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{ToT}ColmA
Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
December 17 2015 15:52 GMT
#681
u did not need mages to kill mannoroth thou, dk on the other hand, u needed - in a time when progression mattered
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Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-17 16:09:03
December 17 2015 16:02 GMT
#682
On December 17 2015 07:54 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2015 07:45 Figgy wrote:
On December 16 2015 21:16 Gorsameth wrote:
On December 16 2015 21:06 deth2munkies wrote:
On December 16 2015 20:10 Gorsameth wrote:
On December 16 2015 12:43 FinestHour wrote:
so what does a dk bring to a raid in legion lol

Why does a dps need to bring more then damage?
I would much rather have that niches like mass grip don't exist so that you can actually bring the player and not the class.


Then what's the fucking point of classes if every single one does comparable damage and has no unique abilities?

look and feel?
In what world is "You got to boss X without Class Y to satisfy niche Z so the fight is 4x as hard. Have fun" good game design?


This is part of what made me quit wow in WOD. Melee being absolutely trash tier in this expansion DPS wise made me really not want to play and I really didn't want to have to juggle 3 alts to be viable when raiding already takes up enough time to begin with and gearing up my Ret Pally/DK took long enough with both being absolutely 100% worthless in a raiding environment compared to any ranged classes.

However the main reason I quit WoD was because Blizzard continued to shit all over pvp players by releasing a net total of ZERO effort or change for the last 2 years and the insane alliance vs horde imbalance. If they continue to just not care about pvp players whatsoever I'll never sub to another blizzard game again.

Might want to read http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/19994381/legion-pvp-preview-12-16-2015 then
Its the new blog about PvP in Legion.

So now you have to level up instead of gearing up before you are on even footing in PvP. Only that leveling up will probably take longer than gearing up takes now. Idk what is so much better about that.
Also question remains if leveling up will be gated like gearing up now or if you can just grind it.
Off-season = best season
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4195 Posts
December 17 2015 16:15 GMT
#683
On December 17 2015 20:51 Vallelol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2015 08:00 Amarok wrote:
On December 17 2015 07:54 Gorsameth wrote:
On December 17 2015 07:45 Figgy wrote:
On December 16 2015 21:16 Gorsameth wrote:
On December 16 2015 21:06 deth2munkies wrote:
On December 16 2015 20:10 Gorsameth wrote:
On December 16 2015 12:43 FinestHour wrote:
so what does a dk bring to a raid in legion lol

Why does a dps need to bring more then damage?
I would much rather have that niches like mass grip don't exist so that you can actually bring the player and not the class.


Then what's the fucking point of classes if every single one does comparable damage and has no unique abilities?

look and feel?
In what world is "You got to boss X without Class Y to satisfy niche Z so the fight is 4x as hard. Have fun" good game design?


This is part of what made me quit wow in WOD. Melee being absolutely trash tier in this expansion DPS wise made me really not want to play and I really didn't want to have to juggle 3 alts to be viable when raiding already takes up enough time to begin with and gearing up my Ret Pally/DK took long enough with both being absolutely 100% worthless in a raiding environment compared to any ranged classes.

However the main reason I quit WoD was because Blizzard continued to shit all over pvp players by releasing a net total of ZERO effort or change for the last 2 years and the insane alliance vs horde imbalance. If they continue to just not care about pvp players whatsoever I'll never sub to another blizzard game again.

Might want to read http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/19994381/legion-pvp-preview-12-16-2015 then
Its the new blog about PvP in Legion.


Those PvP gearing changes are amazing and something WoW needed (and other games have had) for a very very long time. It's funny to see people raging on about how "there's no point" to PvP anymore but Blizzard have made their own bed on that one.


Only thing I dislike is that I have no power over secondary stats, I liked chosing between going full crit/full mastery/full haste etc.


I think it's good for the longrun. I think you'll still have choice in PVP and regular talents tho.



On December 18 2015 01:02 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2015 07:54 Gorsameth wrote:
On December 17 2015 07:45 Figgy wrote:
On December 16 2015 21:16 Gorsameth wrote:
On December 16 2015 21:06 deth2munkies wrote:
On December 16 2015 20:10 Gorsameth wrote:
On December 16 2015 12:43 FinestHour wrote:
so what does a dk bring to a raid in legion lol

Why does a dps need to bring more then damage?
I would much rather have that niches like mass grip don't exist so that you can actually bring the player and not the class.


