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On January 22 2019 06:15 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2019 05:59 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 05:46 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 05:11 Jockmcplop wrote:On January 22 2019 05:09 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 04:49 Jockmcplop wrote:
I don't want to keep banging my head against this wall I've said everything I need to say on this.
I will mention though that not once have I said anything even remotely authoritarian here. I am exercising my right to criticize a belief that has led to a policy that I think is harmful, I specifically said that I'm not advocating for any policy from the authorities on this, and it looks like you are the one trying to shut down my criticism with accusations of bigotry.
Its ironic really. Karen Pence was attacked for being a teacher at a Christian school with common Christian school rules. When I cited the outrage-style article as part of a narrative (in my post), you defended the attack on her. You still don’t see a problem with attacking Karen Pence? Forgive me, I’m trying to justify your comments about tolerating religious people when that clearly isn’t the case. Wrong again: This is the very first thing I wrote: The school discriminates against gay students. Mrs. Pence doesn't necessarily deserve criticism but the school's policy in this regard is shit, and that goes for schools of all faiths that perpetuate homophobia against kids. So far you have wrongly accused meof: Religious bigotry Authoritarianism Defending an attack on Karen Pence I have done none of these things, and your style of argument is noted. Attack the other guy constantly with accusations and you never have to talk about the issue. Upon rereading, I see you didn’t join the authors using Karen Pence to attack religious education in this country, just using its position in the news to being up your own views on how religious schools educate religious students. My post connected it to others in the same vein that you didn’t echo (bolding out the specific section). My apologies. Similarly to you, I’m not going to continue to bang my head against the wall on your bigotry and authoritarianism. I accused you of it for the reasons outlined in my several post, and continue to think you display it in your argument and worldview. Walking in as no member of the religion, and commenting on other religious sects that behave differently, are the first things that piqued my interest, which the rest of your arguments confirmed. I continue to hope the coming years leads you to change your mind even if I can’t help. It amazes me you can make this argument seriously knowing full well bigotry authoritarianism and religious intolerance is part and parcel of the Christian influence in this country. Yeah but that's okay because he agrees with that authoritarianism. It's the good authoritarianism.
A lot of the far right (I'm using this word as a description not an insult) functions like that. You are very supportive of others in your community. It's just that your community is small. Intolerance and bigotry is very bad when it is applied to people who have the same religious beliefs, or skin color, or political leanings, as you. Muslims can get lost though, we need to figure out what's going. Gay people, SJWs... not our community, not our problem.
We lose the individualism that is at the core of liberalism and marxism, and we gain collectivism instead. But it's a collectivism that is based on excluding others, not on bringing people together.
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On January 22 2019 06:48 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2019 06:39 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 06:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 06:34 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 05:59 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 05:46 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 05:11 Jockmcplop wrote:On January 22 2019 05:09 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 04:49 Jockmcplop wrote:
I don't want to keep banging my head against this wall I've said everything I need to say on this.
I will mention though that not once have I said anything even remotely authoritarian here. I am exercising my right to criticize a belief that has led to a policy that I think is harmful, I specifically said that I'm not advocating for any policy from the authorities on this, and it looks like you are the one trying to shut down my criticism with accusations of bigotry.
Its ironic really. Karen Pence was attacked for being a teacher at a Christian school with common Christian school rules. When I cited the outrage-style article as part of a narrative (in my post), you defended the attack on her. You still don’t see a problem with attacking Karen Pence? Forgive me, I’m trying to justify your comments about tolerating religious people when that clearly isn’t the case. Wrong again: This is the very first thing I wrote: The school discriminates against gay students. Mrs. Pence doesn't necessarily deserve criticism but the school's policy in this regard is shit, and that goes for schools of all faiths that perpetuate homophobia against kids. So far you have wrongly accused meof: Religious bigotry Authoritarianism Defending an attack on Karen Pence I have done none of these things, and your style of argument is noted. Attack the other guy constantly with accusations and you never have to talk about the issue. Upon rereading, I see you didn’t join the authors using Karen Pence to attack religious education in this country, just using its position in the news to being up your own views on how religious schools educate religious students. My post connected it to others in the same vein that you didn’t echo (bolding out the specific section). My apologies. Similarly to you, I’m not going to continue to bang my head against the wall on your bigotry and authoritarianism. I accused you of it for the reasons outlined in my several post, and continue to think you display it in your argument and worldview. Walking in as no member of the religion, and commenting on other religious sects that behave differently, are the first things that piqued my interest, which the rest of your arguments confirmed. I continue to hope the coming years leads you to change your mind even if I can’t help. It amazes me you can make this argument seriously knowing full well bigotry authoritarianism and religious intolerance is part and parcel of the Christian influence in this country. The absence of Christian majorities in his country loudly telling Jockmcplop how he’s causing suffering are probably part of the reason he’s lecturing others without turning red with embarrassment. Maybe it’s the old Anglican tradition of changing church to meet political realities ... icky Christian churches should just bend their literal religion away from homophobia like those good churches that do ... What is this nonsense supposed to be suggesting? The church went from dictating morality to society, to secular society dictating morality to churches. It’s an oppressor/oppressed flip; I thought that was sort of your focus area on the far left? You're telling me you think Christianity/Christians are oppressed (for their religion) in the US? Seriously? That it's comparable to the oppression Christianity wrought on this country?
Not historically comparable in degree. Just in nature nowadays. The targets have switched as the political tides have shifted. I thought it was obvious from the wagging fingers of homophobia.
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On January 22 2019 07:24 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2019 06:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 06:39 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 06:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 06:34 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 05:59 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 05:46 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 05:11 Jockmcplop wrote:On January 22 2019 05:09 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 04:49 Jockmcplop wrote:
I don't want to keep banging my head against this wall I've said everything I need to say on this.
