how the media portrays Venezuela, here's a book that deals with this subject:
I published a book based on my PhD where I conducted a qualitative and quantitative study of the coverage of Venezuela from seven of the most influential newspapers from the US and UK and have studied their content over a 20 year period. I called it “Bad News From Venezuela: Twenty Years of Fake News and Misreporting” because I found the media consistently portrayed the country in the worst light possible, presenting minority opinions on highly-contested issues as facts, while rarely, if ever, acknowledging there was an opposing side. Furthermore, the majority of empirical evidence often backed up the opposing side’s points. In short, the corporate media is passing off opposition propaganda as accurate, unbiased reporting. I uncovered a huge network of disinformation agents within the media, some of whom are directly paid by the State Department, to pass State Department propaganda off as genuine news.
An example of skewed coverage: In 2014 the media overwhelmingly presented a wave of US-backed far-right violence that included garrotting innocent passers by and attacking doctors, kindergartens and social housing as a peaceful, democratic uprising against a dictatorship. Public opinion polls showed up to 87% of the country rejected the supposedly peaceful protests.
The second part of the book deals with why this is happening. I interviewed 27 journalists and experts to find out. Aside from the very obvious fact that Venezuela has the largest proven oil reserves in the world and is defying the US and Europe, there are some interesting factors. First, the amount of people who actually produce news about Venezuela for the entire world is very small indeed, barely a few dozen. Due to massive cuts in media funding, it means there is only one full-time correspondent for the entirety of the mainstream English-language press in the country. Much of the rest has been outsourced by agencies and news organizations to cheaper, local journalists. However, the media in Venezuela is extraordinarily partisan. The local media is not just affiliated with the opposition, often it is the opposition and has led coups against the government, like the one in 2002.
Western journalists, often without the ability to speak Spanish (and therefore, to the bottom 90+% of the population) are parachuted into this newsroom atmosphere, and quickly join their ranks. Critical journalists said that their colleagues call themselves the “resistance” to the government, and think it is their number one job to overthrow it. In order to accomplish this they sometimes deliberately publish fake news about the country. One Bloomberg journalist told me how he managed to get the notorious “condoms now cost US$750 in Venezuela” article to go around the world. That it was immediately disproven and actually a box of condoms cost no more than $8 and that the government actually gave out 18 million free ones did not matter. He was unrepentant, saying it was his job was to get clicks and he would use all the “sexy tricks” he wanted. He seemed proud of his ingenuity. [This interview took place before the term “fake news” was in common usage] Why journalists felt so comfortable telling me this is anyone’s guess, perhaps because they see themselves as noble warriors for democracy.
When books like this prove that most of the news coming from Venezuela is completely fake or exaggerated, how am I supposed to form an opinion on what's going on inside the country?
Who has asked the poor of Venezuela what they think?
Literally 0 corporate outlets. People seem to not notice Trump was practically the first person in the country to recognize this new guy and they all just blindly followed.
Venezuela Analysis get's a bad rap, but people do realize our government spends plenty of money to keep the news industry afloat right? People remember the emails between candidates and the media to feed narratives or shut them down? We have a president who campaigns on a private jet we pay for and lugs around his own handpicked team of journalists. There's an obsession with process in the center that suggests the way we do it couldn't possibly be corrupted and it's just so obviously not true I don't know what to say.
Perhaps Maduro's most recent election (amid US coup attempts) wasn't the best it could be, but we also know the US government thinks it's elections are good but doesn't even allow international observers.
No international observers to articulate the damage of 6+ hour long lines to vote, moved and closed polling stations in the thousands, millions prevented from voting for petty crimes, no holiday to vote, no automatic registration, secretary of states just fraudulent, millions of people mysteriously removed from voting roles or told they must vote provisionally, on and on and on. Can't forget about the openly declared vassal states we let participate without any actual power.
Last time US tried to justify a coup even the Carter center couldn't deny the obvious. So it's well documented that the west is definitely lying about the democracy (how much is debatable) It takes an absence of awareness of US intervention in Latin and South America to think this is significantly different.
