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I eventually went full SkyTerran.
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On October 26 2014 07:27 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2014 07:25 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:22 IntoTheheart wrote:
You know what was bullshit?
MAURADERS NOT HAVING STIM IN THE CAMPAIGN WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?! meh it was fine...i just went marine medic/mass tank is almost every level and wrecked hardcore most brutal champs conisder hardest mission to be Welcome to the Jungle, but if you use marine medic, its one of the easiest levels in the game, i find the Path of Destruction? level the hardest (wraith level)..all in and the tank mission are really tough as well... Is it the Odin level ? The only mission I found REALLY tough was the one with the Odin. Seems like you can trivialize it with good choice of units, but I never seemed to have the units needed to make this mission a piece of cake.
yes the one where you have to steal odin by killing 5 bases, fuck that level man....
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On October 26 2014 07:26 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2014 07:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 07:19 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:17 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 07:15 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:12 The_Templar wrote:On October 26 2014 07:11 Topin wrote:On October 26 2014 07:10 The_Templar wrote:On October 26 2014 07:09 y0su wrote:On October 26 2014 07:08 Cricketer12 wrote:
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correct is was
DRG v Genius
Mvp v Squirtle
Seed v MC
Life v Mvp
....sniper v hyun.... sorry, I was talking about the "open" seasons (2011?) Weren't the open seasons 2010? jinro, artosis, idra, torch Before my time Jinro was a fantastic TL Terran who made semis of GSL TWICE no one else has made it to semis even once, HuK and NaNiwa were close though... Idra was EG zerg from BW (terran at the time though) was really good..and then he became shit, and BM'd his way to retirement Artosis was the father of the artosis pylon, wrecked in WCG 2005, but tried his luck in SC2 only to reallize he was a better caster than player... Torch I dont remember.... Jinro's performances were fantastic but came at a time the game was being figured out. NaNiwa's runs are, if you ask me, the most amazing things ever done by a foreigner in KR. Two ro8 in a row with impressive confidence against extremely strong opponents. He could really have won a GSL at that time. Sadly with the way WCS works now there is very little hope a foreigner does well in WCS KR anymore (Scarlett if WCS KR awards a lot more points maybe ?). HuK could have gone farther...but he joined EG  Steph could have won easy..but he went to late + he joined EG Scarlett could because she hasnt joined EG yet Stephano could certainly have gone far, but "won easy" ? His different tries at a GSL run all showed he was quite prone to getting killed by someone who did his homework (vs Flying, vs Bogus). I'm not sure he would have done that well in those preparation-heavy tournaments compared to someone like NaNiwa who was a build order freak  steph went once and was put in the hardest ro32 group ever (i think only Creator DRG Mvp was harder) DongRaeGu, Hack, INnoVation, Stephano...can you blame him for going 2-4 vs inno? that means he as good as soO...not that bad
This was also long before WCS - foreigners never competed in events where you have weeks to prepare for your next opponents.
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On October 26 2014 07:27 IntoTheheart wrote:
I eventually went full SkyTerran.
i did that, but i had to get some mercenary tanks plus bunker behind double starport at entrance to defend against atks at base...