I will mention though that not once have I said anything even remotely authoritarian here. I am exercising my right to criticize a belief that has led to a policy that I think is harmful, I specifically said that I'm not advocating for any policy from the authorities on this, and it looks like you are the one trying to shut down my criticism with accusations of bigotry.
Its ironic really. Karen Pence was attacked for being a teacher at a Christian school with common Christian school rules. When I cited the outrage-style article as part of a narrative (in my post), you defended the attack on her. You still don’t see a problem with attacking Karen Pence? Forgive me, I’m trying to justify your comments about tolerating religious people when that clearly isn’t the case. Wrong again: This is the very first thing I wrote: The school discriminates against gay students. Mrs. Pence doesn't necessarily deserve criticism but the school's policy in this regard is shit, and that goes for schools of all faiths that perpetuate homophobia against kids. So far you have wrongly accused meof: Religious bigotry Authoritarianism Defending an attack on Karen Pence I have done none of these things, and your style of argument is noted. Attack the other guy constantly with accusations and you never have to talk about the issue. Upon rereading, I see you didn’t join the authors using Karen Pence to attack religious education in this country, just using its position in the news to being up your own views on how religious schools educate religious students. My post connected it to others in the same vein that you didn’t echo (bolding out the specific section). My apologies. Similarly to you, I’m not going to continue to bang my head against the wall on your bigotry and authoritarianism. I accused you of it for the reasons outlined in my several post, and continue to think you display it in your argument and worldview. Walking in as no member of the religion, and commenting on other religious sects that behave differently, are the first things that piqued my interest, which the rest of your arguments confirmed. I continue to hope the coming years leads you to change your mind even if I can’t help. It amazes me you can make this argument seriously knowing full well bigotry authoritarianism and religious intolerance is part and parcel of the Christian influence in this country. The absence of Christian majorities in his country loudly telling Jockmcplop how he’s causing suffering are probably part of the reason he’s lecturing others without turning red with embarrassment. Maybe it’s the old Anglican tradition of changing church to meet political realities ... icky Christian churches should just bend their literal religion away from homophobia like those good churches that do ... What is this nonsense supposed to be suggesting? The church went from dictating morality to society, to secular society dictating morality to churches. It’s an oppressor/oppressed flip; I thought that was sort of your focus area on the far left? You're telling me you think Christianity/Christians are oppressed (for their religion) in the US? Seriously? That it's comparable to the oppression Christianity wrought on this country? Not historically comparable in degree. Just in nature nowadays. The targets have switched as the political tides have shifted. I thought it was obvious from the wagging fingers of homophobia.
Well, it's good to know you didn't mean it literally but this "nature" argument is also bad.
As is often the case for white men in the US, you're mistaking others having a voice for them oppressing (typically) cis white males. As you seem to sorta be aware of, they aren't comparable.
Christians aren't oppressed (for their religion in the US) and in fact still play an active role in the oppression of others. To suggest that Atheists/Agnostics/non-Christians are oppressing Christians takes a distortion of reality beyond any remotely sensible place.
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On January 22 2019 07:34 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2019 07:24 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 06:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 06:39 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 06:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 06:34 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 05:59 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 05:46 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 05:11 Jockmcplop wrote:On January 22 2019 05:09 Danglars wrote:
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Karen Pence was attacked for being a teacher at a Christian school with common Christian school rules. When I cited the outrage-style article as part of a narrative (in my post), you defended the attack on her.
You still don’t see a problem with attacking Karen Pence? Forgive me, I’m trying to justify your comments about tolerating religious people when that clearly isn’t the case. Wrong again: This is the very first thing I wrote: The school discriminates against gay students. Mrs. Pence doesn't necessarily deserve criticism but the school's policy in this regard is shit, and that goes for schools of all faiths that perpetuate homophobia against kids. So far you have wrongly accused meof: Religious bigotry Authoritarianism Defending an attack on Karen Pence I have done none of these things, and your style of argument is noted. Attack the other guy constantly with accusations and you never have to talk about the issue. Upon rereading, I see you didn’t join the authors using Karen Pence to attack religious education in this country, just using its position in the news to being up your own views on how religious schools educate religious students. My post connected it to others in the same vein that you didn’t echo (bolding out the specific section). My apologies. Similarly to you, I’m not going to continue to bang my head against the wall on your bigotry and authoritarianism. I accused you of it for the reasons outlined in my several post, and continue to think you display it in your argument and worldview. Walking in as no member of the religion, and commenting on other religious sects that behave differently, are the first things that piqued my interest, which the rest of your arguments confirmed. I continue to hope the coming years leads you to change your mind even if I can’t help. It amazes me you can make this argument seriously knowing full well bigotry authoritarianism and religious intolerance is part and parcel of the Christian influence in this country. The absence of Christian majorities in his country loudly telling Jockmcplop how he’s causing suffering are probably part of the reason he’s lecturing others without turning red with embarrassment. Maybe it’s the old Anglican tradition of changing church to meet political realities ... icky Christian churches should just bend their literal religion away from homophobia like those good churches that do ... What is this nonsense supposed to be suggesting? The church went from dictating morality to society, to secular society dictating morality to churches. It’s an oppressor/oppressed flip; I thought that was sort of your focus area on the far left? You're telling me you think Christianity/Christians are oppressed (for their religion) in the US? Seriously? That it's comparable to the oppression Christianity wrought on this country? Not historically comparable in degree. Just in nature nowadays. The targets have switched as the political tides have shifted. I thought it was obvious from the wagging fingers of homophobia. Well, it's good to know you didn't mean it literally but this "nature" argument is also bad. As is often the case for white men in the US, you're mistaking others having a voice for them oppressing (typically) cis white males. As you seem to sorta be aware of, they aren't comparable. Christians aren't oppressed (for their religion in the US) and in fact still play an active role in the oppression of others. To suggest that Atheists/Agnostics/non-Christians are oppressing Christians takes a distortion of reality beyond any remotely sensible place.