It is the Center’s finding that the official results reflect the will of the Venezuelan electorate as expressed on Aug. 15, 2004
So the US has already tried to lie about the state of their democracy in order to justify sponsoring a coup, and if anyone has looked at the alleged CIA memo from ~2008 they sure are doing a good job of following it's instruction. Almost like the same team that was around then is coming in now and didn't bother to update their plan.
The US has never cared if the people wanted Chavez or Maduro. Their only intention is to oust the socialist government and they'll buy whoever and run as many coups as it takes.
On January 27 2019 07:51 Danglars wrote: A new generation rediscovers how failures of socialist countries are blamed on far-right conspiracies.
Citizen journalists documenting the police violence and shortages are the real heroes here. They put to lie all the misrepresentations, the latest iteration of which is a variation of “Who are you gonna believe? This panel of experts and journalists or your own lying eyes?” Yeah, these dictators seized power and property and gave it away to their cronies and the poor in the name of socialist redistribution. With them in charge running things for a while, the cash cow slowly gave way. Their corruption quickly exceeded the regime they replaced, and now the average citizen has lost dozens of pounds of weight.
I understand more how the Soviet Union has its sycophants in the American media. Their own people were starving at the same time the New York Times published articles on why Soviet commmunism was the future.
How much of America is fooled by the new wave of rationalizing Venezuela’s destruction? Obviously, anti-Trump hatred plays into some that are fooled (if Trumps against Maduro, I’m for him!). But Chavez has his hours of television coverage repatriating industry. Say what you want about the work habits of socialist revolutionaries, but the 40+ hours per week and longer-than-Castro speeches show Chavez put in the work. It takes quite a bit of it to turn a wealthy but corrupt country with vast oil reserves into a dirt poor and corrupt country in circa twenty years.
I’m sure the created superparliament and granting Maduro special powers somehow plays into the legitimacy of Maduro’s reign. I’m betting it’s kinda an asterisk in the wake of the vast right-wing conspiracy threatening Maduro’s rule. You can legitimately jail political opponents and arrogate to yourself great political power so long as you are on the left side of the horseshoe.
What was your take on Trump backing an open fascist in Brazil again? Thought so.
On January 27 2019 07:51 Danglars wrote: A new generation rediscovers how failures of socialist countries are blamed on far-right conspiracies.
Citizen journalists documenting the police violence and shortages are the real heroes here. They put to lie all the misrepresentations, the latest iteration of which is a variation of “Who are you gonna believe? This panel of experts and journalists or your own lying eyes?” Yeah, these dictators seized power and property and gave it away to their cronies and the poor in the name of socialist redistribution. With them in charge running things for a while, the cash cow slowly gave way. Their corruption quickly exceeded the regime they replaced, and now the average citizen has lost dozens of pounds of weight.
I understand more how the Soviet Union has its sycophants in the American media. Their own people were starving at the same time the New York Times published articles on why Soviet commmunism was the future.
How much of America is fooled by the new wave of rationalizing Venezuela’s destruction? Obviously, anti-Trump hatred plays into some that are fooled (if Trumps against Maduro, I’m for him!). But Chavez has his hours of television coverage repatriating industry. Say what you want about the work habits of socialist revolutionaries, but the 40+ hours per week and longer-than-Castro speeches show Chavez put in the work. It takes quite a bit of it to turn a wealthy but corrupt country with vast oil reserves into a dirt poor and corrupt country in circa twenty years.
I’m sure the created superparliament and granting Maduro special powers somehow plays into the legitimacy of Maduro’s reign. I’m betting it’s kinda an asterisk in the wake of the vast right-wing conspiracy threatening Maduro’s rule. You can legitimately jail political opponents and arrogate to yourself great political power so long as you are on the left side of the horseshoe.
What was your take on Trump backing an open fascist in Brazil again? Thought so.
Stop with that stuff.
What was his take?
The only amusement I get from this nonsense is the idea that there needs to be a 'vast' conspiracy, or that there needs to be a conspiracy period. It's obvious that most Western governments have an interest in the end of a Socialist state.
On January 27 2019 07:51 Danglars wrote: A new generation rediscovers how failures of socialist countries are blamed on far-right conspiracies.
