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On November 03 2016 06:57 GTR wrote:
I've created a Google Form/Spreadsheet for people to help add eachother.

Hopefully this will makes things easier for us to find people for Mythic+ runs and what not as opposed to sifting through 150+ pages of discussion.

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If a moderator could add this as a moderator note at the top it'd be appreciated.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
February 14 2019 03:32 GMT
#10461
2 classes unplayable in vanilla lmao.
Never Knows Best.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
February 14 2019 09:43 GMT
#10462
On February 14 2019 10:07 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2019 09:19 Cyro wrote:
What went wrong with overwatch esports?

I'll have to refer you to articles written on the league and from interviews with the players for a satisfactory background and answer. The lines of criticism are kind of a mush in my mind, considering the two bigger eSports failures were games I did not personally play. The foremost in my mind was our very own (ok former) stuchiu's mini-failure from Blizzard. Beforehand, various articles detailing the insane amounts of money invested that didn't keep viewers interested long enough to justify the investment and sponsors and buzz. Then dissatisfied streamers. The breadth and specifics of Blizzard's role are a little too large for me to reproduce here, but I'm sure internet searches would get you the same content I read to form my opinion.

I feel like for HOTS at least, the thing that went wrong is its soooo slow to watch, i watched some tourney and 5 kills @ 40 minutes was an "overthe top and exciting game" when you could go watch Dota for example, know nothing about whats happening and still be entertained cause it isnt as hard to figure out, nor is it slow. League to a lesser extent cause its also just as slow as heroes in some respects(long game low kills) or at least was the last time I watched anyway.


That and blizzard pulling out of the market.
For overwatch for me it was like say, CS without the high skill cap and its like watching someone pin 20 headshots on a tanky character isnt anywhere near as exciting as someone flicking and headshotting 2 people in a 1v2 for example.
Most of their esports in those 2 cases are drawn from the fact they're not very fun to watch compared to other more established games out there imo.

Sc2 suffers from poor balance management among other things as well(things BW never had to worry about) and they've afaik patched less stuff character wise in wc3 than sc2 in recent years. Since a big thing in that can tip the favor would be x creep dropping a super good item more often than others, which at times ive read can be completely game breaking in some situations.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
kiouzs
Profile Joined February 2019
4 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-14 16:35:33
February 14 2019 16:29 GMT
#10463
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-14 16:51:16
February 14 2019 16:49 GMT
#10464
Your a moron if you think linking kills of a few bosses (by a couple guilds in PRIVATE servers) proves anything, let alone your ridiculous premise that two classes were unplayable during vanilla. Why don't I link you Uldir/BoD boss kills and try to argue that classes not there are unviable in bfa lmao.

Please try harder. You are slipping.
Never Knows Best.
kiouzs
Profile Joined February 2019
4 Posts
February 14 2019 16:52 GMT
#10465
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-14 16:58:36
February 14 2019 16:57 GMT
#10466
So Speed running Naxx in private servers on raids they have long since had on farm status is the same as progression raiding now is it?

Why are you shifting the goal posts now? It went from 2 classes being unplayable to "show me a raid where there is many hunters/druids".

Never Knows Best.
kiouzs
Profile Joined February 2019
4 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-14 16:59:37
February 14 2019 16:58 GMT
#10467
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-14 17:05:36
February 14 2019 16:59 GMT
#10468
On February 15 2019 01:58 kiouzs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2019 01:57 Slaughter wrote:
So Speed running Naxx in private servers on raids they have long since had on farm status is the same as progression raiding now is it?

Why are you shifting the goal posts now? It went from 2 classes being unplayable to "show me a raid where there is many hunters/druids".