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On October 26 2014 07:28 y0su wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2014 07:26 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 07:19 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:17 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 07:15 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:12 The_Templar wrote:On October 26 2014 07:11 Topin wrote:On October 26 2014 07:10 The_Templar wrote:On October 26 2014 07:09 y0su wrote:
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sorry, I was talking about the "open" seasons (2011?) Weren't the open seasons 2010? jinro, artosis, idra, torch Before my time Jinro was a fantastic TL Terran who made semis of GSL TWICE no one else has made it to semis even once, HuK and NaNiwa were close though... Idra was EG zerg from BW (terran at the time though) was really good..and then he became shit, and BM'd his way to retirement Artosis was the father of the artosis pylon, wrecked in WCG 2005, but tried his luck in SC2 only to reallize he was a better caster than player... Torch I dont remember.... Jinro's performances were fantastic but came at a time the game was being figured out. NaNiwa's runs are, if you ask me, the most amazing things ever done by a foreigner in KR. Two ro8 in a row with impressive confidence against extremely strong opponents. He could really have won a GSL at that time. Sadly with the way WCS works now there is very little hope a foreigner does well in WCS KR anymore (Scarlett if WCS KR awards a lot more points maybe ?). HuK could have gone farther...but he joined EG Steph could have won easy..but he went to late + he joined EG Scarlett could because she hasnt joined EG yet Stephano could certainly have gone far, but "won easy" ? His different tries at a GSL run all showed he was quite prone to getting killed by someone who did his homework (vs Flying, vs Bogus). I'm not sure he would have done that well in those preparation-heavy tournaments compared to someone like NaNiwa who was a build order freak steph went once and was put in the hardest ro32 group ever (i think only Creator DRG Mvp was harder) DongRaeGu, Hack, INnoVation, Stephano...can you blame him for going 2-4 vs inno? that means he as good as soO...not that bad This was also long before WCS - foreigners never competed in events where you have weeks to prepare for your next opponents.
I mean... they competed. Just not strongly. I remember HuK winning an MLG and Stephano winning quite a few tournaments in his day. Naniwa's never been a weak contender as a weekend warrior, but in the end, not only were these relatively uncommon, they were also short bursty tournaments, not preparation-based in the same way.
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On October 26 2014 07:28 y0su wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2014 07:26 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 07:19 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:17 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 07:15 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:12 The_Templar wrote:On October 26 2014 07:11 Topin wrote:On October 26 2014 07:10 The_Templar wrote:On October 26 2014 07:09 y0su wrote:
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sorry, I was talking about the "open" seasons (2011?) Weren't the open seasons 2010? jinro, artosis, idra, torch Before my time Jinro was a fantastic TL Terran who made semis of GSL TWICE no one else has made it to semis even once, HuK and NaNiwa were close though... Idra was EG zerg from BW (terran at the time though) was really good..and then he became shit, and BM'd his way to retirement Artosis was the father of the artosis pylon, wrecked in WCG 2005, but tried his luck in SC2 only to reallize he was a better caster than player... Torch I dont remember.... Jinro's performances were fantastic but came at a time the game was being figured out. NaNiwa's runs are, if you ask me, the most amazing things ever done by a foreigner in KR. Two ro8 in a row with impressive confidence against extremely strong opponents. He could really have won a GSL at that time. Sadly with the way WCS works now there is very little hope a foreigner does well in WCS KR anymore (Scarlett if WCS KR awards a lot more points maybe ?). HuK could have gone farther...but he joined EG Steph could have won easy..but he went to late + he joined EG Scarlett could because she hasnt joined EG yet Stephano could certainly have gone far, but "won easy" ? His different tries at a GSL run all showed he was quite prone to getting killed by someone who did his homework (vs Flying, vs Bogus). I'm not sure he would have done that well in those preparation-heavy tournaments compared to someone like NaNiwa who was a build order freak steph went once and was put in the hardest ro32 group ever (i think only Creator DRG Mvp was harder) DongRaeGu, Hack, INnoVation, Stephano...can you blame him for going 2-4 vs inno? that means he as good as soO...not that bad This was also long before WCS - foreigners never competed in events where you have weeks to prepare for your next opponents.
exactly...so lets say steph still was a regular player today..and he was in all 6 seasons of WCS EU (prob with 1 or 2 champs under his belt as well)..he would have a good chance of winning GSL imho...