Have you considered people can act in various ways despite their ethnicity and/or religious belief? Some christians ARE being targeted by the media and other hate groups explicitly because of their beliefs.
TONS of white christian man fought and died to end slavery. MLK himself was an outspoken man of faith.
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On January 22 2019 08:15 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2019 07:34 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 07:24 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 06:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 06:39 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 06:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 06:34 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 05:59 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 05:46 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 05:11 Jockmcplop wrote:
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Wrong again:
This is the very first thing I wrote:
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So far you have wrongly accused meof:
Religious bigotry
Authoritarianism
Defending an attack on Karen Pence
I have done none of these things, and your style of argument is noted. Attack the other guy constantly with accusations and you never have to talk about the issue. Upon rereading, I see you didn’t join the authors using Karen Pence to attack religious education in this country, just using its position in the news to being up your own views on how religious schools educate religious students. My post connected it to others in the same vein that you didn’t echo (bolding out the specific section). My apologies. Similarly to you, I’m not going to continue to bang my head against the wall on your bigotry and authoritarianism. I accused you of it for the reasons outlined in my several post, and continue to think you display it in your argument and worldview. Walking in as no member of the religion, and commenting on other religious sects that behave differently, are the first things that piqued my interest, which the rest of your arguments confirmed. I continue to hope the coming years leads you to change your mind even if I can’t help. It amazes me you can make this argument seriously knowing full well bigotry authoritarianism and religious intolerance is part and parcel of the Christian influence in this country. The absence of Christian majorities in his country loudly telling Jockmcplop how he’s causing suffering are probably part of the reason he’s lecturing others without turning red with embarrassment. Maybe it’s the old Anglican tradition of changing church to meet political realities ... icky Christian churches should just bend their literal religion away from homophobia like those good churches that do ... What is this nonsense supposed to be suggesting? The church went from dictating morality to society, to secular society dictating morality to churches. It’s an oppressor/oppressed flip; I thought that was sort of your focus area on the far left? You're telling me you think Christianity/Christians are oppressed (for their religion) in the US? Seriously? That it's comparable to the oppression Christianity wrought on this country? Not historically comparable in degree. Just in nature nowadays. The targets have switched as the political tides have shifted. I thought it was obvious from the wagging fingers of homophobia. Well, it's good to know you didn't mean it literally but this "nature" argument is also bad. As is often the case for white men in the US, you're mistaking others having a voice for them oppressing (typically) cis white males. As you seem to sorta be aware of, they aren't comparable. Christians aren't oppressed (for their religion in the US) and in fact still play an active role in the oppression of others. To suggest that Atheists/Agnostics/non-Christians are oppressing Christians takes a distortion of reality beyond any remotely sensible place. Have you considered people can act in various ways despite their ethnicity and/or religious belief? Some christians ARE being targeted by the media and other hate groups explicitly because of their beliefs. TONS of white christian man fought and died to end slavery. MLK himself was an outspoken man of faith.
Indeed I have. I don't deny that some Christians are criticized for their beliefs. That isn't oppression.
No idea what the rest has to do with anything.
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On January 22 2019 08:47 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2019 08:15 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 22 2019 07:34 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 07:24 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 06:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 06:39 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 06:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 06:34 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 05:59 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 05:46 Danglars wrote:
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Upon rereading, I see you didn’t join the authors using Karen Pence to attack religious education in this country, just using its position in the news to being up your own views on how religious schools educate religious students. My post connected it to others in the same vein that you didn’t echo (bolding out the specific section). My apologies.
Similarly to you, I’m not going to continue to bang my head against the wall on your bigotry and authoritarianism. I accused you of it for the reasons outlined in my several post, and continue to think you display it in your argument and worldview. Walking in as no member of the religion, and commenting on other religious sects that behave differently, are the first things that piqued my interest, which the rest of your arguments confirmed. I continue to hope the coming years leads you to change your mind even if I can’t help. It amazes me you can make this argument seriously knowing full well bigotry authoritarianism and religious intolerance is part and parcel of the Christian influence in this country. The absence of Christian majorities in his country loudly telling Jockmcplop how he’s causing suffering are probably part of the reason he’s lecturing others without turning red with embarrassment. Maybe it’s the old Anglican tradition of changing church to meet political realities ... icky Christian churches should just bend their literal religion away from homophobia like those good churches that do ... What is this nonsense supposed to be suggesting? The church went from dictating morality to society, to secular society dictating morality to churches. It’s an oppressor/oppressed flip; I thought that was sort of your focus area on the far left? You're telling me you think Christianity/Christians are oppressed (for their religion) in the US? Seriously? That it's comparable to the oppression Christianity wrought on this country? Not historically comparable in degree. Just in nature nowadays. The targets have switched as the political tides have shifted. I thought it was obvious from the wagging fingers of homophobia. Well, it's good to know you didn't mean it literally but this "nature" argument is also bad. As is often the case for white men in the US, you're mistaking others having a voice for them oppressing (typically) cis white males. As you seem to sorta be aware of, they aren't comparable. Christians aren't oppressed (for their religion in the US) and in fact still play an active role in the oppression of others. To suggest that Atheists/Agnostics/non-Christians are oppressing Christians takes a distortion of reality beyond any remotely sensible place. Have you considered people can act in various ways despite their ethnicity and/or religious belief? Some christians ARE being targeted by the media and other hate groups explicitly because of their beliefs. TONS of white christian man fought and died to end slavery. MLK himself was an outspoken man of faith. Indeed I have. I don't deny that some Christians are criticized for their beliefs. That isn't oppression. No idea what the rest has to do with anything.
