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both have continued to be updated since then but tl;dr no competition with dx11
related video for WoW dropping features for further win10 integration
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BfA Community Links: GP : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/KKMpKPSlgd?region=EU&faction=Horde TLEUH : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/v9x5bAF3jD?region=EU&faction=Horde TLEUA : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/ALwgJnC5Wo?region=EU&faction=Alliance TLNAH : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/vPrmjJxiVnJ?region=US&faction=Horde TLNAA : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/YeZj7P0SXLn?region=US&faction=Alliance Bnet: Bnet - https://blizzard.com/invite/amvLM0EubJv On November 03 2016 06:57 GTR wrote: I've created a Google Form/Spreadsheet for people to help add eachother. Hopefully this will makes things easier for us to find people for Mythic+ runs and what not as opposed to sifting through 150+ pages of discussion. Form Spreadsheet If a moderator could add this as a moderator note at the top it'd be appreciated. | ||
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Cyro
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both have continued to be updated since then but tl;dr no competition with dx11 related video for WoW dropping features for further win10 integration | ||
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Cyro
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https://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/1090621-feeback-fury-warrior-rotation-talents/ not much for havoc yet (needs polish and bugfixing if not more major changes) aside from new azerite trait which seems cool: Blade Dance deals 60 additional damage, and the cost of your next Blade Dance is reduced by 5 Fury for each enemy struck by the final slash. Also are we going to WoW: BFA thread? I remember complaining that we made the Legion thread 60% through WOD, now we're ~85% through Legion ;D M+ seasons, ooh! ^bit dramatic and highly controversial but i think he makes some good points --- Havoc is not currently playable because souls aren't working (edit: fixed in new new build after wf testing) Warfront seemed quite fun, a bit weird since it took over an hour from game start to end and it's pretty hard to lose against the AI. 90% of the people there had no idea what to do for obvious reasons and there was minimal guidance ingame. | ||
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Seuss
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Recklessness should probably be off the GCD in its current state. | ||
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Warri
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 ( ), simplified consecration. Looks like its becoming more like a shitty guardian but lets see. Im not too hyped. | ||
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Alventenie
United States2147 Posts
With all their CDs up Sloot was basically invincible in consecration. I haven't healed him since the changes but maybe this week will get to go around some other mythics with pallies to see. I dont tank on pally, but most of what I hear is that they feel a little better overall since they aren't as reliant as having sotr up. This can run into problems in long fights that you need all your cds on just to survive. But they also nerfed a bunch of dungeons with this last patch so a lot of the hard bosses now are really easy and don't pose much threat =/. | ||
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Alventenie
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There should still be a lot of trinket tuning as well because some trinkets are super strong and others are worthless. Like 355 uldir trinket that is on use to give target a buff that increases your heal spells by 3400 per cast for 5 casts, so about ~17k healing. In M0 your tank is getting hit for sometimes 30-40k from abilities. 17k is nothing. Compare this to a 310 normal dungeon trinket that gives you mana per heal spell cast (I cant remember exact amount atm, but i think its like ~2400 per cast for 6 casts, so around ~15k mana). I realize they aren't the same type of trinket, but I would always value being able to cast longer than have slightly higher through put for a very small duration of time. edit: went to check. My 310 trinket restores 4539 mana per spell casts up to 6 casts in next 15 seconds. At 340 it restores 5400 mana per cast. Thats close to 30k mana (out of our 100k mana pool) for spells every 2 minutes. That gives way more imo than a small 15k extra healing every 1.5 minutes 1 target. One vivify + gust of mist for me is ~14.5 without any cleave effect or crits. | ||
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Cyro