Then what's the fucking point of classes if every single one does comparable damage and has no unique abilities?

look and feel?
In what world is "You got to boss X without Class Y to satisfy niche Z so the fight is 4x as hard. Have fun" good game design?


This is part of what made me quit wow in WOD. Melee being absolutely trash tier in this expansion DPS wise made me really not want to play and I really didn't want to have to juggle 3 alts to be viable when raiding already takes up enough time to begin with and gearing up my Ret Pally/DK took long enough with both being absolutely 100% worthless in a raiding environment compared to any ranged classes.

However the main reason I quit WoD was because Blizzard continued to shit all over pvp players by releasing a net total of ZERO effort or change for the last 2 years and the insane alliance vs horde imbalance. If they continue to just not care about pvp players whatsoever I'll never sub to another blizzard game again.

Might want to read http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/19994381/legion-pvp-preview-12-16-2015 then
Its the new blog about PvP in Legion.

So now you have to level up instead of gearing up before you are on even footing in PvP. Only that leveling up will probably take longer than gearing up takes now. Idk what is so much better about that.
Also question remains if leveling up will be gated like gearing up now or if you can just grind it.


You only have to level up once per expansion as opposed to the 3-4 times grinding gear once.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-17 16:48:46
December 17 2015 16:26 GMT
#684
On December 18 2015 00:52 {ToT}ColmA wrote:
u did not need mages to kill mannoroth thou, dk on the other hand, u needed - in a time when progression mattered


The faster the kills get, the more you benefit from immune cheese to be comfortable on the fight since you can't really sit back and wait for stacks to drop off like people used to be able to do with the worse DPS

when progression does or doesn't matter is pretty much entirely subjective thing
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
December 17 2015 18:14 GMT
#685
mh the pvp changes looks good lets see now what they do about the burst/skill in pvp and also dont forget healer/dps team in 2v2s, they need to make this way more interesting to.

2v2 and 3v3 should have high priority.
Shtorm
Profile Joined December 2015
Lithuania2 Posts
December 18 2015 09:16 GMT
#686
What do you guys think about the new info in the recent PvP blog? Specifically, how do you feel about how they said that "gear is just gear" and you can get the best gear either in raids OR PvP. Let's say there's a BIS trinket for my class and I can get it by downing the badest boss AS WELL AS winning a top-tier RBG? I would love that if that's balanced.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22125 Posts
December 18 2015 10:02 GMT
#687
On December 18 2015 18:16 Shtorm wrote:
What do you guys think about the new info in the recent PvP blog? Specifically, how do you feel about how they said that "gear is just gear" and you can get the best gear either in raids OR PvP. Let's say there's a BIS trinket for my class and I can get it by downing the badest boss AS WELL AS winning a top-tier RBG? I would love that if that's balanced.

For one winning top PvP will not be required as the gear there will come from lockboxes. Don't expect trinket for PvE to come from PvP either since they don't even work in PvP. Nor armor because no set bonus.

Some stuff from PvP might be useful in PvE but I would be more scared as a PvP'er to have to do PvE to get items now that ilvl is everything.
Imo its a change made to get more PvE players to spend time on PvP by removing gearing up.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-18 10:45:28
December 18 2015 10:43 GMT
#688
On December 18 2015 19:02 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 18:16 Shtorm wrote:
What do you guys think about the new info in the recent PvP blog? Specifically, how do you feel about how they said that "gear is just gear" and you can get the best gear either in raids OR PvP. Let's say there's a BIS trinket for my class and I can get it by downing the badest boss AS WELL AS winning a top-tier RBG? I would love that if that's balanced.

For one winning top PvP will not be required as the gear there will come from lockboxes. Don't expect trinket for PvE to come from PvP either since they don't even work in PvP. Nor armor because no set bonus.

Some stuff from PvP might be useful in PvE but I would be more scared as a PvP'er to have to do PvE to get items now that ilvl is everything.
Imo its a change made to get more PvE players to spend time on PvP by removing gearing up.

I dont see how this would make PvE players play more PvP, except the items you get are somehow useful in PvE.