They are not being "critized" for their beliefs. They were deliberately targeted with a false story made up by editing of a 2 hour long video; as a result, 16 years olds and their families have received multiple death threats and other forms of harrasment; they even doxxed some other family, because why let facts get in the way of the narrative.
The rest has to do with your affirmation that ALL white christians are opressors.
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On January 22 2019 08:51 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2019 08:47 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 08:15 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 22 2019 07:34 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 07:24 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 06:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 06:39 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 06:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 06:34 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 05:59 GreenHorizons wrote:
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It amazes me you can make this argument seriously knowing full well bigotry authoritarianism and religious intolerance is part and parcel of the Christian influence in this country. The absence of Christian majorities in his country loudly telling Jockmcplop how he’s causing suffering are probably part of the reason he’s lecturing others without turning red with embarrassment. Maybe it’s the old Anglican tradition of changing church to meet political realities ... icky Christian churches should just bend their literal religion away from homophobia like those good churches that do ... What is this nonsense supposed to be suggesting? The church went from dictating morality to society, to secular society dictating morality to churches. It’s an oppressor/oppressed flip; I thought that was sort of your focus area on the far left? You're telling me you think Christianity/Christians are oppressed (for their religion) in the US? Seriously? That it's comparable to the oppression Christianity wrought on this country? Not historically comparable in degree. Just in nature nowadays. The targets have switched as the political tides have shifted. I thought it was obvious from the wagging fingers of homophobia. Well, it's good to know you didn't mean it literally but this "nature" argument is also bad. As is often the case for white men in the US, you're mistaking others having a voice for them oppressing (typically) cis white males. As you seem to sorta be aware of, they aren't comparable. Christians aren't oppressed (for their religion in the US) and in fact still play an active role in the oppression of others. To suggest that Atheists/Agnostics/non-Christians are oppressing Christians takes a distortion of reality beyond any remotely sensible place. Have you considered people can act in various ways despite their ethnicity and/or religious belief? Some christians ARE being targeted by the media and other hate groups explicitly because of their beliefs. TONS of white christian man fought and died to end slavery. MLK himself was an outspoken man of faith. Indeed I have. I don't deny that some Christians are criticized for their beliefs. That isn't oppression. No idea what the rest has to do with anything. They are not being "critized" for their beliefs. They were deliberately targeted with a false story made up by editing of a 2 hour long video; as a result, 16 years olds and their families have received multiple death threats and other forms of harrasment; they even doxxed some other family, because why let facts get in the way of the narrative. The rest has to do with your affirmation that ALL white christians are opressors.
Well they are being criticized for their beliefs here. As to your take on the asshole kids at the Lincoln memorial and the reactions they are experiencing, I'm sure it sucks but it's not Christians being oppressed.
I never said that "ALL white christians are opressors." so that's probably why it read as incoherent babbling to me.
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On January 22 2019 08:51 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2019 08:47 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 08:15 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 22 2019 07:34 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 07:24 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 06:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 06:39 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 06:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 06:34 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 05:59 GreenHorizons wrote:
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It amazes me you can make this argument seriously knowing full well bigotry authoritarianism and religious intolerance is part and parcel of the Christian influence in this country. The absence of Christian majorities in his country loudly telling Jockmcplop how he’s causing suffering are probably part of the reason he’s lecturing others without turning red with embarrassment. Maybe it’s the old Anglican tradition of changing church to meet political realities ... icky Christian churches should just bend their literal religion away from homophobia like those good churches that do ... What is this nonsense supposed to be suggesting? The church went from dictating morality to society, to secular society dictating morality to churches. It’s an oppressor/oppressed flip; I thought that was sort of your focus area on the far left? You're telling me you think Christianity/Christians are oppressed (for their religion) in the US? Seriously? That it's comparable to the oppression Christianity wrought on this country? Not historically comparable in degree. Just in nature nowadays. The targets have switched as the political tides have shifted. I thought it was obvious from the wagging fingers of homophobia. Well, it's good to know you didn't mean it literally but this "nature" argument is also bad. As is often the case for white men in the US, you're mistaking others having a voice for them oppressing (typically) cis white males. As you seem to sorta be aware of, they aren't comparable. Christians aren't oppressed (for their religion in the US) and in fact still play an active role in the oppression of others. To suggest that Atheists/Agnostics/non-Christians are oppressing Christians takes a distortion of reality beyond any remotely sensible place. Have you considered people can act in various ways despite their ethnicity and/or religious belief? Some christians ARE being targeted by the media and other hate groups explicitly because of their beliefs. TONS of white christian man fought and died to end slavery. MLK himself was an outspoken man of faith. Indeed I have. I don't deny that some Christians are criticized for their beliefs. That isn't oppression. No idea what the rest has to do with anything. They are not being "critized" for their beliefs. They were deliberately targeted with a false story made up by editing of a 2 hour long video; as a result, 16 years olds and their families have received multiple death threats and other forms of harrasment; they even doxxed some other family, because why let facts get in the way of the narrative. The rest has to do with your affirmation that ALL white christians are opressors.
What happened to 'fuck your feelings' and snowflakey liberals getting all in a twist about nothing? Strange how quickly it all becomes a massive oh the humanity when it's conservatives on the receiving end.
In the US political climate, I'm not even sure why you're putting things in bold. The survivors of the Parkland high school massacre have been receiving death threats, too, for daring to come out with a strong view against gun violence after witnessing it first hand.