Citizen journalists documenting the police violence and shortages are the real heroes here. They put to lie all the misrepresentations, the latest iteration of which is a variation of “Who are you gonna believe? This panel of experts and journalists or your own lying eyes?” Yeah, these dictators seized power and property and gave it away to their cronies and the poor in the name of socialist redistribution. With them in charge running things for a while, the cash cow slowly gave way. Their corruption quickly exceeded the regime they replaced, and now the average citizen has lost dozens of pounds of weight.
I understand more how the Soviet Union has its sycophants in the American media. Their own people were starving at the same time the New York Times published articles on why Soviet commmunism was the future.
How much of America is fooled by the new wave of rationalizing Venezuela’s destruction? Obviously, anti-Trump hatred plays into some that are fooled (if Trumps against Maduro, I’m for him!). But Chavez has his hours of television coverage repatriating industry. Say what you want about the work habits of socialist revolutionaries, but the 40+ hours per week and longer-than-Castro speeches show Chavez put in the work. It takes quite a bit of it to turn a wealthy but corrupt country with vast oil reserves into a dirt poor and corrupt country in circa twenty years.
I’m sure the created superparliament and granting Maduro special powers somehow plays into the legitimacy of Maduro’s reign. I’m betting it’s kinda an asterisk in the wake of the vast right-wing conspiracy threatening Maduro’s rule. You can legitimately jail political opponents and arrogate to yourself great political power so long as you are on the left side of the horseshoe.
What was your take on Trump backing an open fascist in Brazil again? Thought so.
Stop with that stuff.
What was his take?
The only amusement I get from this nonsense is the idea that there needs to be a 'vast' conspiracy, or that there needs to be a conspiracy period. It's obvious that most Western governments have an interest in the end of a Socialist state.
Couldn't muster one as the series Neb has mentioned points out, the stuff about Venezuela from him, is just stream of consciousness blabber.
On January 27 2019 07:51 Danglars wrote: A new generation rediscovers how failures of socialist countries are blamed on far-right conspiracies.
Citizen journalists documenting the police violence and shortages are the real heroes here. They put to lie all the misrepresentations, the latest iteration of which is a variation of “Who are you gonna believe? This panel of experts and journalists or your own lying eyes?” Yeah, these dictators seized power and property and gave it away to their cronies and the poor in the name of socialist redistribution. With them in charge running things for a while, the cash cow slowly gave way. Their corruption quickly exceeded the regime they replaced, and now the average citizen has lost dozens of pounds of weight.
I understand more how the Soviet Union has its sycophants in the American media. Their own people were starving at the same time the New York Times published articles on why Soviet commmunism was the future.
How much of America is fooled by the new wave of rationalizing Venezuela’s destruction? Obviously, anti-Trump hatred plays into some that are fooled (if Trumps against Maduro, I’m for him!). But Chavez has his hours of television coverage repatriating industry. Say what you want about the work habits of socialist revolutionaries, but the 40+ hours per week and longer-than-Castro speeches show Chavez put in the work. It takes quite a bit of it to turn a wealthy but corrupt country with vast oil reserves into a dirt poor and corrupt country in circa twenty years.
I’m sure the created superparliament and granting Maduro special powers somehow plays into the legitimacy of Maduro’s reign. I’m betting it’s kinda an asterisk in the wake of the vast right-wing conspiracy threatening Maduro’s rule. You can legitimately jail political opponents and arrogate to yourself great political power so long as you are on the left side of the horseshoe.
What was your take on Trump backing an open fascist in Brazil again? Thought so.
On January 27 2019 07:51 Danglars wrote: A new generation rediscovers how failures of socialist countries are blamed on far-right conspiracies.
Citizen journalists documenting the police violence and shortages are the real heroes here. They put to lie all the misrepresentations, the latest iteration of which is a variation of “Who are you gonna believe? This panel of experts and journalists or your own lying eyes?” Yeah, these dictators seized power and property and gave it away to their cronies and the poor in the name of socialist redistribution. With them in charge running things for a while, the cash cow slowly gave way. Their corruption quickly exceeded the regime they replaced, and now the average citizen has lost dozens of pounds of weight.