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Campagin was easy. Hots especially
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On October 26 2014 07:30 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2014 07:28 y0su wrote:On October 26 2014 07:26 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 07:19 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:17 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 07:15 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:12 The_Templar wrote:On October 26 2014 07:11 Topin wrote:On October 26 2014 07:10 The_Templar wrote:
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Weren't the open seasons 2010? jinro, artosis, idra, torch Before my time Jinro was a fantastic TL Terran who made semis of GSL TWICE no one else has made it to semis even once, HuK and NaNiwa were close though... Idra was EG zerg from BW (terran at the time though) was really good..and then he became shit, and BM'd his way to retirement Artosis was the father of the artosis pylon, wrecked in WCG 2005, but tried his luck in SC2 only to reallize he was a better caster than player... Torch I dont remember.... Jinro's performances were fantastic but came at a time the game was being figured out. NaNiwa's runs are, if you ask me, the most amazing things ever done by a foreigner in KR. Two ro8 in a row with impressive confidence against extremely strong opponents. He could really have won a GSL at that time. Sadly with the way WCS works now there is very little hope a foreigner does well in WCS KR anymore (Scarlett if WCS KR awards a lot more points maybe ?). HuK could have gone farther...but he joined EG Steph could have won easy..but he went to late + he joined EG Scarlett could because she hasnt joined EG yet Stephano could certainly have gone far, but "won easy" ? His different tries at a GSL run all showed he was quite prone to getting killed by someone who did his homework (vs Flying, vs Bogus). I'm not sure he would have done that well in those preparation-heavy tournaments compared to someone like NaNiwa who was a build order freak steph went once and was put in the hardest ro32 group ever (i think only Creator DRG Mvp was harder) DongRaeGu, Hack, INnoVation, Stephano...can you blame him for going 2-4 vs inno? that means he as good as soO...not that bad This was also long before WCS - foreigners never competed in events where you have weeks to prepare for your next opponents. I mean... they competed. Just not strongly. I remember HuK winning an MLG and Stephano winning quite a few tournaments in his day. Naniwa's never been a weak contender as a weekend warrior, but in the end, not only were these relatively uncommon, they were also short bursty tournaments, not preparation-based in the same way.
yup, in 2011 HuK AND STeph both managed to win 2 tournaments one week after the other (huk was DH+HSC steph i think was IPL + ESWC?)
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On October 26 2014 07:31 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2014 07:30 IntoTheheart wrote:On October 26 2014 07:28 y0su wrote:On October 26 2014 07:26 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 07:19 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:17 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 07:15 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:12 The_Templar wrote:On October 26 2014 07:11 Topin wrote:
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jinro, artosis, idra, torch Before my time Jinro was a fantastic TL Terran who made semis of GSL TWICE no one else has made it to semis even once, HuK and NaNiwa were close though... Idra was EG zerg from BW (terran at the time though) was really good..and then he became shit, and BM'd his way to retirement Artosis was the father of the artosis pylon, wrecked in WCG 2005, but tried his luck in SC2 only to reallize he was a better caster than player... Torch I dont remember.... Jinro's performances were fantastic but came at a time the game was being figured out. NaNiwa's runs are, if you ask me, the most amazing things ever done by a foreigner in KR. Two ro8 in a row with impressive confidence against extremely strong opponents. He could really have won a GSL at that time. Sadly with the way WCS works now there is very little hope a foreigner does well in WCS KR anymore (Scarlett if WCS KR awards a lot more points maybe ?). HuK could have gone farther...but he joined EG Steph could have won easy..but he went to late + he joined EG Scarlett could because she hasnt joined EG yet Stephano could certainly have gone far, but "won easy" ? His different tries at a GSL run all showed he was quite prone to getting killed by someone who did his homework (vs Flying, vs Bogus). I'm not sure he would have done that well in those preparation-heavy tournaments compared to someone like NaNiwa who was a build order freak steph went once and was put in the hardest ro32 group ever (i think only Creator DRG Mvp was harder) DongRaeGu, Hack, INnoVation, Stephano...can you blame him for going 2-4 vs inno? that means he as good as soO...not that bad This was also long before WCS - foreigners never competed in events where you have weeks to prepare for your next opponents. I mean... they competed. Just not strongly. I remember HuK winning an MLG and Stephano winning quite a few tournaments in his day. Naniwa's never been a weak contender as a weekend warrior, but in the end, not only were these relatively uncommon, they were also short bursty tournaments, not preparation-based in the same way. yup, in 2011 HuK AND STeph both managed to win 2 tournaments one week after the other (huk was DH+HSC steph i think was IPL + ESWC?)
