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BfA Community Links: GP : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/KKMpKPSlgd?region=EU&faction=Horde TLEUH : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/v9x5bAF3jD?region=EU&faction=Horde TLEUA : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/ALwgJnC5Wo?region=EU&faction=Alliance TLNAH : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/vPrmjJxiVnJ?region=US&faction=Horde TLNAA : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/YeZj7P0SXLn?region=US&faction=Alliance Bnet: Bnet - https://blizzard.com/invite/amvLM0EubJv On November 03 2016 06:57 GTR wrote: I've created a Google Form/Spreadsheet for people to help add eachother. Hopefully this will makes things easier for us to find people for Mythic+ runs and what not as opposed to sifting through 150+ pages of discussion. Form Spreadsheet If a moderator could add this as a moderator note at the top it'd be appreciated. | ||
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On August 02 2016 06:06 DCRed wrote: In case someone is coming back and simply doesn't know, never use noxxic and Icy-Veins can have some useful information but if you're really looking for mythic raiding you're better off searching class specific things. Of course stat weights aren't posted yet because everything is still subject to change, stuff takes a while and TCs have better stuff to do than post guides how to pad during pre-patch. Stat prios can be found thought and that's what matter going into legion. Is item X better than Y, well you need PAWN for that anyway so hard to say. Check IV if you've to but MMOC class forums, discord class servers or classes with dedicated sites are the best sources. If you use noxxic you're shooting yourself in the foot thinking this is how it's supposed to work. | ||
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Each new expansion they remove or change something they have added in 1 or 2 expansions before. I get that they are trying to improve the game but really? Soul shards, into embers/soul shards and now soul shards again? Do they even have a clue of what they want to do with this game? The most fun I had with a class was Destrolock, but ever since MoP where it really shined, it's fucked over by Blizzard. I watched some Legion videos where Chaos Bolt hits 400-500k at most (on the other hand,, the warriors seem to hit 1mil already in Legion vods), with people having 2mil hp. In MoP, I remember CBolt, fully buffed with auras etc hit around 250k, when people had 600-650k HP. It was damn well worth to cast, even though the meta was (and has been since the dawn of time) dominated by melee classes which made every cast an issue. I still think WoW was better pre-Cata, but MoP Destro was really fun. It had two things, one was Fel Flame which gave you something to do while you were trying to get that pesky Warrior off your ass, and secondly, Incinerate hit decent and if you could manage to cast Chaos Bolt (usually combined with Havoc+Coil/Shadowfury or in between CCs if you get the chance) it gave you the chance to dictate the game, put pressure and force mistakes. However, the only viable Destro spec I see in Legion is a joke, spamming Shadowburns and jumping around. Pathetic. They keep adding new, seemingly cool shit that is not necessary. Wtf is up with that portal shit? Why would we need a fire and forget ability? Just keep that core feel of the spec and that's all. What is that for Destro? Spells hit hard. What is weakness? Melee. That is okay, however at least give the damn class a chance for dealing with that. In MoP, destrolocks could be a threat. I never had so much fun as I did with my Lock in MoP. It wasn't a cakewalk, but it was viable. That brings me to something else, the continued ability pruning/removing. Some baseline abilities are now talents and you need to pick between one of them. Shadowburn vs Backdraft. Seriously? It's like you want to eat hamburger and waiter wants you to pick between the bun and the meat. I checked Death Knighs and they were gutted too, some new wound shit they have added and removed a bunch of spells, turned them into talents. Where is this trend going to end? They keep adding new things (most of them don't work as they intended or are downright terrible anyway) and the next expansion, they just remove it and add a whole bunch of new shit. There is no consistency anymore in design. Just decide on something and keep at it, only improve it if it's necessary. Not turn the whole thing over its head every single freaking expansion. It's not just gameplay, it's class flavour too. Soul Reaper and Necrotic Plague were really cool, because of LK fight as these were the abilities he used. It allowed for some RP factor. However they are getting changed/removed in Legion. I really, really want a stable, Blizzlike private server to play the game pre-Cata, when it made sense. | ||
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Cyro
