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On January 28 2019 02:04 GreenHorizons wrote:Venezuela accurately points out that the European countries demands for recognizing the illegitimate person behind the coup is essentially supporting the US with some rhetorical cover. Show nested quote +Arreaza repudiated the European Union and said its declaration put them in the same camp as the United State-backed coup that has been in progress, most forcefully since Jan. 23, but which has been ongoing for years, since the Hugo Chavez administration:
“The Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela expresses its most forceful rejection of the declaration by the European Union of Jan. 26, through which it has demonstrated it’s signing on to the coup d'etat orchestrated by the United States government, and which has the intent of giving an ultimatum to the Venezuelan state, which is befitting of the old colonial powers it represents.”
He also accused them of helping create a dangerous situation in Venezuela by joining the United States and its allies in propping up an opposition that it would install as a puppet government, saying: “Venezuela laments that the European Union didn’t have the courage to withstand pressure from the United States, and has consequently decided to join it’s chorus of dependent satellites. We call for them to drop their recalcitrance and adopt instead a balanced and respectful position that doesn’t contribute to the damage of the constitutional order and violence.
Juan Guaido, proclaimed himself "interim"president of Venezuela on Jan. 23. with the backing of United States authorities, some of which have been working for years to destabilize Venezuela and its economy in a bid for access to its bountiful natural resources like oil, gas, and gold. He has been recognized by 17 countries as the "intertim" president which does not comport with the Venezuelan constitution. www.telesurenglish.net
On January 28 2019 02:45 GoTuNk! wrote:lol telesur + Show Spoiler + Telesur is a Venezuela-based, multi-state funded, Latin American terrestrial and satellite television network headquartered in Caracas, Venezuela. It is sponsored primarily by the government of Venezuela, but also with additional funding by the governments of Cuba, Nicaragua, Uruguay, and Bolivia
lol BBC
+ Show Spoiler +The BBC is established under a Royal Charter[11] Its work is funded principally by an annual television licence fee[13] which is charged to all British households, companies, and organisations using any type of equipment to receive or record live television broadcasts and iPlayer catch-up.[14] The fee is set by the British Government, agreed by Parliament,[15] and used to fund the BBC's radio, TV, and online services covering the nations and regions of the UK.
That's not an argument.
Address the content, articulate why that matters to the content, or keep your "lol" to yourself.
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some of which have been working for years to destabilize Venezuela and its economy in a bid for access to its bountiful natural resources like oil, gas, and gold.
My favorite part.
It’s like the onion.
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On January 28 2019 03:57 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +some of which have been working for years to destabilize Venezuela and its economy in a bid for access to its bountiful natural resources like oil, gas, and gold. My favorite part. It’s like the onion.
lol. My favorite part about your recent posting is the confidence with which you persist.
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On January 28 2019 03:57 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +some of which have been working for years to destabilize Venezuela and its economy in a bid for access to its bountiful natural resources like oil, gas, and gold. My favorite part. It’s like the onion.
Just to make it clear for those who isn't obvious; "Telesur" is Maduro's propaganda agency. Not a partisan network, a full blown propaganda outlet.
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On January 28 2019 04:18 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2019 03:57 Danglars wrote:some of which have been working for years to destabilize Venezuela and its economy in a bid for access to its bountiful natural resources like oil, gas, and gold. My favorite part. It’s like the onion. Just to make it clear for those who isn't obvious; "Telesur" is Maduro's propaganda agency. Not a partisan network, a full blown propaganda outlet.
So it was accurately reported but you don't like that Venezuela also has public news?
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On January 28 2019 04:18 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2019 03:57 Danglars wrote:some of which have been working for years to destabilize Venezuela and its economy in a bid for access to its bountiful natural resources like oil, gas, and gold. My favorite part. It’s like the onion. Just to make it clear for those who isn't obvious; "Telesur" is Maduro's propaganda agency. Not a partisan network, a full blown propaganda outlet.
Like Fox News, then?
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On January 28 2019 04:20 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2019 04:18 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 28 2019 03:57 Danglars wrote:some of which have been working for years to destabilize Venezuela and its economy in a bid for access to its bountiful natural resources like oil, gas, and gold. My favorite part. It’s like the onion. Just to make it clear for those who isn't obvious; "Telesur" is Maduro's propaganda agency. Not a partisan network, a full blown propaganda outlet. So it was accurately reported but you don't like that Venezuela also has public news?
lol "public" news, this is just orwellian
The first 3 paragraphs are jus transmiting Maduro's statement so they are correct, the last one is the propaganda bit.