I understand more how the Soviet Union has its sycophants in the American media. Their own people were starving at the same time the New York Times published articles on why Soviet commmunism was the future.
How much of America is fooled by the new wave of rationalizing Venezuela’s destruction? Obviously, anti-Trump hatred plays into some that are fooled (if Trumps against Maduro, I’m for him!). But Chavez has his hours of television coverage repatriating industry. Say what you want about the work habits of socialist revolutionaries, but the 40+ hours per week and longer-than-Castro speeches show Chavez put in the work. It takes quite a bit of it to turn a wealthy but corrupt country with vast oil reserves into a dirt poor and corrupt country in circa twenty years.
I’m sure the created superparliament and granting Maduro special powers somehow plays into the legitimacy of Maduro’s reign. I’m betting it’s kinda an asterisk in the wake of the vast right-wing conspiracy threatening Maduro’s rule. You can legitimately jail political opponents and arrogate to yourself great political power so long as you are on the left side of the horseshoe.
What was your take on Trump backing an open fascist in Brazil again? Thought so.
Stop with that stuff.
WhataboutTrump lives on.
He's your president. You should be able to articulate an opinion on him backing a fascist dictator in the middle east, in South America, or Latin America. But you can't because you're political philosophy is vacuous.
On January 27 2019 07:51 Danglars wrote: A new generation rediscovers how failures of socialist countries are blamed on far-right conspiracies.
Citizen journalists documenting the police violence and shortages are the real heroes here. They put to lie all the misrepresentations, the latest iteration of which is a variation of “Who are you gonna believe? This panel of experts and journalists or your own lying eyes?” Yeah, these dictators seized power and property and gave it away to their cronies and the poor in the name of socialist redistribution. With them in charge running things for a while, the cash cow slowly gave way. Their corruption quickly exceeded the regime they replaced, and now the average citizen has lost dozens of pounds of weight.
I understand more how the Soviet Union has its sycophants in the American media. Their own people were starving at the same time the New York Times published articles on why Soviet commmunism was the future.
How much of America is fooled by the new wave of rationalizing Venezuela’s destruction? Obviously, anti-Trump hatred plays into some that are fooled (if Trumps against Maduro, I’m for him!). But Chavez has his hours of television coverage repatriating industry. Say what you want about the work habits of socialist revolutionaries, but the 40+ hours per week and longer-than-Castro speeches show Chavez put in the work. It takes quite a bit of it to turn a wealthy but corrupt country with vast oil reserves into a dirt poor and corrupt country in circa twenty years.
I’m sure the created superparliament and granting Maduro special powers somehow plays into the legitimacy of Maduro’s reign. I’m betting it’s kinda an asterisk in the wake of the vast right-wing conspiracy threatening Maduro’s rule. You can legitimately jail political opponents and arrogate to yourself great political power so long as you are on the left side of the horseshoe.
What was your take on Trump backing an open fascist in Brazil again? Thought so.
Stop with that stuff.
WhataboutTrump lives on.
He's your president. You should be able to articulate an opinion on him backing a fascist dictator in the middle east, in South America, or Latin America. But you can't because you're political philosophy is vacuous.
Haha as if I can't criticize Maduro's toll of deaths because don't you know Trump supports Bolsanaro in Brasil. This is doubling down on whataboutism at its finest. I'm only surprised Jockmcplop didn't join in.
On January 27 2019 07:51 Danglars wrote: A new generation rediscovers how failures of socialist countries are blamed on far-right conspiracies.
Citizen journalists documenting the police violence and shortages are the real heroes here. They put to lie all the misrepresentations, the latest iteration of which is a variation of “Who are you gonna believe? This panel of experts and journalists or your own lying eyes?” Yeah, these dictators seized power and property and gave it away to their cronies and the poor in the name of socialist redistribution. With them in charge running things for a while, the cash cow slowly gave way. Their corruption quickly exceeded the regime they replaced, and now the average citizen has lost dozens of pounds of weight.
I understand more how the Soviet Union has its sycophants in the American media. Their own people were starving at the same time the New York Times published articles on why Soviet commmunism was the future.