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Yep, there are a few that are really powerful atm, like warriors bladestorm one. Awkward if it's optimal to have the same trait taking up 2-3 azerite slots and staying on your gear tier to tier. Havoc has one of those and plays trash without it, okay with it IMO. Not great, either way - but that one trait is hugely important, more-so than fury warrior COF on the live game. It's really weird holding a range of 20 second cooldown abilities for another ability with a locked 30 second CD, that shouldn't be the optimal way to play IMO - and of course when an azerite trait pops up that can reduce those 30 seconds to 22 seconds, that's extremely overpowered because it alters the way that you play in a major way. -- Biggest other issue - in Legion, crit makes Chaos Strike do 184% extra damage and increases the fury refund chance. Chaos Strike is most of the damage in Legion unless fighting many (6+) targets. In BFA, crit makes it do 100% extra damage and doesn't affect the refund chance - so it does about half as much for the ability. CS damage does a much smaller portion of your overall damage because it doesn't hit for as much and Chaos Cleave was deleted (10% of CS damage hits every target within X yards of you, so it'd do 1.5x damage if there were 5 targets). Those changes are enough to flip crit from the best stat to the worst by far. Eyebeam also does double damage to the primary target now and still cannot crit, so the formerly BIS stat would become trash tier worse than versatility for damage output. I do like haste and mastery as stats - mastery still gives runspeed, though that's nerfed too (rip DH mobility) and hitting fasterer can feel nice, especially when ability CD's scale from it. Legion Havoc is one of the highest APM specs that there have been in the last 4 years. I think that eyebeam needs to be able to crit or there should be some other benefit from critting somewhere on the spec to make the stat weights work. EB CD could scale from haste too maybe, as Immo aura does (also a 30 second base CD but more like 20-23 in practice). Metamorphosis gives us significant time periods of 1.25x haste so the CD's that scale from haste get bumped down quite a bit. | ||
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Alventenie
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I hope they make the traits more interesting without breaking stuff, but I can see how its hard. Right now I like the ones with secondary stats over effects because the healing ones are pretty meh. Main ones I see is Overflowing mists, where a target with Enveloping mists on them gets healed for ~380 hp everytime a mob does damage to them (in mythics this is like 8-9k melees minimum? Its pretty worthless compared to say, 500 haste or crit) | ||
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Warri
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Blizzard again with the 1 step forward 2 steps back. Think about how much you like skittish weeks in m+. We are way past vanilla in terms of dps design and encounter design, having to watch for threat constantly again is gonna be brutal and unfun. I doubt this will stay tbh. | ||
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Gorsameth
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The only point where this will matter is with fresh spawns during an encounter (and that is what taunt is for) and when doing big aoe pulls where you will need to wait 2 seconds for threat. | ||
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lestye
United States4275 Posts
Idk, maybe i'm just old and should let the modern wow tank design do its own thing and play Classic for that type of gameplay. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22675 Posts
On May 29 2018 23:18 Warri wrote: Tank actually, since Vanilla so I know how things used to be.Let me guess, youre a range class? | ||
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Cyro
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I think it's an essential step to pushing dungeons towards the gameplay that is more fun IMO (focusing targets, CCing some, fighting 1-2 packs at a time) instead of constantly doing mass AOE pulls everywhere because it's the only way to play most of the time. AFAIK the nerf isn't big enough for tanks to struggle with threat against any DPSers on a single target and i doubt blizzard would want to make it that way. Threat can be relevant with tanks still able to easily hold 1 target but unable to hold three seperate targets that three high end DPSers are opening up full ST on. There is the whole discussion of if threat should be relevant or not, but if it's not then i'd rather it be a complete nonfactor and every mob just always attack tanks then. I prefer threat to no threat. The trivialization of tank mechanics including threat was a big part of why i stopped tanking mainspec after WOTLK and Cata. | ||
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Seuss
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It's tricky to make threat relevant because of two persistent problems in the pre-MoP era. The first was that tank threat generation generally didn't scale as quickly as DPS did. The second was the huge disparity in threat generation across skill levels. A skilled tank was largely fine (with help from misdirects, tricks, and threat reduction/reset abilities on DPS outliers), but if there was a significant difference in skill or gear the tank's poor threat would bottleneck everything (which wasn't a great experience for either the tank or anyone else). | ||
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