+ Show Spoiler +Juan Guaido, proclaimed himself "interim"president of Venezuela on Jan. 23. with the backing of United States authorities,
Juan Guaido did not proclaim himself, he was apointed by the Asamblea Nacional as interim president until the tyrant is deposed and real free elections can be had, according to the constitution.
+ Show Spoiler +some of which have been working for years to destabilize Venezuela and its economy in a bid for access to its bountiful natural resources like oil, gas, and gold. He has been recognized by 17 countries as the "intertim" president which does not comport with the Venezuelan constitution.
Standard propaganda, presenting opinion as facts
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On January 28 2019 04:22 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2019 04:18 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 28 2019 03:57 Danglars wrote:some of which have been working for years to destabilize Venezuela and its economy in a bid for access to its bountiful natural resources like oil, gas, and gold. My favorite part. It’s like the onion. Just to make it clear for those who isn't obvious; "Telesur" is Maduro's propaganda agency. Not a partisan network, a full blown propaganda outlet. Like Fox News, then?
Oh, the clever one liners; I'm sure you are being disingenuous but I'll explain anyway
Fox News is a republican partisan outlet, just like NBC and CBS are democrat partisan outlets; they are both privately funded aswell.
Given republicans hold the white house now, telesur would be Fox News funded directly by the US government and broadcasting ONLY at DJT whims. At the same time, all other networks have been directly censored into oblivion by the federal government in the previous years, with their top executives, journalists and figures imprisoned or forced into exile under the argument of "treason".
If you can't see the difference it's on you.
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On January 28 2019 04:27 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2019 04:20 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 28 2019 04:18 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 28 2019 03:57 Danglars wrote:some of which have been working for years to destabilize Venezuela and its economy in a bid for access to its bountiful natural resources like oil, gas, and gold. My favorite part. It’s like the onion. Just to make it clear for those who isn't obvious; "Telesur" is Maduro's propaganda agency. Not a partisan network, a full blown propaganda outlet. So it was accurately reported but you don't like that Venezuela also has public news? lol "public" news, this is just orwellian The first 3 paragraphs are jus transmiting Maduro's statement so they are correct, the last one is the propaganda bit. Juan Guaido did not proclaim himself, he was apointed by the Asamblea Nacional as interim president until the tyrant is deposed and real free elections can be had, according to the constitution. Show nested quote ++ Show Spoiler +some of which have been working for years to destabilize Venezuela and its economy in a bid for access to its bountiful natural resources like oil, gas, and gold. He has been recognized by 17 countries as the "intertim" president which does not comport with the Venezuelan constitution. Standard propaganda, presenting opinion as facts
Even western outlets supportive of the coup have described it basically that way
Maduro defiant as Venezuelan opposition leader declares himself acting president
Working to destabilize the economy has been an open intent of the US for decades now. It's obviously not been to stabilize like many other countries right?
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On January 28 2019 04:41 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2019 04:27 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 28 2019 04:20 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 28 2019 04:18 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 28 2019 03:57 Danglars wrote:some of which have been working for years to destabilize Venezuela and its economy in a bid for access to its bountiful natural resources like oil, gas, and gold. My favorite part. It’s like the onion. Just to make it clear for those who isn't obvious; "Telesur" is Maduro's propaganda agency. Not a partisan network, a full blown propaganda outlet. So it was accurately reported but you don't like that Venezuela also has public news? lol "public" news, this is just orwellian The first 3 paragraphs are jus transmiting Maduro's statement so they are correct, the last one is the propaganda bit. + Show Spoiler +Juan Guaido, proclaimed himself "interim"president of Venezuela on Jan. 23. with the backing of United States authorities, Juan Guaido did not proclaim himself, he was apointed by the Asamblea Nacional as interim president until the tyrant is deposed and real free elections can be had, according to the constitution. + Show Spoiler +some of which have been working for years to destabilize Venezuela and its economy in a bid for access to its bountiful natural resources like oil, gas, and gold. He has been recognized by 17 countries as the "intertim" president which does not comport with the Venezuelan constitution. Standard propaganda, presenting opinion as facts Even western outlets supportive of the coup have described it basically that way Maduro defiant as Venezuelan opposition leader declares himself acting presidentWorking to destabilize the economy has been an open intent of the US for decades now. It's obviously not been to stabilize like many other countries right?