How much of America is fooled by the new wave of rationalizing Venezuela’s destruction? Obviously, anti-Trump hatred plays into some that are fooled (if Trumps against Maduro, I’m for him!). But Chavez has his hours of television coverage repatriating industry. Say what you want about the work habits of socialist revolutionaries, but the 40+ hours per week and longer-than-Castro speeches show Chavez put in the work. It takes quite a bit of it to turn a wealthy but corrupt country with vast oil reserves into a dirt poor and corrupt country in circa twenty years.
I’m sure the created superparliament and granting Maduro special powers somehow plays into the legitimacy of Maduro’s reign. I’m betting it’s kinda an asterisk in the wake of the vast right-wing conspiracy threatening Maduro’s rule. You can legitimately jail political opponents and arrogate to yourself great political power so long as you are on the left side of the horseshoe.
What was your take on Trump backing an open fascist in Brazil again? Thought so.
Stop with that stuff.
WhataboutTrump lives on.
He's your president. You should be able to articulate an opinion on him backing a fascist dictator in the middle east, in South America, or Latin America. But you can't because you're political philosophy is vacuous.
Haha as if I can't criticize Maduro's toll of deaths because don't you know Trump supports Bolsanaro in Brasil. This is doubling down on whataboutism at its finest. I'm only surprised Jockmcplop didn't join in.
Maybe I didn't join in because arguing with you is like arguing with a spambot that's been programmed with random sentences from 4chan.
On January 27 2019 07:51 Danglars wrote: A new generation rediscovers how failures of socialist countries are blamed on far-right conspiracies.
Citizen journalists documenting the police violence and shortages are the real heroes here. They put to lie all the misrepresentations, the latest iteration of which is a variation of “Who are you gonna believe? This panel of experts and journalists or your own lying eyes?” Yeah, these dictators seized power and property and gave it away to their cronies and the poor in the name of socialist redistribution. With them in charge running things for a while, the cash cow slowly gave way. Their corruption quickly exceeded the regime they replaced, and now the average citizen has lost dozens of pounds of weight.
I understand more how the Soviet Union has its sycophants in the American media. Their own people were starving at the same time the New York Times published articles on why Soviet commmunism was the future.
How much of America is fooled by the new wave of rationalizing Venezuela’s destruction? Obviously, anti-Trump hatred plays into some that are fooled (if Trumps against Maduro, I’m for him!). But Chavez has his hours of television coverage repatriating industry. Say what you want about the work habits of socialist revolutionaries, but the 40+ hours per week and longer-than-Castro speeches show Chavez put in the work. It takes quite a bit of it to turn a wealthy but corrupt country with vast oil reserves into a dirt poor and corrupt country in circa twenty years.
I’m sure the created superparliament and granting Maduro special powers somehow plays into the legitimacy of Maduro’s reign. I’m betting it’s kinda an asterisk in the wake of the vast right-wing conspiracy threatening Maduro’s rule. You can legitimately jail political opponents and arrogate to yourself great political power so long as you are on the left side of the horseshoe.
What was your take on Trump backing an open fascist in Brazil again? Thought so.
Stop with that stuff.
WhataboutTrump lives on.
He's your president. You should be able to articulate an opinion on him backing a fascist dictator in the middle east, in South America, or Latin America. But you can't because you're political philosophy is vacuous.
Haha as if I can't criticize Maduro's toll of deaths because don't you know Trump supports Bolsanaro in Brasil. This is doubling down on whataboutism at its finest. I'm only surprised Jockmcplop didn't join in.
Whataboutism is something else entirely. People are perfectly allowed to criticize Maduro's death tolls. I'm simply pointing out that when YOU do it it's worthless because you can't contextualize it with your other views.
You can only articulate or think one of them and have to disregard it almost entirely before you can then adopt/articulate your non-existent position on Trump's support of an open fascist.
If we saw them next to each other it would be plainly obvious to everyone your political philosophy is nonsensical. As in it can't be used to form a coherent world view. So it has to be segmented to particular lines of argument that can't be made in conjunction and inherently conflict with each other.
This leaves you completely hopeless to defend yourself in any other way than to accuse the person pointing this out of misappropriated colloquialisms.