I mean... you know this has been happening for a long time, right? Remember Sandy Hook? Thanks to that arsehole Alex Jones some of the parents who lost children get harassed to this day by Conservatives who believe it was a false flag and their children are alive and well and paid actors. But hey, free speech! There should never be consequences for spreading absolute lies because then you're being authoritarian!
This is what you want. Enjoy it.
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On January 22 2019 12:06 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2019 08:51 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 22 2019 08:47 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 08:15 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 22 2019 07:34 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 07:24 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 06:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 06:39 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 06:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 06:34 Danglars wrote:
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The absence of Christian majorities in his country loudly telling Jockmcplop how he’s causing suffering are probably part of the reason he’s lecturing others without turning red with embarrassment. Maybe it’s the old Anglican tradition of changing church to meet political realities ... icky Christian churches should just bend their literal religion away from homophobia like those good churches that do ... What is this nonsense supposed to be suggesting? The church went from dictating morality to society, to secular society dictating morality to churches. It’s an oppressor/oppressed flip; I thought that was sort of your focus area on the far left? You're telling me you think Christianity/Christians are oppressed (for their religion) in the US? Seriously? That it's comparable to the oppression Christianity wrought on this country? Not historically comparable in degree. Just in nature nowadays. The targets have switched as the political tides have shifted. I thought it was obvious from the wagging fingers of homophobia. Well, it's good to know you didn't mean it literally but this "nature" argument is also bad. As is often the case for white men in the US, you're mistaking others having a voice for them oppressing (typically) cis white males. As you seem to sorta be aware of, they aren't comparable. Christians aren't oppressed (for their religion in the US) and in fact still play an active role in the oppression of others. To suggest that Atheists/Agnostics/non-Christians are oppressing Christians takes a distortion of reality beyond any remotely sensible place. Have you considered people can act in various ways despite their ethnicity and/or religious belief? Some christians ARE being targeted by the media and other hate groups explicitly because of their beliefs. TONS of white christian man fought and died to end slavery. MLK himself was an outspoken man of faith. Indeed I have. I don't deny that some Christians are criticized for their beliefs. That isn't oppression. No idea what the rest has to do with anything. They are not being "critized" for their beliefs. They were deliberately targeted with a false story made up by editing of a 2 hour long video; as a result, 16 years olds and their families have received multiple death threats and other forms of harrasment; they even doxxed some other family, because why let facts get in the way of the narrative. The rest has to do with your affirmation that ALL white christians are opressors. What happened to 'fuck your feelings' and snowflakey liberals getting all in a twist about nothing? Strange how quickly it all becomes a massive oh the humanity when it's conservatives on the receiving end. In the US political climate, I'm not even sure why you're putting things in bold. The survivors of the Parkland high school massacre have been receiving death threats, too, for daring to come out with a strong view against gun violence after witnessing it first hand. I mean... you know this has been happening for a long time, right? Remember Sandy Hook? Thanks to that arsehole Alex Jones some of the parents who lost children get harassed to this day by Conservatives who believe it was a false flag and their children are alive and well and paid actors. But hey, free speech! There should never be consequences for spreading absolute lies because then you're being authoritarian! This is what you want. Enjoy it.
So the MSM is at the same level of infowars, good to know. "Conservatives" do not harras people, lunatics and other extremist who do not hold conservative values do. This type of argument is just cheap conflation, akin to calling every left winger a genocidal advocate. Even then, this has nothing to do with this kids and I do not support that behavior in any way.
Doxxing and targeted harrasment is def not the same as "free speech". Morever, I hope the kids sue the shit out of those "journalist" calling for violence on them; biased (and even false) reporting is protected by free speech, however using your twitter accounts to incite violence on actual people and posting their private info online to that end is not.
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On January 22 2019 12:23 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2019 12:06 iamthedave wrote:On January 22 2019 08:51 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 22 2019 08:47 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 08:15 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 22 2019 07:34 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 07:24 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 06:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 06:39 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 06:37 GreenHorizons wrote:
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What is this nonsense supposed to be suggesting? The church went from dictating morality to society, to secular society dictating morality to churches. It’s an oppressor/oppressed flip; I thought that was sort of your focus area on the far left? You're telling me you think Christianity/Christians are oppressed (for their religion) in the US? Seriously? That it's comparable to the oppression Christianity wrought on this country? Not historically comparable in degree. Just in nature nowadays. The targets have switched as the political tides have shifted. I thought it was obvious from the wagging fingers of homophobia. Well, it's good to know you didn't mean it literally but this "nature" argument is also bad. As is often the case for white men in the US, you're mistaking others having a voice for them oppressing (typically) cis white males. As you seem to sorta be aware of, they aren't comparable. Christians aren't oppressed (for their religion in the US) and in fact still play an active role in the oppression of others. To suggest that Atheists/Agnostics/non-Christians are oppressing Christians takes a distortion of reality beyond any remotely sensible place. Have you considered people can act in various ways despite their ethnicity and/or religious belief? Some christians ARE being targeted by the media and other hate groups explicitly because of their beliefs. TONS of white christian man fought and died to end slavery. MLK himself was an outspoken man of faith. Indeed I have. I don't deny that some Christians are criticized for their beliefs. That isn't oppression. No idea what the rest has to do with anything. They are not being "critized" for their beliefs. They were deliberately targeted with a false story made up by editing of a 2 hour long video; as a result, 16 years olds and their families have received multiple death threats and other forms of harrasment; they even doxxed some other family, because why let facts get in the way of the narrative. The rest has to do with your affirmation that ALL white christians are opressors. What happened to 'fuck your feelings' and snowflakey liberals getting all in a twist about nothing? Strange how quickly it all becomes a massive oh the humanity when it's conservatives on the receiving end. In the US political climate, I'm not even sure why you're putting things in bold. The survivors of the Parkland high school massacre have been receiving death threats, too, for daring to come out with a strong view against gun violence after witnessing it first hand. I mean... you know this has been happening for a long time, right? Remember Sandy Hook? Thanks to that arsehole Alex Jones some of the parents who lost children get harassed to this day by Conservatives who believe it was a false flag and their children are alive and well and paid actors. But hey, free speech! There should never be consequences for spreading absolute lies because then you're being authoritarian! This is what you want. Enjoy it. So the MSM is at the same level of infowars, good to know. "Conservatives" do not harras people, lunatics and other extremist who do not hold conservative values do. This type of argument is just cheap conflation, akin to calling every left winger a genocidal advocate. Even then, this has nothing to do with this kids and I do not support that behavior in any way. Doxxing and targeted harrasment is def not the same as "free speech". Morever, I hope the kids sue the shit out of those "journalist" calling for violence on them; biased (and even false) reporting is protected by free speech, however using your twitter accounts to incite violence on actual people and posting their private info online to that end is not.