So which one is it? Socialism is great there is nothing wrong going on in Venezuela, Socialism is great but Venezuela failed because of the US intervention, or Socialism is great and Venezuela isn't true socialism?
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Lots of talk of Venezuela in here. Can we get back to the issues that matter like Russian collusion 
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On January 28 2019 04:48 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2019 04:41 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 28 2019 04:27 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 28 2019 04:20 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 28 2019 04:18 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 28 2019 03:57 Danglars wrote:some of which have been working for years to destabilize Venezuela and its economy in a bid for access to its bountiful natural resources like oil, gas, and gold. My favorite part. It’s like the onion. Just to make it clear for those who isn't obvious; "Telesur" is Maduro's propaganda agency. Not a partisan network, a full blown propaganda outlet. So it was accurately reported but you don't like that Venezuela also has public news? lol "public" news, this is just orwellian The first 3 paragraphs are jus transmiting Maduro's statement so they are correct, the last one is the propaganda bit. + Show Spoiler +Juan Guaido, proclaimed himself "interim"president of Venezuela on Jan. 23. with the backing of United States authorities, Juan Guaido did not proclaim himself, he was apointed by the Asamblea Nacional as interim president until the tyrant is deposed and real free elections can be had, according to the constitution. + Show Spoiler +some of which have been working for years to destabilize Venezuela and its economy in a bid for access to its bountiful natural resources like oil, gas, and gold. He has been recognized by 17 countries as the "intertim" president which does not comport with the Venezuelan constitution. Standard propaganda, presenting opinion as facts Even western outlets supportive of the coup have described it basically that way Maduro defiant as Venezuelan opposition leader declares himself acting presidentWorking to destabilize the economy has been an open intent of the US for decades now. It's obviously not been to stabilize like many other countries right? So which one is it? Socialism is great there is nothing wrong going on in Venezuela, Socialism is great but Venezuela failed because of the US intervention, or Socialism is great and Venezuela isn't true socialism?
accepting the reductive framing (I dont) some of all three. Very little of the "nothing wrong going on in Venezuela" other than a lot of impoverished people can read that otherwise couldn't and stuff like that.
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On January 28 2019 04:51 Doodsmack wrote:Lots of talk of Venezuela in here. Can we get back to the issues that matter like Russian collusion
I tried last page, but nobody in this thread cares about the bullshit the republican party is pulling :-)
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On January 28 2019 05:16 Nouar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2019 04:51 Doodsmack wrote:Lots of talk of Venezuela in here. Can we get back to the issues that matter like Russian collusion I tried last page, but nobody in this thread cares about the bullshit the republican party is pulling :-)
I don't think there's anybody in the thread that is contesting that the republican party is full of shit a lot, and therefore no one is surprised that it happens. Maybe Danglars I guess.
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On January 28 2019 05:16 Nouar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2019 04:51 Doodsmack wrote:Lots of talk of Venezuela in here. Can we get back to the issues that matter like Russian collusion I tried last page, but nobody in this thread cares about the bullshit the republican party is pulling :-)
Did you guys not read the OP  ? (it could probably use an update I know)
There's also another probably more popular thread that loves to talk about that stuff. As Neb pointed out the operating assumption over here (save the conservatives) is that the Republicans are actively undermining democracy and attempting to implement policy that would harm the most marginalized people in our society and it's catastrophically bad.
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On January 28 2019 04:32 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2019 04:22 iamthedave wrote:On January 28 2019 04:18 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 28 2019 03:57 Danglars wrote:some of which have been working for years to destabilize Venezuela and its economy in a bid for access to its bountiful natural resources like oil, gas, and gold. My favorite part. It’s like the onion. Just to make it clear for those who isn't obvious; "Telesur" is Maduro's propaganda agency. Not a partisan network, a full blown propaganda outlet. Like Fox News, then? Oh, the clever one liners; I'm sure you are being disingenuous but I'll explain anyway Fox News is a republican partisan outlet, just like NBC and CBS are democrat partisan outlets; they are both privately funded aswell. Given republicans hold the white house now, telesur would be Fox News funded directly by the US government and broadcasting ONLY at DJT whims. At the same time, all other networks have been directly censored into oblivion by the federal government in the previous years, with their top executives, journalists and figures imprisoned or forced into exile under the argument of "treason". If you can't see the difference it's on you.