On January 27 2019 07:51 Danglars wrote: A new generation rediscovers how failures of socialist countries are blamed on far-right conspiracies.
Citizen journalists documenting the police violence and shortages are the real heroes here. They put to lie all the misrepresentations, the latest iteration of which is a variation of “Who are you gonna believe? This panel of experts and journalists or your own lying eyes?” Yeah, these dictators seized power and property and gave it away to their cronies and the poor in the name of socialist redistribution. With them in charge running things for a while, the cash cow slowly gave way. Their corruption quickly exceeded the regime they replaced, and now the average citizen has lost dozens of pounds of weight.
I understand more how the Soviet Union has its sycophants in the American media. Their own people were starving at the same time the New York Times published articles on why Soviet commmunism was the future.
How much of America is fooled by the new wave of rationalizing Venezuela’s destruction? Obviously, anti-Trump hatred plays into some that are fooled (if Trumps against Maduro, I’m for him!). But Chavez has his hours of television coverage repatriating industry. Say what you want about the work habits of socialist revolutionaries, but the 40+ hours per week and longer-than-Castro speeches show Chavez put in the work. It takes quite a bit of it to turn a wealthy but corrupt country with vast oil reserves into a dirt poor and corrupt country in circa twenty years.
I’m sure the created superparliament and granting Maduro special powers somehow plays into the legitimacy of Maduro’s reign. I’m betting it’s kinda an asterisk in the wake of the vast right-wing conspiracy threatening Maduro’s rule. You can legitimately jail political opponents and arrogate to yourself great political power so long as you are on the left side of the horseshoe.
What was your take on Trump backing an open fascist in Brazil again? Thought so.
Stop with that stuff.
WhataboutTrump lives on.
He's your president. You should be able to articulate an opinion on him backing a fascist dictator in the middle east, in South America, or Latin America. But you can't because you're political philosophy is vacuous.
Haha as if I can't criticize Maduro's toll of deaths because don't you know Trump supports Bolsanaro in Brasil. This is doubling down on whataboutism at its finest. I'm only surprised Jockmcplop didn't join in.
Maybe I didn't join in because arguing with you is like arguing with a spambot that's been programmed with random sentences from 4chan.
There’s a certain overlap between whatabout Trump and X as well as whatabout this other religion (that embraces gays). But suit yourself.
On January 27 2019 07:51 Danglars wrote: A new generation rediscovers how failures of socialist countries are blamed on far-right conspiracies.
Citizen journalists documenting the police violence and shortages are the real heroes here. They put to lie all the misrepresentations, the latest iteration of which is a variation of “Who are you gonna believe? This panel of experts and journalists or your own lying eyes?” Yeah, these dictators seized power and property and gave it away to their cronies and the poor in the name of socialist redistribution. With them in charge running things for a while, the cash cow slowly gave way. Their corruption quickly exceeded the regime they replaced, and now the average citizen has lost dozens of pounds of weight.
I understand more how the Soviet Union has its sycophants in the American media. Their own people were starving at the same time the New York Times published articles on why Soviet commmunism was the future.
How much of America is fooled by the new wave of rationalizing Venezuela’s destruction? Obviously, anti-Trump hatred plays into some that are fooled (if Trumps against Maduro, I’m for him!). But Chavez has his hours of television coverage repatriating industry. Say what you want about the work habits of socialist revolutionaries, but the 40+ hours per week and longer-than-Castro speeches show Chavez put in the work. It takes quite a bit of it to turn a wealthy but corrupt country with vast oil reserves into a dirt poor and corrupt country in circa twenty years.
I’m sure the created superparliament and granting Maduro special powers somehow plays into the legitimacy of Maduro’s reign. I’m betting it’s kinda an asterisk in the wake of the vast right-wing conspiracy threatening Maduro’s rule. You can legitimately jail political opponents and arrogate to yourself great political power so long as you are on the left side of the horseshoe.
What was your take on Trump backing an open fascist in Brazil again? Thought so.
Stop with that stuff.
WhataboutTrump lives on.
