http://deadspin.com/pacman-jones-is-mad-you-guys-1752064197

Pacman is right - Porter shouldn't have been out there. Still, it looked like he was backing away/trying tog et out of it when Pacman came in. Still a monumentally dumb move.

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DannyJ

United States5110 Posts

January 10 2016 06:33 GMT

#4465

Amazing how NFL teams always revert to their true form in the end. Good ole Bungals.

Ghostcom

Denmark4783 Posts

January 10 2016 06:37 GMT

#4466

I've never wanted 2 teams to lose so badly. And Porter should probably also have drawn a flag - this was apparently just the tail end of his field-antics.

cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

January 10 2016 06:43 GMT

#4467

Letter of the law: Offsetting penalties. Sane result: No penalty. Result: Pacman Jones penalty.

Ghostcom

Denmark4783 Posts

January 10 2016 07:16 GMT

#4468

Oh don't get me wrong - I'm not complaining that Porter didn't get flagged. Bengals most certainly deserved to lose after that hit.

cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

January 10 2016 07:25 GMT

#4469

I significantly disagree with people's assessment of the defensive player's ability to avoid hitting Brown's helmet. The defensive player began his, for lack of a better word, football move, when the likely impact point wars Brown's ass/ribs. You need to stop watching this in slow motion and watch in normal speed and figure out whether you could execute any substantive action between the time that Brown definitely did not catch the ball (.25-.5 seconds after you see it on replay minimum), its not possible. Brown created the contact, and if he caught the ball, it would have more likely than not a legal hit because he still would have been stretched out trying to pull the ball in.

JumboJohnson

537 Posts

January 10 2016 07:52 GMT

#4470

Watching the replay he didn't even need to hit him at all. He must have seen the ball fly through his hands, then cocked and hit him. But who knows, maybe he didn't see the ball.

cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

January 10 2016 08:01 GMT

#4471

On January 10 2016 16:52 JumboJohnson wrote:
Watching the replay he didn't even need to hit him at all. He must have seen the ball fly through his hands, then cocked and hit him. But who knows, maybe he didn't see the ball.

That is irrelevant, because you are allowed to destroy a WR as the ball goes over his head. This is the only reason that like 95% of routes aren't 7-15 yard routes over the middle (just play flag football). The question is, when was Brown's head at the level of the shoulderpads of the defender. If it wasn't in the time you can change directions, without also significantly dangering yourself, it should be no penalty, or (better yet) a penalty on the WR.

Ghostcom

Denmark4783 Posts

January 10 2016 08:07 GMT

#4472

Burfict took fucking 2 steps between it being ABSOLUTELY clear that it was going to be a no-catch and his hit on Brown. It was a disgusting cheap-shot which he definitely could have avoided if he wasn't a thug.

darthfoley

United States8004 Posts

January 10 2016 08:07 GMT

#4473

On January 10 2016 14:24 On_Slaught wrote:
Let's no forget that 2pt conversion play call from the Bengals. Just atrocious.

2pt conversion is a no brainer; the call was so bad and I literally said "toss left" before the ball was snapped lol. One of many bad coaching decisions by the Bengals

RenSC2

United States1087 Posts

January 10 2016 08:14 GMT

#4474

On January 10 2016 16:25 cLutZ wrote:
I significantly disagree with people's assessment of the defensive player's ability to avoid hitting Brown's helmet. The defensive player began his, for lack of a better word, football move, when the likely impact point wars Brown's ass/ribs. You need to stop watching this in slow motion and watch in normal speed and figure out whether you could execute any substantive action between the time that Brown definitely did not catch the ball (.25-.5 seconds after you see it on replay minimum), its not possible. Brown created the contact, and if he caught the ball, it would have more likely than not a legal hit because he still would have been stretched out trying to pull the ball in.

Whether you agree or not is irrelevant. Brown was in a defenseless position. The onus is on the hitter to avoid the head. If he doesn't, then he gets a 15 yard penalty. The receiver could purposely duck his head in, it's still a penalty on the defense.

If you want to argue that it's a stupid rule, go right ahead, but the rule was applied appropriately.

zev318

Canada4306 Posts

January 10 2016 08:30 GMT

#4475

ya that hit looked bad, no way he needed to lean in like that

cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

January 10 2016 08:30 GMT

#4476

I agree that it was applied correctly, I am saying that is a stupid rule. With the other case, I said it was applied, likely correctly as well, but was obviously ignorant to Pittsburgh's equivalently bad violations (obvious by the lack of any official sources revealing 100% incriminating videos, as we know CBS, ESPN etc have reporters in the bag for the officials), and was a violation that a responsible crew would not call at that moment, because a missed shove of an assistant coach that should not be on the field and has historically been a rulebreaker does not even remotely affect the outcome.

The point is you don't call it and say to the NFL "my bad that the Steelers didn't get 15 free yards because a bunch of asshats were being asshats in the middle of the field and I was not 100% certain which one was more of an asshat."

Jibba

United States22883 Posts

January 10 2016 09:56 GMT

#4477

On January 10 2016 17:07 darthfoley wrote:

Show nested quote +

2pt conversion is a no brainer; the call was so bad and I literally said "toss left" before the ball was snapped lol. One of many bad coaching decisions by the Bengals

They enabled one of the worst possible scenarios with that play (fumble and return.)

You've got Eifert and AJ Green. Both of them can play jump ball against any defense in the NFL, let alone the Steelers.