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On March 28 2017 01:21 biryusky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2017 01:17 duke91 wrote:On March 28 2017 01:04 biryusky wrote:
As Probemicro said, hes currently working as a chaffeur. He tried to stream but got banned from streaming ANY game on afreeca. Currently he only streams himself on camera.
He tried to stream on a couple other platforms too, just that they were banned almost immediately due to reports and Kespa taking action. Wait even Twitch? not sure about twitch, but Kespa might have taken an action already on banning him, and will do if he does in the future. thats what ive read on the fomos forums
I'm not sure 100% on this, but if memory serves, after the Hwasin affair Afreeca, Twitch, and Azubu made a deal with Kespa to disallow all convicted matchfixers from streaming on their platforms. This ban includes both BW and SC2 matchfixers, for example SaviOr and Life.
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I was under the impression that Savior and the other matchfixers were banned because they claimed to be former progamers. Considering Kespa wiped their records, that'd be fraud.
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On March 28 2017 02:08 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
But to be fair.... Jessica and Boxer have their own... flaws as well. As Incontrol mentioned in his 3 video overview. The blackmailing they did to NASL, I can only imagine what other things they've done.
can you link that please?
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Savior had a trial in court, because of the match fixing scandal. He was punished.
That is why I think it would be ok to let him play again in major tournaments like afreeca starleague.
Also the other banned progamers should be allowed to play again. They all got punished for what they did.
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On May 18 2017 00:51 lovel0ve1 wrote:
Savior had a trial in court, because of the match fixing scandal. He was punished.
That is why I think it would be ok to let him play again in major tournaments like afreeca starleague.
Also the other banned progamers should be allowed to play again. They all got punished for what they did.
Being banned from professional events is part of the punishment. You have to understand that e-sports in Korea has legal standing, it works differently than anywhere else in the world.
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On May 18 2017 02:08 JungleTerrain wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2017 00:51 lovel0ve1 wrote:
Savior had a trial in court, because of the match fixing scandal. He was punished.
That is why I think it would be ok to let him play again in major tournaments like afreeca starleague.
Also the other banned progamers should be allowed to play again. They all got punished for what they did. Being banned from professional events is part of the punishment. You have to understand that e-sports in Korea has legal standing, it works differently than anywhere else in the world.
afreeca starleague is not professional events. Also I don't think he would be interested in doing so anyway, his skill is probably now far bellow the requirements to be able to compete with top players. On the other side, blocking him from streaming on afreeca is taking it one step too far imo but it can't be helped.
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On March 27 2017 18:16 Probemicro wrote:
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last i heard he was living a comfy life as a chaffeur driver for rich clients
I had this fantasy where in an alternate reality one of the match fixers enters the police academy (maybe despite any limitations against individuals with criminal records), begins working in a bureau dealing with fraud, and eventually gets to work on match fixing cases (in any sport). Something akin to Catch Me If You Can.
Alas...
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On March 28 2017 01:04 biryusky wrote:
As Probemicro said, hes currently working as a chaffeur. He tried to stream but got banned from streaming ANY game on afreeca. Currently he only streams himself on camera.
He tried to stream on a couple other platforms too, just that they were banned almost immediately due to reports and Kespa taking action.
Tbh, it serves him right in that everything about this guy was fucked up. Iris talked about savior on stream, more like a rant but when they were both on CJ savior basically had no friends because his personality was so shitty. He called him a sly, arrogant bastard who will just use you to get whatever he needs, and you can pretty much see that in what he did with brokers along with the matchfixing scandal (lots of players actually didnt profit much from the matchfixing, savior did ). While members were practicing he was the only one wasting time on other entertainment stuff (said he was meeting girls instead of practicing bw).
The age culture being strong in Korea if you were of younger age you would have to greet people of older age respectfully. Well, he straight up ignored greetings from other students and the like. No one liked him at CJ.
It makes sense too. Savior put a hell of a final blow on the death of Broodwar in Korea and he still, STILL! tries to stream broodwar. He knows better than anyone that hes banned, but he doesnt realize hes the scum of the earth by the broodwar fans that were there. Had he any respect left for Broodwar community he should stop trying. But nope, he wants to stream. he wants to open up a shopping mall. He wants to use the popularity that he once had (which is twisted af in the sense that he blew it all up by matchfixing) , and he sued a lot of people for making remarks about matchfixing as well.
By the way, DarkElf was promised $5K for his matchfixed game. Savior took $3K from the profit and never said shit.
that is really interesting if what you stated is true, wondering if anyone can confirm this view on savior within the pro scene
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you can find him on the path of night.