He's your president. You should be able to articulate an opinion on him backing a fascist dictator in the middle east, in South America, or Latin America. But you can't because you're political philosophy is vacuous.
Haha as if I can't criticize Maduro's toll of deaths because don't you know Trump supports Bolsanaro in Brasil. This is doubling down on whataboutism at its finest. I'm only surprised Jockmcplop didn't join in.
Whataboutism is something else entirely. People are perfectly allowed to criticize Maduro's death tolls. I'm simply pointing out that when YOU do it it's worthless because you can't contextualize it with your other views.
You can only articulate or think one of them and have to disregard it almost entirely before you can then adopt/articulate your non-existent position on Trump's support of an open fascist.
If we saw them next to each other it would be plainly obvious to everyone your political philosophy is nonsensical. As in it can't be used to form a coherent world view. So it has to be segmented to particular lines of argument that can't be made in conjunction and inherently conflict with each other.
This leaves you completely hopeless to defend yourself in any other way than to accuse the person pointing this out of misappropriated colloquialisms.
You might not like my political philosophy, but you still haven’t established a single point to why bringing up Trump and Bolsonaro contextualizes Maduro and starvation-political imprisonment-disease. It’s like expecting others to divulge world views when you can’t even zoom in on one issue long about before whatabouting into something else.
Put another way, you can deliberately ignore dead Venezuelans so long as you think somebody else has flawed thinking in this other area. It’s small comfort to grieving families or angry protestors in Caracas, but you can feel a little better at the end.
On January 27 2019 07:51 Danglars wrote: A new generation rediscovers how failures of socialist countries are blamed on far-right conspiracies.
Citizen journalists documenting the police violence and shortages are the real heroes here. They put to lie all the misrepresentations, the latest iteration of which is a variation of “Who are you gonna believe? This panel of experts and journalists or your own lying eyes?” Yeah, these dictators seized power and property and gave it away to their cronies and the poor in the name of socialist redistribution. With them in charge running things for a while, the cash cow slowly gave way. Their corruption quickly exceeded the regime they replaced, and now the average citizen has lost dozens of pounds of weight.
I understand more how the Soviet Union has its sycophants in the American media. Their own people were starving at the same time the New York Times published articles on why Soviet commmunism was the future.
How much of America is fooled by the new wave of rationalizing Venezuela’s destruction? Obviously, anti-Trump hatred plays into some that are fooled (if Trumps against Maduro, I’m for him!). But Chavez has his hours of television coverage repatriating industry. Say what you want about the work habits of socialist revolutionaries, but the 40+ hours per week and longer-than-Castro speeches show Chavez put in the work. It takes quite a bit of it to turn a wealthy but corrupt country with vast oil reserves into a dirt poor and corrupt country in circa twenty years.
I’m sure the created superparliament and granting Maduro special powers somehow plays into the legitimacy of Maduro’s reign. I’m betting it’s kinda an asterisk in the wake of the vast right-wing conspiracy threatening Maduro’s rule. You can legitimately jail political opponents and arrogate to yourself great political power so long as you are on the left side of the horseshoe.
What was your take on Trump backing an open fascist in Brazil again? Thought so.
Stop with that stuff.
WhataboutTrump lives on.
He's your president. You should be able to articulate an opinion on him backing a fascist dictator in the middle east, in South America, or Latin America. But you can't because you're political philosophy is vacuous.
Haha as if I can't criticize Maduro's toll of deaths because don't you know Trump supports Bolsanaro in Brasil. This is doubling down on whataboutism at its finest. I'm only surprised Jockmcplop didn't join in.
Whataboutism is something else entirely. People are perfectly allowed to criticize Maduro's death tolls. I'm simply pointing out that when YOU do it it's worthless because you can't contextualize it with your other views.
You can only articulate or think one of them and have to disregard it almost entirely before you can then adopt/articulate your non-existent position on Trump's support of an open fascist.
If we saw them next to each other it would be plainly obvious to everyone your political philosophy is nonsensical. As in it can't be used to form a coherent world view. So it has to be segmented to particular lines of argument that can't be made in conjunction and inherently conflict with each other.