Oh, the No True Scotsman rears its head. Bigotry - especially of the juicy, allegedly justifiable religious kind - has been a staple of Conservatism worldwide for centuries. Of course, it depends on exactly which Conservatives and which set of Conservative values those Conservatives hold to.
Did the journalists call for violence on those kids? Can you link the tweets where they did?
I'm going to go out on a limb and say they probably didn't do what you're accusing them of. It'd be highly unusual for journalists to do something that extreme because - unlike most people - they know what the consequences can be since they're the ones writing the stories about said consequences.
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On January 22 2019 08:15 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2019 07:34 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 07:24 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 06:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 06:39 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 06:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 06:34 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 05:59 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 05:46 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 05:11 Jockmcplop wrote:
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Wrong again:
This is the very first thing I wrote:
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So far you have wrongly accused meof:
Religious bigotry
Authoritarianism
Defending an attack on Karen Pence
I have done none of these things, and your style of argument is noted. Attack the other guy constantly with accusations and you never have to talk about the issue. Upon rereading, I see you didn’t join the authors using Karen Pence to attack religious education in this country, just using its position in the news to being up your own views on how religious schools educate religious students. My post connected it to others in the same vein that you didn’t echo (bolding out the specific section). My apologies. Similarly to you, I’m not going to continue to bang my head against the wall on your bigotry and authoritarianism. I accused you of it for the reasons outlined in my several post, and continue to think you display it in your argument and worldview. Walking in as no member of the religion, and commenting on other religious sects that behave differently, are the first things that piqued my interest, which the rest of your arguments confirmed. I continue to hope the coming years leads you to change your mind even if I can’t help. It amazes me you can make this argument seriously knowing full well bigotry authoritarianism and religious intolerance is part and parcel of the Christian influence in this country. The absence of Christian majorities in his country loudly telling Jockmcplop how he’s causing suffering are probably part of the reason he’s lecturing others without turning red with embarrassment. Maybe it’s the old Anglican tradition of changing church to meet political realities ... icky Christian churches should just bend their literal religion away from homophobia like those good churches that do ... What is this nonsense supposed to be suggesting? The church went from dictating morality to society, to secular society dictating morality to churches. It’s an oppressor/oppressed flip; I thought that was sort of your focus area on the far left? You're telling me you think Christianity/Christians are oppressed (for their religion) in the US? Seriously? That it's comparable to the oppression Christianity wrought on this country? Not historically comparable in degree. Just in nature nowadays. The targets have switched as the political tides have shifted. I thought it was obvious from the wagging fingers of homophobia. Well, it's good to know you didn't mean it literally but this "nature" argument is also bad. As is often the case for white men in the US, you're mistaking others having a voice for them oppressing (typically) cis white males. As you seem to sorta be aware of, they aren't comparable. Christians aren't oppressed (for their religion in the US) and in fact still play an active role in the oppression of others. To suggest that Atheists/Agnostics/non-Christians are oppressing Christians takes a distortion of reality beyond any remotely sensible place. Have you considered people can act in various ways despite their ethnicity and/or religious belief? Some christians ARE being targeted by the media and other hate groups explicitly because of their beliefs. TONS of white christian man fought and died to end slavery. MLK himself was an outspoken man of faith.
If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.
John 15:19
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On January 22 2019 08:51 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2019 08:47 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 08:15 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 22 2019 07:34 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 07:24 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 06:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 06:39 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 06:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 06:34 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 05:59 GreenHorizons wrote:
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It amazes me you can make this argument seriously knowing full well bigotry authoritarianism and religious intolerance is part and parcel of the Christian influence in this country. The absence of Christian majorities in his country loudly telling Jockmcplop how he’s causing suffering are probably part of the reason he’s lecturing others without turning red with embarrassment. Maybe it’s the old Anglican tradition of changing church to meet political realities ... icky Christian churches should just bend their literal religion away from homophobia like those good churches that do ... What is this nonsense supposed to be suggesting? The church went from dictating morality to society, to secular society dictating morality to churches. It’s an oppressor/oppressed flip; I thought that was sort of your focus area on the far left? You're telling me you think Christianity/Christians are oppressed (for their religion) in the US? Seriously? That it's comparable to the oppression Christianity wrought on this country? Not historically comparable in degree. Just in nature nowadays. The targets have switched as the political tides have shifted. I thought it was obvious from the wagging fingers of homophobia. Well, it's good to know you didn't mean it literally but this "nature" argument is also bad. As is often the case for white men in the US, you're mistaking others having a voice for them oppressing (typically) cis white males. As you seem to sorta be aware of, they aren't comparable. Christians aren't oppressed (for their religion in the US) and in fact still play an active role in the oppression of others. To suggest that Atheists/Agnostics/non-Christians are oppressing Christians takes a distortion of reality beyond any remotely sensible place. Have you considered people can act in various ways despite their ethnicity and/or religious belief? Some christians ARE being targeted by the media and other hate groups explicitly because of their beliefs. TONS of white christian man fought and died to end slavery. MLK himself was an outspoken man of faith. Indeed I have. I don't deny that some Christians are criticized for their beliefs. That isn't oppression. No idea what the rest has to do with anything. They are not being "critized" for their beliefs. They were deliberately targeted with a false story made up by editing of a 2 hour long video; as a result, 16 years olds and their families have received multiple death threats and other forms of harrasment; they even doxxed some other family, because why let facts get in the way of the narrative. The rest has to do with your affirmation that ALL white christians are opressors.
