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BfA Community Links: GP : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/KKMpKPSlgd?region=EU&faction=Horde TLEUH : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/v9x5bAF3jD?region=EU&faction=Horde TLEUA : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/ALwgJnC5Wo?region=EU&faction=Alliance TLNAH : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/vPrmjJxiVnJ?region=US&faction=Horde TLNAA : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/YeZj7P0SXLn?region=US&faction=Alliance Bnet: Bnet - https://blizzard.com/invite/amvLM0EubJv On November 03 2016 06:57 GTR wrote: I've created a Google Form/Spreadsheet for people to help add eachother. Hopefully this will makes things easier for us to find people for Mythic+ runs and what not as opposed to sifting through 150+ pages of discussion. Form Spreadsheet If a moderator could add this as a moderator note at the top it'd be appreciated. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
On July 28 2016 01:19 Redox wrote: Wont watch a video but silence seems such a small punishment that autmatic is completely ok imo. How is it okay for people who have done nothing wrong to be punished? Or what if a group of assholes began to mass report an individual, they could get him repeatedly silenced for doing nothing wrong because it's an automated system. This system is clearly flawed and absolutely awful in its current state. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21641 Posts
On July 28 2016 01:51 Unleashing wrote: How is it okay for people who have done nothing wrong to be punished? Or what if a group of assholes began to mass report an individual, they could get him repeatedly silenced for doing nothing wrong because it's an automated system. This system is clearly flawed and absolutely awful in its current state. Once again, volume means that such a system can never practically be manually handled. There will always be a cut-off below which reactions are automated. | ||
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Duka08
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On July 28 2016 01:51 Unleashing wrote: How is it okay for people who have done nothing wrong to be punished? Or what if a group of assholes began to mass report an individual, they could get him repeatedly silenced for doing nothing wrong because it's an automated system. This system is clearly flawed and absolutely awful in its current state. I don't think people would argue that it's flawed, nor that people that did nothing wrong should be punished. But I think the point is, is the silence "punishment" so bad that it would actively interfere with a raid or other group activity, presuming everyone is using some form of third party voice chat...? People seem to be up in arms about the whole thing, and it's somewhat justified, but is it actually destroying players' experiences? Like, I just want to make sure that people are upset about the fact that Blizz was misleading about the system ("it's checked/reviewed before the ban", obviously not), rather than innocent people's game time being "wasted" by group reports. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20285 Posts
It seems to be at least semi replacing automatic temp ban punishments, which were far worse and absolutely did affect all game activity. Blizzard said multiple times that it wouldn't be an automated system though, and it is.. so why lie? They could have said that they were changing the automatic temp ban punishments to automatic silences after player gets reported X amount of times and it would have been a good thing and good PR. They could also explain some kind of system for review of false punishments. Since the silence duration doubles every time, this could quickly result in innocents being silenced for weeks to months which WOULD ruin their game. There obviously has to be some kind of review system. | ||
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Alventenie
United States2147 Posts
On July 28 2016 01:54 Duka08 wrote: I don't think people would argue that it's flawed, nor that people that did nothing wrong should be punished. But I think the point is, is the silence "punishment" so bad that it would actively interfere with a raid or other group activity, presuming everyone is using some form of third party voice chat...? People seem to be up in arms about the whole thing, and it's somewhat justified, but is it actually destroying players' experiences? Like, I just want to make sure that people are upset about the fact that Blizz was misleading about the system ("it's checked/reviewed before the ban", obviously not), rather than innocent people's game time being "wasted" by group reports. Some people in the team I raided with did not speak on microphones. They were required to be in Vent/TS/mumble to listen but it was not required to talk. In general we only had like ~15-20% of the raid actively talking through out the raid so it would be rather annoying if someone who usually types is silenced for something like a mass of people reporting them for saying 'hi' or the like. @Redox: The video is pretty self explanatory but if you won't watch it this is part of the problem as to why people don't seem to care. You think the punishment is fine, even though the system is abusable. And you may never have to experience it but there are people that do and this video proves it and is trying to show people that Blizzard doesn't have the system they say they do. I don't think someone should be silenced if they are getting mass reported by other people for pure abuse. If they are breaking the rules and saying offensive things in chat then fine, but to be mass reported for anything, even as little as 'hi', and being silenced for it is pretty bad on Blizzard's part. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On July 28 2016 01:56 Cyro wrote: Blizzard said multiple times that it wouldn't be an automated system though, and it is.. so why lie? They could have said that they were changing the automatic temp ban punishments to automatic silences after player gets reported X amount of times and it would have been a good thing and good PR. To prevent abuse. If they say its automatic and player reports will not be checked it will be abused much more obviously. | ||