You cant argue against it


I did you are just ignoring it *shrug*

Your own videos don't even prove your point as at least 2 of those videos both contain hunters and druids. Hmm somehow unplayable despite being brought by private server raiders who have min maxed everything about the game. Hmm yet they still brought unplayable classes.
Never Knows Best.
kiouzs
Profile Joined February 2019
4 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-14 17:09:46
February 14 2019 17:07 GMT
#10469
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-14 17:29:33
February 14 2019 17:26 GMT
#10470
You are acting like optimized runs of one raid tier years after the fact somehow are relevant to a classes viability when it was current (comparing private server environment to retail vanilla is silly). Or on another level that you are just focusing on PvE in ONE raid tier. How were Druids/Hunters for the other raid tiers or in PvP? Do you even know? Doesn't seem like you played Vanilla or even current WoW tbh.

Should everyone whose classes were not brought to Method's world 1st Mythic clear of BoD just reroll? Shit I play a Frost DK and they aren't doing that great in BoD...I mean its insane to think that if you aren't part of some optimal comp that is pushing cutting edge that your class is trash and not viable to be played. Its that kind of garbage logic that make certain classes/specs having a hard time getting groups in BFA.

Not sure who Prometheus is but if he has argued against this point you are failing to make then yea I agree with him.

Never Knows Best.
tremni
Profile Joined February 2019
1 Post
Last Edited: 2019-02-14 17:49:37
February 14 2019 17:43 GMT
#10471
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-14 17:59:59
February 14 2019 17:57 GMT
#10472
Can you stop linking private server speed runs as if they mean anything to Vanilla back when it was current or Classic when it comes out? Or you know just in general? You could do the same thing with raid tiers today. Doesn't make the classes not taken not viable or that no one will play them (omg people playing stuff that isn't considered top tier? *gasp*).

Why would I post youtube videos? They aren't actual evidence lol.
Never Knows Best.
Amarok
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia2003 Posts
February 15 2019 09:08 GMT
#10473
Wait, he thinks Druids were unplayable in Vanilla?

The 2.5 years I spent playing a Druid in Vanilla must have been a hallucination.
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-16 13:04:55
February 15 2019 10:26 GMT
#10474
It was a minority in vanilla to even raid, let alone speedrunning naxx
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Soan
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
New Zealand194 Posts
February 15 2019 20:04 GMT
#10475
Didn't druids exist to innervate priests back then. At least that's what I remember doing. There was certainly no way I was playing feral/balance too.
Alventenie
Profile Joined July 2007
United States2147 Posts
February 15 2019 22:13 GMT
#10476
On February 16 2019 05:04 Soan wrote:
Didn't druids exist to innervate priests back then. At least that's what I remember doing. There was certainly no way I was playing feral/balance too.


Our raid group had feral, boomie, and resto druids. We progressed fine (server 1st group) and none of them were a massive hindrance in fights.

However, that doesn't mean classic when it comes out will replicate that experience. A large majority of people were bad players in vanilla and most of the time was spent learning the game and how things work (Like a lot of + weapon skill info wasn't even fully researched until AQ40 stuff).

With previous knowledge of how it all works, people are going to be playing at a much higher level just due to the amount of info available. It will not replicate how vanilla played and anyone that thinks that way is probably setting themself up for being a bit disappointed.
Amarok
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia2003 Posts
February 16 2019 07:03 GMT
#10477
Resto was fine. You innervated priests because they benefited more from Spirit based regen. My hps and effective healing was comparable to any healer in my guild. Effective healing was about good group organisation as much as it was anything else.

The issue for Balance was gear. There was very little spell damage leather so they needed to have access to cloth and most guilds had too many cloth classes to even consider letting that happen. If you somehow did though you hit very very hard. I remember a Druid on my server call Stian who managed to get access to a cloth set and absolutely dominated BGs.

That's all from memory tbf. It was a long time ago.
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity
mixahfd
Profile Joined February 2019
1 Post
Last Edited: 2019-02-16 08:03:33
February 16 2019 07:56 GMT
#10478
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kupla
Profile Joined February 2019
1 Post
February 16 2019 15:47 GMT
#10479
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tolpo
Profile Joined February 2019
1 Post
February 16 2019 20:27 GMT
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