https://twitter.com/roflinds/status/1087486166939680768?s=19
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On January 22 2019 18:55 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2019 08:51 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 22 2019 08:47 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 08:15 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 22 2019 07:34 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 07:24 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 06:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 06:39 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 06:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 06:34 Danglars wrote:
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The absence of Christian majorities in his country loudly telling Jockmcplop how he’s causing suffering are probably part of the reason he’s lecturing others without turning red with embarrassment. Maybe it’s the old Anglican tradition of changing church to meet political realities ... icky Christian churches should just bend their literal religion away from homophobia like those good churches that do ... What is this nonsense supposed to be suggesting? The church went from dictating morality to society, to secular society dictating morality to churches. It’s an oppressor/oppressed flip; I thought that was sort of your focus area on the far left? You're telling me you think Christianity/Christians are oppressed (for their religion) in the US? Seriously? That it's comparable to the oppression Christianity wrought on this country? Not historically comparable in degree. Just in nature nowadays. The targets have switched as the political tides have shifted. I thought it was obvious from the wagging fingers of homophobia. Well, it's good to know you didn't mean it literally but this "nature" argument is also bad. As is often the case for white men in the US, you're mistaking others having a voice for them oppressing (typically) cis white males. As you seem to sorta be aware of, they aren't comparable. Christians aren't oppressed (for their religion in the US) and in fact still play an active role in the oppression of others. To suggest that Atheists/Agnostics/non-Christians are oppressing Christians takes a distortion of reality beyond any remotely sensible place. Have you considered people can act in various ways despite their ethnicity and/or religious belief? Some christians ARE being targeted by the media and other hate groups explicitly because of their beliefs. TONS of white christian man fought and died to end slavery. MLK himself was an outspoken man of faith. Indeed I have. I don't deny that some Christians are criticized for their beliefs. That isn't oppression. No idea what the rest has to do with anything. They are not being "critized" for their beliefs. They were deliberately targeted with a false story made up by editing of a 2 hour long video; as a result, 16 years olds and their families have received multiple death threats and other forms of harrasment; they even doxxed some other family, because why let facts get in the way of the narrative. The rest has to do with your affirmation that ALL white christians are opressors. https://twitter.com/roflinds/status/1087486166939680768?s=19
I'll hold my judgement on out of context 2s videos, I would hope people would have learned that by now. Still doesn't warrant death threats.
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On January 22 2019 20:40 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2019 18:55 Nebuchad wrote:On January 22 2019 08:51 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 22 2019 08:47 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 08:15 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 22 2019 07:34 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 07:24 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 06:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 06:39 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 06:37 GreenHorizons wrote:
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What is this nonsense supposed to be suggesting? The church went from dictating morality to society, to secular society dictating morality to churches. It’s an oppressor/oppressed flip; I thought that was sort of your focus area on the far left? You're telling me you think Christianity/Christians are oppressed (for their religion) in the US? Seriously? That it's comparable to the oppression Christianity wrought on this country? Not historically comparable in degree. Just in nature nowadays. The targets have switched as the political tides have shifted. I thought it was obvious from the wagging fingers of homophobia. Well, it's good to know you didn't mean it literally but this "nature" argument is also bad. As is often the case for white men in the US, you're mistaking others having a voice for them oppressing (typically) cis white males. As you seem to sorta be aware of, they aren't comparable. Christians aren't oppressed (for their religion in the US) and in fact still play an active role in the oppression of others. To suggest that Atheists/Agnostics/non-Christians are oppressing Christians takes a distortion of reality beyond any remotely sensible place. Have you considered people can act in various ways despite their ethnicity and/or religious belief? Some christians ARE being targeted by the media and other hate groups explicitly because of their beliefs. TONS of white christian man fought and died to end slavery. MLK himself was an outspoken man of faith. Indeed I have. I don't deny that some Christians are criticized for their beliefs. That isn't oppression. No idea what the rest has to do with anything. They are not being "critized" for their beliefs. They were deliberately targeted with a false story made up by editing of a 2 hour long video; as a result, 16 years olds and their families have received multiple death threats and other forms of harrasment; they even doxxed some other family, because why let facts get in the way of the narrative. The rest has to do with your affirmation that ALL white christians are opressors. https://twitter.com/roflinds/status/1087486166939680768?s=19 I'll hold my judgement on out of context 2s videos, I would hope people would have learned that by now. Still doesn't warrant death threats.
Could you let me know the context in which this isn't what it looks like?