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SheaR619
United States2399 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On July 28 2016 04:30 Alventenie wrote: Some people in the team I raided with did not speak on microphones. They were required to be in Vent/TS/mumble to listen but it was not required to talk. In general we only had like ~15-20% of the raid actively talking through out the raid so it would be rather annoying if someone who usually types is silenced for something like a mass of people reporting them for saying 'hi' or the like. @Redox: The video is pretty self explanatory but if you won't watch it this is part of the problem as to why people don't seem to care. You think the punishment is fine, even though the system is abusable. And you may never have to experience it but there are people that do and this video proves it and is trying to show people that Blizzard doesn't have the system they say they do. I don't think someone should be silenced if they are getting mass reported by other people for pure abuse. If they are breaking the rules and saying offensive things in chat then fine, but to be mass reported for anything, even as little as 'hi', and being silenced for it is pretty bad on Blizzard's part. Silenced players can talk in raids and groups and to friends. And reply to whispers from anyone. If I was silenced I might not even notice because its rather rare that I talk to random people. In any case I would not care at all if I was "punished" like that, no matter if justified or not. This is mostly about spam in trade / general chat. Which is why I feel this "outrage" is rather silly. | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
Asmongold's video even shows automated squelch has existed for 5+ years and it only now becomes an epidemic "fuck blizzard how dare you treat me this way mob justice" because Blizzard made its existence public | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20285 Posts
These go hand in hand because you wouldn't need an appeals process if the punishment was human reviewed as they said it was. | ||
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Duka08
3391 Posts
On July 28 2016 04:30 Alventenie wrote: Some people in the team I raided with did not speak on microphones. They were required to be in Vent/TS/mumble to listen but it was not required to talk. In general we only had like ~15-20% of the raid actively talking through out the raid so it would be rather annoying if someone who usually types is silenced for something like a mass of people reporting them for saying 'hi' or the like. But as others have said, it doesn't affect party or raid chat. Never did. So even if you can't voice chat it doesn't affect your ability to communicate when it actually matters, in a raid or what not. It really feels like people bitching for the sake of bitching. I can't imagine many scenarios where it actively hurts a player's ability to do what they need to do in-game. I have no idea why Blizz decided to lie about the fact that it's fully automated or whatever, that's a total laugh and I can understand why people would call them out on that, but it's quite clear at this point that they're getting an earful about it so they'll bend at some point and clarify the whole thing I'm sure. Either way it's a strange thing for what feels like a serious fraction of the community to be totally up in arms and crusading about. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20285 Posts
I can't imagine many scenarios where it actively hurts a player's ability to do what they need to do in-game The silence duration doubles every time so it'll turn into a month of disabled chats (aside from inside personally made groups) quite quickly if it gets out of hand. It disables chats in all instances that you queue into, just not groups that you manually make and then walk into the instance with. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21641 Posts
On July 29 2016 04:21 Cyro wrote: The silence duration doubles every time so it'll turn into a month of disabled chats (aside from inside personally made groups) quite quickly if it gets out of hand. It disables chats in all instances that you queue into, just not groups that you manually make and then walk into the instance with. It is unlikely the higher punishments are not reviewed. The normal situation these systems work is that low level punishment is automated while higher level is checked, because the volume of high level punishment is low enough to allow checking. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
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Cyro
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21641 Posts
On August 01 2016 10:08 Cyro wrote: I'm so out of the loop for most classes+specs. Did they remove Wrath from druids? Its Solar Wrath now, and Feral doesnt have it. | ||
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