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Of course stat weights aren't posted yet because everything is still subject to change, stuff takes a while and TCs have better stuff to do than post guides how to pad during pre-patch. It's not just about padding during pre-patch.. If you do 25% more damage in the prepatch then you do 25% more damage on day 1 of legion - and of course, you should know how to gear going into legion as well. Stat prios can be found thought and that's what matter going into legion. Is item X better than Y, well you need PAWN for that anyway so hard to say. Pawn is literally just a calculator that you put simple stat weights in to save you from doing the math on every item by hand. Stat weights will change, of course, they do change sometimes even dramatically with certain talents and gear levels - but there's more than enough information to go on right now. Take this for MM hunters for example: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/VwshOa8.jpg) It tells you some stuff very obviously, you do not want crit or versatility basically at all. This gives much more information than "mastery is better than vers.. or is it? This other guide disagrees!" You know exactly how bad these stats are and how they compare to mainstat as well as eachother. And of course there is simcraft, this wonderful profile that the hunter people have created so you can swap out trinkets and gear and see for yourself what is better and by how much. It's not perfect, but it's something to start with and the next expansion, they just remove it and add a whole bunch of new shit. There is no consistency anymore in design. Just decide on something and keep at it, only improve it if it's necessary. I do agree there. They deleted hunters and remade them from the ground up and most of the hunter community is in agreement that MM and BM are worse for it. | ||
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On August 06 2016 19:39 Pandemona wrote: Don't use Noxxic jesus christ, using noxxic is like asking Donald Trump for advice, you just don't do it! Icy veins is the one to use as that is mostly high class end game PvE'rs that make those guides. It's really funny, even Watcher shit talked Noxxic during a Q&A: "People went to Icy-Veins and found a wall of text, and some probably went to Noxxic to find wrong information and being misled" | ||
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On August 06 2016 19:39 Pandemona wrote: Don't use Noxxic jesus christ, using noxxic is like asking Donald Trump for advice, you just don't do it! Icy veins is the one to use as that is mostly high class end game PvE'rs that make those guides. Excuse my ignorance, since I haven't played WoW in like 6 years but, whatever happened to Elitist Jerks? They used to be the best at theorycrafting, determining stat weights, optimal rotations and the likes due to their heavy reliance on the mathematical method and empirical evidence. | ||
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On August 08 2016 19:47 Destructicon wrote: Excuse my ignorance, since I haven't played WoW in like 6 years but, whatever happened to Elitist Jerks? They used to be the best at theorycrafting, determining stat weights, optimal rotations and the likes due to their heavy reliance on the mathematical method and empirical evidence. https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/3n4fjv/why_did_elitist_jerks_die_out/ Died :D Alter Time used be very useful for mages too, but to be honest most of the WoW stuff is based on Icy Veins and MMO Champion, those two are the only websites you really need. Other than that if you cba to read just watch streams, many good players stream from PvE and PvP. I mean watching Reckful alone is fine to learn WoW PvP, guy is that good. However good informational streams on top of him are around :D But i just read at Icy Veins / MMO Champion class forums at work cuz i get bored  | ||
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Does IcyVeins provide the same type of analysis as EJ did? I don't expect as much thoroughness, just a reliance on mathematical models and empirical evidence. | ||
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On August 08 2016 21:09 Destructicon wrote: Sad to hear about Elitist Jerks the site, but at least most of the theory-crafters ended up in a better place. Does IcyVeins provide the same type of analysis as EJ did? I don't expect as much thoroughness, just a reliance on mathematical models and empirical evidence. Normally guides are written by people in top raiding guilds using Simulationcraft and logs, but right now since we're between expansions they're just anecdotal. I'd imagine about 2-3 weeks into Legion we'll get good guides again. | ||
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Cyro
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On August 08 2016 21:09 Destructicon wrote: Sad to hear about Elitist Jerks the site, but at least most of the theory-crafters ended up in a better place. Does IcyVeins provide the same type of analysis as EJ did? I don't expect as much thoroughness, just a reliance on mathematical models and empirical evidence. From what i've seen of icy-veins (which is not actually that much) they're more of a centralized site where theorycrafters from various communities post their stuff - they try to have a guide up for every spec though the quality varies sometimes | ||
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Pandemona
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But yeah like death says, because we are in between expansions there is just a little rotational guide with what is working so far in 7.0 patch. | ||
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