This leaves you completely hopeless to defend yourself in any other way than to accuse the person pointing this out of misappropriated colloquialisms.
You might not like my political philosophy, but you still haven’t established a single point to why bringing up Trump and Bolsonaro contextualizes Maduro and starvation-political imprisonment-disease. It’s like expecting others to divulge world views when you can’t even zoom in on one issue long about before whatabouting into something else.
Put another way, you can deliberately ignore dead Venezuelans so long as you think somebody else has flawed thinking in this other area. It’s small comfort to grieving families or angry protestors in Caracas, but you can feel a little better at the end.
I don't really "like" or "dislike" your political philosophy. I'm telling you that you essentially don't have one because you're incapable of forming a coherent world view with it. Not that I disagree with any particular part of it (I do) but that it disagrees with itself and it's really obvious at this point.
Alternatively you try this where you ignore that we're on a site where people can see that I haven't ignored them. I posted a report about them in fact.
I'm pointing out you can't maintain your criticism of Maduro and articulate a critique of Trump's support of fascism/fascists at the same time without looking foolish so you'll do anything you can to try to prevent that from becoming even more obvious to those reading.
Moreover your crocodile tears for the families of Venezuela only convince you that they are your concern. You're inability to do the same with Saudi starving Yemeni's demonstrates that. As well as most of conservative austerity style politics.
This is MSNBC, who do you think they have for Fox News?
Have corporate media showed you a single Maduro supporter? Let them speak for themselves?
"But he's evil, they'd be brainwashed, can't believe them, could be harmful to spread their message, yadda yadda"
You say that like MSNBC doesn't also have climate change "skeptics" and Trump on their screen constantly.
So ask yourself why CNN can be all over the world, MSNBC too, but somehow the only groups they can't manage to ever find a representative of are ones like impoverished Venezuelans or just any Palestinians. Could it maybe be that they aren't trying to inform you of what's happening about Venezuela, Palestine, Yemen or anywhere else and are instead trying to sell you on why you should support their corporate masters imperialist plans?
EDIT:Credit to BBC for (probably accidentally) having a good segment.
Nah not accidentally. The BBC still has a rep for generally good reporting. It's taken a kick or two in recent years, but the overall quality's quite high.
Today, on "Republicans acting like sore losers and not doing their job", they still haven't announced their members for the Intelligence Committee in the House, effectively stalling the committee that wants to reopen the Russia probe and provide already existing transcripts to Mueller. They have put their rosters forward for all the other committees.
Reps, inventing new ways to stall and protect the president every minute passing.
Venezuela accurately points out that the European countries demands for recognizing the illegitimate person behind the coup is essentially supporting the US with some rhetorical cover.
Arreaza repudiated the European Union and said its declaration put them in the same camp as the United State-backed coup that has been in progress, most forcefully since Jan. 23, but which has been ongoing for years, since the Hugo Chavez administration:
“The Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela expresses its most forceful rejection of the declaration by the European Union of Jan. 26, through which it has demonstrated it’s signing on to the coup d'etat orchestrated by the United States government, and which has the intent of giving an ultimatum to the Venezuelan state, which is befitting of the old colonial powers it represents.”
He also accused them of helping create a dangerous situation in Venezuela by joining the United States and its allies in propping up an opposition that it would install as a puppet government, saying: “Venezuela laments that the European Union didn’t have the courage to withstand pressure from the United States, and has consequently decided to join it’s chorus of dependent satellites. We call for them to drop their recalcitrance and adopt instead a balanced and respectful position that doesn’t contribute to the damage of the constitutional order and violence.
Juan Guaido, proclaimed himself "interim"president of Venezuela on Jan. 23. with the backing of United States authorities, some of which have been working for years to destabilize Venezuela and its economy in a bid for access to its bountiful natural resources like oil, gas, and gold. He has been recognized by 17 countries as the "intertim" president which does not comport with the Venezuelan constitution.
Telesur is a Venezuela-based, multi-state funded, Latin American terrestrial and satellite television network headquartered in Caracas, Venezuela. It is sponsored primarily by the government of Venezuela, but also with additional funding by the governments of Cuba, Nicaragua, Uruguay, and Bolivia
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