So it's a whoosh, then. Good to know.
I'm curious though, are you actually aware of how much you post on here is just random right wing talking points and propoganda that you've not really thought through?
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On January 28 2019 06:07 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2019 04:32 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 28 2019 04:22 iamthedave wrote:On January 28 2019 04:18 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 28 2019 03:57 Danglars wrote:some of which have been working for years to destabilize Venezuela and its economy in a bid for access to its bountiful natural resources like oil, gas, and gold. My favorite part. It’s like the onion. Just to make it clear for those who isn't obvious; "Telesur" is Maduro's propaganda agency. Not a partisan network, a full blown propaganda outlet. Like Fox News, then? Oh, the clever one liners; I'm sure you are being disingenuous but I'll explain anyway Fox News is a republican partisan outlet, just like NBC and CBS are democrat partisan outlets; they are both privately funded aswell. Given republicans hold the white house now, telesur would be Fox News funded directly by the US government and broadcasting ONLY at DJT whims. At the same time, all other networks have been directly censored into oblivion by the federal government in the previous years, with their top executives, journalists and figures imprisoned or forced into exile under the argument of "treason". If you can't see the difference it's on you. So it's a whoosh, then. Good to know. I'm curious though, are you actually aware of how much you post on here is just random right wing talking points and propaganda that you've not really thought through?
Nothing about what he posted in that post is talking points and propaganda. I mean you can find left wind talking points and propaganda posted repeatedly by GH and its a lot more obvious. I'm not saying hes the most steady center poster but his post there is simple and logical. Muduro has been running a terror campaign controling peoples food supply dissolving any government institution that dares go against him and replacing them with ones that report to him directly.
You wouldn't trust al Jazeera if they talked about middle east politics and you wouldn't trust RT if they talked about gays in Chechnya. But for some The Venezuelan version is anywhere more trustworthy? Do we trust the election run by muduro to say that he won fairly, the election that was boycotted because he dissolved the courts and elected body that disagreed with him?
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On January 28 2019 06:41 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2019 06:07 iamthedave wrote:On January 28 2019 04:32 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 28 2019 04:22 iamthedave wrote:On January 28 2019 04:18 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 28 2019 03:57 Danglars wrote:some of which have been working for years to destabilize Venezuela and its economy in a bid for access to its bountiful natural resources like oil, gas, and gold. My favorite part. It’s like the onion. Just to make it clear for those who isn't obvious; "Telesur" is Maduro's propaganda agency. Not a partisan network, a full blown propaganda outlet. Like Fox News, then? Oh, the clever one liners; I'm sure you are being disingenuous but I'll explain anyway Fox News is a republican partisan outlet, just like NBC and CBS are democrat partisan outlets; they are both privately funded aswell. Given republicans hold the white house now, telesur would be Fox News funded directly by the US government and broadcasting ONLY at DJT whims. At the same time, all other networks have been directly censored into oblivion by the federal government in the previous years, with their top executives, journalists and figures imprisoned or forced into exile under the argument of "treason". If you can't see the difference it's on you. So it's a whoosh, then. Good to know. I'm curious though, are you actually aware of how much you post on here is just random right wing talking points and propaganda that you've not really thought through? Nothing about what he posted in that post is talking points and propaganda. I mean you can find left wind talking points and propaganda posted repeatedly by GH and its a lot more obvious. I'm not saying hes the most steady center poster but his post there is simple and logical. Muduro has been running a terror campaign controling peoples food supply dissolving any government institution that dares go against him and replacing them with ones that report to him directly. You wouldn't trust al Jazeera if they talked about middle east politics and you wouldn't trust RT if they talked about gays in Chechnya. But for some The Venezuelan version is anywhere more trustworthy? Do we trust the election run by muduro to say that he won fairly, the election that was boycotted because he dissolved the courts and elected body that disagreed with him?
I think you both make some valid points but I have to ask this for perspective. Do you think Bolsonaro's election was legitimate?
