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I think Blizzard should make the source of SC public, or sell it to Kespa or something...
Coz the way it is now, its basically an abandoned project, they dont earn money from CD sales anymore, they receive very little money from Ads.
im thinking maybe some deal can be agreed where money of ads can still go to blizzard(or blizzard gets paid as much as they usually earn, but Advertising space is owned by Kespa for example), but let the ppl who care about game fix the ladder and maybe make new servers for testing of potential new patches...
I have some things i wanna know and i'd like if some1 who has experience(knowledge) about these things to fill me up with info...
1. Would a thing like this be possible? (blizzard handing their project to the community, or some korean organization)
2. Am i right about Blizzard getting no cash from SC anymore?
3. what do u think of the idea in general?
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1. This has been done with other games before like Q3.
2. ppl still buy CDs from time to time, and there are ads on BNet, but I doubt that this covers the server costs. Speaking of which, who's gonna pay these?
3. Dunno really. Could lead to splitting the community if ppl released different patches concurrently, see emule for instance.
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Making a project like Starcraft open source is not a simple task. Selling it to Kespa doesn't make it open source it just gives Kespa the ownership. Making a project open source opens alot of avenues for a project both good and bad, Blizzard may not want the project to start splitting into different avenues and have people creating different mods and versions of one of the most popular games out there. I am also sure that Blizzard still gets paid by all the Korean leagues for use of the game over a public access channel, so they probably still are making money off it, hell they have Starcraft chips and pop.
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2. Am i right about Blizzard getting no cash from SC anymore?
No. They get alot of money from Koreea.
Do you really think they don't get money from televised matches? And don't sell copyright for koreean companys who make starcraft like food (i saw something like chio chips but with sc figures some time ago on some forum), starcraft like toys (i also saw on a thread some time ago, they had toys of starcraft figures) etc.
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The do get cash from SC, but it's negligible, even more compared to the CASH they get from WoW.
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On December 07 2006 05:47 indecision wrote:
1. This has been done with other games before like Q3.
2. ppl still buy CDs from time to time, and there are ads on BNet, but I doubt that this covers the server costs. Speaking of which, who's gonna pay these?
3. Dunno really. Could lead to splitting the community if ppl released different patches concurrently, see emule for instance.
John Carmack actually releases most of his engines to the public, usually when the next big is about to come out. Also when it is brand new he sub leases the entire engine to MANY other gaming companies to make games with, so in a way engines like that are public or at least can be bought and looked at.
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They do get cash. Releasing it as opensource is nice idea, but what about battle.net? Every client would be potentionaly incompatible and not easily patchable. The power of StarCraft is that there is "one" place where all the players meet durning their online gaming.
In fact, for the really good programming (Blizzard optimalization) SCBW is opensource, you can make whatever you want in a day...
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Abandoned project? What the fuck is up with these threads.
Blizzard is in the business of making commercial software for entertainment purposes. This isnt some sourceforge shit that a few dudes put together while only communicating via MSN. Tons of hardwork from many programmers, artists, management folks and whoever else handled launching the game to retail went into this. On top of that Blizzard has been keeping the game updated a bit and patched most major bugs through the years. It also happens to be a highly successful IP for Blizzard(Though you wouldnt know because they havent gone back to it in like 7 years).
There is also nothing for Blizzard to gain from releasing the source due to how tight of an experience they have made Starcraft(And all their other games) from a user perspective. You click like 2 things to get online to play multiplayer, the game comes with a map editor there is no need for a 3rd party editor out of the box, etc. Giving out the source would surely wreck havoc on the online experience and if they had done it years ago I personally doubt that SC would still be a viable game to play online.
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1. blizzard will never do that
2. few cash
3. making sc os isn't really gonna improve it.
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On December 07 2006 10:49 red.venom wrote:
Abandoned project? What the fuck is up with these threads.
Blizzard is in the business of making commercial software for entertainment purposes. This isnt some sourceforge shit that a few dudes put together while only communicating via MSN. Tons of hardwork from many programmers, artists, management folks and whoever else handled launching the game to retail went into this. On top of that Blizzard has been keeping the game updated a bit and patched most major bugs through the years. It also happens to be a highly successful IP for Blizzard(Though you wouldnt know because they havent gone back to it in like 7 years).
There is also nothing for Blizzard to gain from releasing the source due to how tight of an experience they have made Starcraft(And all their other games) from a user perspective. You click like 2 things to get online to play multiplayer, the game comes with a map editor there is no need for a 3rd party editor out of the box, etc. Giving out the source would surely wreck havoc on the online experience and if they had done it years ago I personally doubt that SC would still be a viable game to play online.
I don't like your representation of the average free software programmer much, I think it's impolite and inaccurate to say the least. I'd also like to say that a variety of nightmare scenarios usually surface in connection to any proposal to make anything an open source project, having very little to do with reality and history.
You don't have make something free software to make it open source. There are various conditions thinkable for open sourcing StarCraft which would be advantageous for both Blizzard and the StarCraft community.
The main reason it doesn't happen is not because the companies would suffer, but because they don't have a proper understanding of the matter. Starting an investigation as to if and how StarCraft should be made open source would be a major investment for Blizzard, and it's understandable that it's not willing to make it.
Perhaps when more about open sourcing software becomes known and generally accepted knowledge, then they can more easily follow precedents set by other companies.
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It's not gonna happen anytime soon and most likely not at all. Maybe in 50 yrs. That would give really good possibilities.
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A few weeks ago I went to a Best Buy for a wii, and to my suprise, I saw Starcraft broodwar stocked along with WoW, Diablo, Half-life 2 on the same shelf. I find it amazing they're still selling copies to this day.
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thedeadhaji
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blizzard values its product quality like none other and open source will degrade the quality (or at least they will assume so)
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Im buying a new copy before 2007, my cdkey got owned ._.
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IMO whoever thinks SC is not an abandoned project, is wrong. (its obviously not totally abandoned, but i dont think blizzard even has 1 person thats constantly dedicated to starcraft.)
coz, lets face it, if Ilintar or ashur had the access to the source code, they could patch the stuff from 1.13f to 1.14 in like a week, maybe even less... So, my guess is, after all that pressure from korea about hatch bug and all, some big shot at Blizzard told some random employee "go fix this mess" - and we got the 1.14.
Starcraft grew so much, its not even a standard game anymore, its a society thing, especially in korea... there must be a good way to let ppl who care about it actually care about it...
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On December 07 2006 15:07 nite2 wrote:
IMO whoever thinks SC is not an abandoned project, is wrong. (its obviously not totally abandoned, but i dont think blizzard even has 1 person thats constantly dedicated to starcraft.)
are you taking Sandlot and those other 2 tourneys that happened a year ago for granted?
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On December 07 2006 12:42 thedeadhaji wrote:
blizzard values its product quality like none other and open source will degrade the quality (or at least they will assume so)
A product doesn't randomly lose quality or value when the source is released.
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is awesome32278 Posts
But making it open source would make it easier to hack right?
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It's been proven time and time again that an open source creates the best security.
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Osaka27172 Posts
Abandoned? Were you not here two months ago for sandlot?
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