I am a PvE player that plays some PvP casually. I do it for fun but also because I like gearing up. Imo gearing is part of the fun in WoW. Also I could use some PvP gear to fill gaps in my PvE gear, especially when PvP season 2 started.

Bottom line: winning gear makes PvE players play PvP.
Off-season = best season
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
December 18 2015 11:01 GMT
#689
I'm totally the opposite. I hate the idea of WoW pvp because I don't actively play it, which means I don't have the gear for it, which makes it a bitch to even try vs people who are geared.


On the other hand I loved the shit out of the skirmish pvp in GW2 because everybody starts at the exact same line gearwise.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-18 11:16:10
December 18 2015 11:08 GMT
#690
On December 18 2015 20:01 daemir wrote:
I'm totally the opposite. I hate the idea of WoW pvp because I don't actively play it, which means I don't have the gear for it, which makes it a bitch to even try vs people who are geared.


On the other hand I loved the shit out of the skirmish pvp in GW2 because everybody starts at the exact same line gearwise.

When the bg event was on it took me 2.5 hours to equip a fresh lvl 100 char completely with blue +1 epic pvp gear. I did this not for PvP but to gear the smurf for first PvE. Gearing in PvE is so much slower.

Also in Arena your gear is irrelevant if you dont aim for high rating (2k+). If you play at 1000, 1500 or 1800 makes no difference, you get conquest points at the same speed.
Off-season = best season
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
December 18 2015 11:21 GMT
#691
On December 18 2015 20:08 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 20:01 daemir wrote:
I'm totally the opposite. I hate the idea of WoW pvp because I don't actively play it, which means I don't have the gear for it, which makes it a bitch to even try vs people who are geared.


On the other hand I loved the shit out of the skirmish pvp in GW2 because everybody starts at the exact same line gearwise.

When the bg event was on it took me 2.5 hours to equip a fresh lvl 100 char completely with blue +1 epic pvp gear. I did this not for PvP but to gear the smurf for first PvE. Gearing in PvE is so much slower.

Also in Arena your gear is irrelevant if you dont aim for high rating (2k+). If you play at 1000, 1500 or 1800 makes no difference, you get conquest points at the same speed.

No man, there was this huge gear difference which made playing pvp really boring as fuck. Even in arena and everywhere even.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
December 18 2015 14:44 GMT
#692
On December 18 2015 20:08 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 20:01 daemir wrote:
I'm totally the opposite. I hate the idea of WoW pvp because I don't actively play it, which means I don't have the gear for it, which makes it a bitch to even try vs people who are geared.


On the other hand I loved the shit out of the skirmish pvp in GW2 because everybody starts at the exact same line gearwise.

When the bg event was on it took me 2.5 hours to equip a fresh lvl 100 char completely with blue +1 epic pvp gear. I did this not for PvP but to gear the smurf for first PvE. Gearing in PvE is so much slower.

Also in Arena your gear is irrelevant if you dont aim for high rating (2k+). If you play at 1000, 1500 or 1800 makes no difference, you get conquest points at the same speed.


Blue shit is half the ilvl of the epic shit, it's pretty much worthless, and Conquest Points are hard to come by outside arena. That was the gearing up problem I hit when I tried to PvP, so I just gave up.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-19 00:51:29
December 19 2015 00:23 GMT
#693
Gear gap in PVP is way bigger than it used to be - but then again gear gap EVERYWHERE is way bigger than it used to be. If you compare the bottom 25% vs top 25% in TBC vs WOD, you'll see a much bigger gap now.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
December 19 2015 10:49 GMT
#694
On December 18 2015 23:44 deth2munkies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 20:08 Redox wrote:
On December 18 2015 20:01 daemir wrote:
I'm totally the opposite. I hate the idea of WoW pvp because I don't actively play it, which means I don't have the gear for it, which makes it a bitch to even try vs people who are geared.


On the other hand I loved the shit out of the skirmish pvp in GW2 because everybody starts at the exact same line gearwise.

When the bg event was on it took me 2.5 hours to equip a fresh lvl 100 char completely with blue +1 epic pvp gear. I did this not for PvP but to gear the smurf for first PvE. Gearing in PvE is so much slower.