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On January 28 2019 06:45 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2019 06:41 Sermokala wrote:On January 28 2019 06:07 iamthedave wrote:On January 28 2019 04:32 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 28 2019 04:22 iamthedave wrote:On January 28 2019 04:18 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 28 2019 03:57 Danglars wrote:some of which have been working for years to destabilize Venezuela and its economy in a bid for access to its bountiful natural resources like oil, gas, and gold. My favorite part. It’s like the onion. Just to make it clear for those who isn't obvious; "Telesur" is Maduro's propaganda agency. Not a partisan network, a full blown propaganda outlet. Like Fox News, then? Oh, the clever one liners; I'm sure you are being disingenuous but I'll explain anyway Fox News is a republican partisan outlet, just like NBC and CBS are democrat partisan outlets; they are both privately funded aswell. Given republicans hold the white house now, telesur would be Fox News funded directly by the US government and broadcasting ONLY at DJT whims. At the same time, all other networks have been directly censored into oblivion by the federal government in the previous years, with their top executives, journalists and figures imprisoned or forced into exile under the argument of "treason". If you can't see the difference it's on you. So it's a whoosh, then. Good to know. I'm curious though, are you actually aware of how much you post on here is just random right wing talking points and propaganda that you've not really thought through? Nothing about what he posted in that post is talking points and propaganda. I mean you can find left wind talking points and propaganda posted repeatedly by GH and its a lot more obvious. I'm not saying hes the most steady center poster but his post there is simple and logical. Muduro has been running a terror campaign controling peoples food supply dissolving any government institution that dares go against him and replacing them with ones that report to him directly. You wouldn't trust al Jazeera if they talked about middle east politics and you wouldn't trust RT if they talked about gays in Chechnya. But for some The Venezuelan version is anywhere more trustworthy? Do we trust the election run by muduro to say that he won fairly, the election that was boycotted because he dissolved the courts and elected body that disagreed with him? I think you both make some valid points but I have to ask this for perspective. Do you think Bolsonaro's election was legitimate?
Yes he was winning in the polls well before the election and actually performed worse in the election then what was expected. Various potential fraud aside its more likely that bolsonaro's was legitimate then Trumps.
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On January 28 2019 06:41 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2019 06:07 iamthedave wrote:On January 28 2019 04:32 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 28 2019 04:22 iamthedave wrote:On January 28 2019 04:18 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 28 2019 03:57 Danglars wrote:some of which have been working for years to destabilize Venezuela and its economy in a bid for access to its bountiful natural resources like oil, gas, and gold. My favorite part. It’s like the onion. Just to make it clear for those who isn't obvious; "Telesur" is Maduro's propaganda agency. Not a partisan network, a full blown propaganda outlet. Like Fox News, then? Oh, the clever one liners; I'm sure you are being disingenuous but I'll explain anyway Fox News is a republican partisan outlet, just like NBC and CBS are democrat partisan outlets; they are both privately funded aswell. Given republicans hold the white house now, telesur would be Fox News funded directly by the US government and broadcasting ONLY at DJT whims. At the same time, all other networks have been directly censored into oblivion by the federal government in the previous years, with their top executives, journalists and figures imprisoned or forced into exile under the argument of "treason". If you can't see the difference it's on you. So it's a whoosh, then. Good to know. I'm curious though, are you actually aware of how much you post on here is just random right wing talking points and propaganda that you've not really thought through? Nothing about what he posted in that post is talking points and propaganda. I mean you can find left wind talking points and propaganda posted repeatedly by GH and its a lot more obvious. I'm not saying hes the most steady center poster but his post there is simple and logical. Muduro has been running a terror campaign controling peoples food supply dissolving any government institution that dares go against him and replacing them with ones that report to him directly. You wouldn't trust al Jazeera if they talked about middle east politics and you wouldn't trust RT if they talked about gays in Chechnya. But for some The Venezuelan version is anywhere more trustworthy? Do we trust the election run by muduro to say that he won fairly, the election that was boycotted because he dissolved the courts and elected body that disagreed with him?
This is true.
I also wouldn't necessarily trust the BBC, CNN, The Guardian etc. especially when they are all giving the same perspective over and over again, ignoring other perspectives.
This notion that Western media is more accurate because its all we have is a mistake.
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