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On March 28 2017 02:28 iFU.pauline wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2017 02:21 Jealous wrote:I have an experience similar to Psyonic Reaver's with Savior from Blizzcon 2009. I don't think I've ever had the opportunity to share it, but I think it would be fun to do so now. Savior and the rest of the Korean progamers show up to a community Q&A session that was mostly TL people I believe. About 70-100 people in a conference hall at the Hyatt if I'm not mistaken. After some fun interviews and random questions with prizes, we all head to the back of the room for refreshments. Incontrol gives Savior a shot and they take it together, and Savior obviously looks like he did not enjoy it lol. He asks for a beverage to wash it down with (this is a liberal use of the word "ask" since he knew about 0 English words, it was more like gesticulating). It was my time to shine. I had mixed a vodka and grape soda beverage that I hadn't touched yet, and I tap him on the shoulder and offered it to him. He doesn't acknowledge me as a person whatsoever in his rush to wash down the demon liquor Inc had fed him. He takes a few big gulps, looks at the drink, then shoots me the most withering look haha. I recently saw a YouTube video of the events leading up to this. It was a childish thing to do but to 19 year old me, it was hella funny. He did sign my TL winged horse shirt earlier though, so that was nice. Got signatures from SkyHigh, Effort, Savior, and Nada on the back, and from foreign pros on the front like Inc, Idra, and Machine as well as a few others. Shirt still hangs in my closet and I look at it fondly from time to time  Anyway, Savior can be lauded for his contributions to the game in a vacuum and demonized for the detriment he brought to the scene. In short, fuck Savior and I hope he never gets the opportunity to play an esport ever again. Harsh stance to take for someone who has also had a shader past in this game, but a fair one considering the fallout. Would you please give me that shirt signed by sAviOr, i mean such a shame for you to have a shirt signed by this arrogant bastard, you need to be more harsh with yourself bro, don't keep that shirt, yes give it to me. Don't bring doom upon your life by holding a savior signed shirt. wtf man, fuck savior after all!!!
If you really want one I think I have mine somewhere. If I recall correctly it's savior, stork, sea, idra, tasteless and manifesto7 on mine.
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I feel kinda sorry for him, I wish he would be allowed to comeback.
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The true bonjwa sAviOr, baller status.
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Guy was the best player during his time and maybe (one of) the greatest of all time and yea he did unethical stuff but still I think its a shame that we cant leave it now. I prefer seeing him play this game than seeing him being denied to play it. I mean he could offer so much and I really think most of the hate is because people are jealous and/or just dislike him as a person and not because of the matchfixing.
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On May 18 2017 04:55 AmstAff wrote:
and I really think most of the hate is because people are jealous and/or just dislike him as a person and not because of the matchfixing.
you are very wrong.
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On May 18 2017 04:55 AmstAff wrote:
Guy was the best broker during his time and maybe (one of) the greatest broker of all time.
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On May 18 2017 03:04 castleeMg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2017 01:04 biryusky wrote:
As Probemicro said, hes currently working as a chaffeur. He tried to stream but got banned from streaming ANY game on afreeca. Currently he only streams himself on camera.
He tried to stream on a couple other platforms too, just that they were banned almost immediately due to reports and Kespa taking action.
Tbh, it serves him right in that everything about this guy was fucked up. Iris talked about savior on stream, more like a rant but when they were both on CJ savior basically had no friends because his personality was so shitty. He called him a sly, arrogant bastard who will just use you to get whatever he needs, and you can pretty much see that in what he did with brokers along with the matchfixing scandal (lots of players actually didnt profit much from the matchfixing, savior did ). While members were practicing he was the only one wasting time on other entertainment stuff (said he was meeting girls instead of practicing bw).
The age culture being strong in Korea if you were of younger age you would have to greet people of older age respectfully. Well, he straight up ignored greetings from other students and the like. No one liked him at CJ.
It makes sense too. Savior put a hell of a final blow on the death of Broodwar in Korea and he still, STILL! tries to stream broodwar. He knows better than anyone that hes banned, but he doesnt realize hes the scum of the earth by the broodwar fans that were there. Had he any respect left for Broodwar community he should stop trying. But nope, he wants to stream. he wants to open up a shopping mall. He wants to use the popularity that he once had (which is twisted af in the sense that he blew it all up by matchfixing) , and he sued a lot of people for making remarks about matchfixing as well.
By the way, DarkElf was promised $5K for his matchfixed game. Savior took $3K from the profit and never said shit. that is really interesting if what you stated is true, wondering if anyone can confirm this view on savior within the pro scene
As stated by multiple progamers (including former CJ Entus players), I can confirm that this view of him within the scene is true.
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He deserves all the wraith for his major contribution to damaging the reputation of BW scene and e-sports in general.
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