Also in Arena your gear is irrelevant if you dont aim for high rating (2k+). If you play at 1000, 1500 or 1800 makes no difference, you get conquest points at the same speed.


Blue shit is half the ilvl of the epic shit, it's pretty much worthless, and Conquest Points are hard to come by outside arena. That was the gearing up problem I hit when I tried to PvP, so I just gave up.

The blue shit is as good as as anyone has at the beginning of the season, except for the 2k+ guys.
Who cares if conquest points are hard to come by outside arena if you get them for free inside arena. Since the weekly cap is 1000 all you need is spend like 1 hour per week on arena (5 min per game, win 50% of games, 180 points per 10 min). You get them no matter your rating, no matter your effort, no matter your equip.

Compared to PvE it is a complete joke how free PvP items are and how little time it takes.
Off-season = best season
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-19 15:26:43
December 19 2015 15:01 GMT
#695
On December 19 2015 19:49 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 23:44 deth2munkies wrote:
On December 18 2015 20:08 Redox wrote:
On December 18 2015 20:01 daemir wrote:
I'm totally the opposite. I hate the idea of WoW pvp because I don't actively play it, which means I don't have the gear for it, which makes it a bitch to even try vs people who are geared.


On the other hand I loved the shit out of the skirmish pvp in GW2 because everybody starts at the exact same line gearwise.

When the bg event was on it took me 2.5 hours to equip a fresh lvl 100 char completely with blue +1 epic pvp gear. I did this not for PvP but to gear the smurf for first PvE. Gearing in PvE is so much slower.

Also in Arena your gear is irrelevant if you dont aim for high rating (2k+). If you play at 1000, 1500 or 1800 makes no difference, you get conquest points at the same speed.


Blue shit is half the ilvl of the epic shit, it's pretty much worthless, and Conquest Points are hard to come by outside arena. That was the gearing up problem I hit when I tried to PvP, so I just gave up.

The blue shit is as good as as anyone has at the beginning of the season, except for the 2k+ guys.
Who cares if conquest points are hard to come by outside arena if you get them for free inside arena. Since the weekly cap is 1000 all you need is spend like 1 hour per week on arena (5 min per game, win 50% of games, 180 points per 10 min). You get them no matter your rating, no matter your effort, no matter your equip.

Compared to PvE it is a complete joke how free PvP items are and how little time it takes.


But if you're new to PVP and have shit gear you have more like a 10-20% winrate, not 50.

I averaged way less than 12 games per hour when i tried it; about 6-10

i do still agree on the time, back when i did pvp a LOT it was when you needed to do alterac valley 25 times for the marks to buy one armor piece - for the entry level set
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
December 19 2015 16:39 GMT
#696
pugged iskar and cleared up to archimonde in a guild group

god bless being 700 ilevel, and MM is surprisingly still playable without 4 piece
ffxiv enjoyer
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-20 04:22:30
December 20 2015 03:39 GMT
#697
I went iskar HC pug with four 12/13m guys and a bunch of randoms to make it 20-30 man for slight chance of a cloak upgrade and it took almost two hours of wiping and 67 DPSers logged on Skada because of so many replacements who just did no damage or had no idea what to do even after a quick explanation before every pull - and that was just from the 710+'s on finder

pug lyfe
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Alventenie
Profile Joined July 2007
United States2147 Posts
December 20 2015 07:54 GMT
#698
I understand the struggle. We've had to pub our last 2-3 on mythic progression (early lower tier) and some people are just bad. 720+ dps pulling under 40k.

In our heroic runs we bring in new people to see how they do for chance at bringing them into the raid team and last week I was on my alt monk tank (711 ilevel), and out healed all the healers except our core disc priest (725 ilevel). Had a 713 priest and 703 druid that couldn't pull more than 30k a piece =/. Its crazy that some people just don't get better with gear.
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
December 20 2015 08:29 GMT
#699
That's not suprising at all if you had a disc heal there with other healers added. At this point a geared disc is going to hog all healing at heroic HFC. I have to solo heal up to gorefiend to even have anything to do, for 18-22 man raids.
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
December 20 2015 08:35 GMT
#700
Yeah there is only so much damage being done in a fight and a 725 Disc priest is way overgeared for heroic, and being a disc priest means he's just going to shield everyone and your other healers are gonna sit there with their thumbs up their asses
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