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On January 22 2019 20:44 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2019 20:40 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 22 2019 18:55 Nebuchad wrote:On January 22 2019 08:51 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 22 2019 08:47 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 08:15 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 22 2019 07:34 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 07:24 Danglars wrote:On January 22 2019 06:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 22 2019 06:39 Danglars wrote:
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The church went from dictating morality to society, to secular society dictating morality to churches. It’s an oppressor/oppressed flip; I thought that was sort of your focus area on the far left? You're telling me you think Christianity/Christians are oppressed (for their religion) in the US? Seriously? That it's comparable to the oppression Christianity wrought on this country? Not historically comparable in degree. Just in nature nowadays. The targets have switched as the political tides have shifted. I thought it was obvious from the wagging fingers of homophobia. Well, it's good to know you didn't mean it literally but this "nature" argument is also bad. As is often the case for white men in the US, you're mistaking others having a voice for them oppressing (typically) cis white males. As you seem to sorta be aware of, they aren't comparable. Christians aren't oppressed (for their religion in the US) and in fact still play an active role in the oppression of others. To suggest that Atheists/Agnostics/non-Christians are oppressing Christians takes a distortion of reality beyond any remotely sensible place. Have you considered people can act in various ways despite their ethnicity and/or religious belief? Some christians ARE being targeted by the media and other hate groups explicitly because of their beliefs. TONS of white christian man fought and died to end slavery. MLK himself was an outspoken man of faith. Indeed I have. I don't deny that some Christians are criticized for their beliefs. That isn't oppression. No idea what the rest has to do with anything. They are not being "critized" for their beliefs. They were deliberately targeted with a false story made up by editing of a 2 hour long video; as a result, 16 years olds and their families have received multiple death threats and other forms of harrasment; they even doxxed some other family, because why let facts get in the way of the narrative. The rest has to do with your affirmation that ALL white christians are opressors. https://twitter.com/roflinds/status/1087486166939680768?s=19 I'll hold my judgement on out of context 2s videos, I would hope people would have learned that by now. Still doesn't warrant death threats. Could you let me know the context in which this isn't what it looks like?
Huh some sort of previous taunting? Yelling buildthewall, maga, or anything else out of the blue at someone seems odd. Also, there was 200.000-600.000 people in the march for life, you can't really tell those kids belong to that school from those pixelated images.
Still doesn't warrant MSM coordinated smear campaign against 16 year olds.
The school is closed today because of safety concerns, lol.
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These guys must be really unlucky. Here they were trying to be nice to people all day, but they just happen to keep encountering bad people who goad them into acting like dicks, and every time it's caught on tape... Just an unfortunate series of events.
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On January 22 2019 21:07 Nebuchad wrote:
These guys must be really unlucky. Here they were trying to be nice to people all day, but they just happen to keep encountering bad people who goad them into acting like dicks, and every time it's caught on tape... Just an unfortunate series of events.
huh no? They are unrelated incidents.
The first one was unquestionably a media setup, with news outlets backtracking and all these celebrities and journalists rushing to delete their tweets.
Wathever happened with the other lady is tbd, but unrelated to the first incident.
Still doesn't warrant targeting a group of 16yo.
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On January 22 2019 21:27 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2019 21:07 Nebuchad wrote:
These guys must be really unlucky. Here they were trying to be nice to people all day, but they just happen to keep encountering bad people who goad them into acting like dicks, and every time it's caught on tape... Just an unfortunate series of events. huh no? They are unrelated incidents. The first one was unquestionably a media setup, with news outlets backtracking and all these celebrities and journalists rushing to delete their tweets. Wathever happened with the other lady is tbd, but unrelated to the first incident. Still doesn't warrant targeting a group of 16yo.
how is it a media set up? i thought by targeting you meant the harassment after the fact as a result of the news, which is understandably condemnable. but in no way were these children targeted at the lincoln memorial, by media or other people. and i mean, they’re the same kids at the same place at the same time. it being unrelated is unlikely, not that i want to get distracted from this larger point of total bullshit.
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The MSM clearly took a 2 hour video, clipped it down to what they liked, and dove in. These kids did nothing wrong, Id also go as far to say this is a gigantic nothing burger on its face but for the fact that the MSM opt'd to blast these kids heavily. A bunch of blue checks on twitter are now retracting their statements. This entire thing was massive click bait at BEST by the MSM more likely they wanted to draw attention away from the march for life and smear some people(kids) wearing trump hats. The fact that these kids are getting actual death threats is totally insane. I hope the kids sue the shit out of CNN and anyone else they may have a case against and win.
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On January 22 2019 21:31 brian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2019 21:27 GoTuNk! wrote:On January 22 2019 21:07 Nebuchad wrote:
These guys must be really unlucky. Here they were trying to be nice to people all day, but they just happen to keep encountering bad people who goad them into acting like dicks, and every time it's caught on tape... Just an unfortunate series of events. huh no? They are unrelated incidents. The first one was unquestionably a media setup, with news outlets backtracking and all these celebrities and journalists rushing to delete their tweets. Wathever happened with the other lady is tbd, but unrelated to the first incident. Still doesn't warrant targeting a group of 16yo. how is it a media set up? i thought by targeting you meant the harassment after the fact as a result of the news. but in no way were these children targeted at the lincoln memorial, by media or other people. and i mean, they’re the same kids at the same place at the same time. it being unrelated is unlikely, not that i want to get distracted from this larger point of total bullshit.
The harrasement after the fact is a direct result of video editing and bias reporting to show the kids as "agressors".
This is clearly not what happened. They were standing next to the lincoln memorial, when the black israelits started harrasing them with insults (white crackers, go back to Europe, gay slurs) and then the native american guy walks up to the kid banging the drum on his face while he smiles awkwardly (OHHH THE SMIRK OF WHITE OF SUPREMACY); he had a clear path to the lincoln memorial that did not involve going towards the kids.
Take 2 seconds to watch any of the multiple videos online with the full story.
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