Foreigners used to be better. I don't know what happened to them... >.>
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On October 26 2014 07:33 Sakat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2014 07:31 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:30 IntoTheheart wrote:On October 26 2014 07:28 y0su wrote:On October 26 2014 07:26 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 07:19 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:17 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 07:15 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:12 The_Templar wrote:
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Before my time Jinro was a fantastic TL Terran who made semis of GSL TWICE no one else has made it to semis even once, HuK and NaNiwa were close though... Idra was EG zerg from BW (terran at the time though) was really good..and then he became shit, and BM'd his way to retirement Artosis was the father of the artosis pylon, wrecked in WCG 2005, but tried his luck in SC2 only to reallize he was a better caster than player... Torch I dont remember.... Jinro's performances were fantastic but came at a time the game was being figured out. NaNiwa's runs are, if you ask me, the most amazing things ever done by a foreigner in KR. Two ro8 in a row with impressive confidence against extremely strong opponents. He could really have won a GSL at that time. Sadly with the way WCS works now there is very little hope a foreigner does well in WCS KR anymore (Scarlett if WCS KR awards a lot more points maybe ?). HuK could have gone farther...but he joined EG Steph could have won easy..but he went to late + he joined EG Scarlett could because she hasnt joined EG yet Stephano could certainly have gone far, but "won easy" ? His different tries at a GSL run all showed he was quite prone to getting killed by someone who did his homework (vs Flying, vs Bogus). I'm not sure he would have done that well in those preparation-heavy tournaments compared to someone like NaNiwa who was a build order freak steph went once and was put in the hardest ro32 group ever (i think only Creator DRG Mvp was harder) DongRaeGu, Hack, INnoVation, Stephano...can you blame him for going 2-4 vs inno? that means he as good as soO...not that bad This was also long before WCS - foreigners never competed in events where you have weeks to prepare for your next opponents. I mean... they competed. Just not strongly. I remember HuK winning an MLG and Stephano winning quite a few tournaments in his day. Naniwa's never been a weak contender as a weekend warrior, but in the end, not only were these relatively uncommon, they were also short bursty tournaments, not preparation-based in the same way. yup, in 2011 HuK AND STeph both managed to win 2 tournaments one week after the other (huk was DH+HSC steph i think was IPL + ESWC?) Foreigners used to be better. I don't know what happened to them... >.>
Kespa killed pashun + people figured out how to play the game...
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On October 26 2014 07:30 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2014 07:28 y0su wrote:On October 26 2014 07:26 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 07:19 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:17 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 07:15 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:12 The_Templar wrote:On October 26 2014 07:11 Topin wrote:On October 26 2014 07:10 The_Templar wrote:
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Weren't the open seasons 2010? jinro, artosis, idra, torch Before my time Jinro was a fantastic TL Terran who made semis of GSL TWICE no one else has made it to semis even once, HuK and NaNiwa were close though... Idra was EG zerg from BW (terran at the time though) was really good..and then he became shit, and BM'd his way to retirement Artosis was the father of the artosis pylon, wrecked in WCG 2005, but tried his luck in SC2 only to reallize he was a better caster than player... Torch I dont remember.... Jinro's performances were fantastic but came at a time the game was being figured out. NaNiwa's runs are, if you ask me, the most amazing things ever done by a foreigner in KR. Two ro8 in a row with impressive confidence against extremely strong opponents. He could really have won a GSL at that time. Sadly with the way WCS works now there is very little hope a foreigner does well in WCS KR anymore (Scarlett if WCS KR awards a lot more points maybe ?). HuK could have gone farther...but he joined EG Steph could have won easy..but he went to late + he joined EG Scarlett could because she hasnt joined EG yet Stephano could certainly have gone far, but "won easy" ? His different tries at a GSL run all showed he was quite prone to getting killed by someone who did his homework (vs Flying, vs Bogus). I'm not sure he would have done that well in those preparation-heavy tournaments compared to someone like NaNiwa who was a build order freak steph went once and was put in the hardest ro32 group ever (i think only Creator DRG Mvp was harder) DongRaeGu, Hack, INnoVation, Stephano...can you blame him for going 2-4 vs inno? that means he as good as soO...not that bad This was also long before WCS - foreigners never competed in events where you have weeks to prepare for your next opponents. exactly...so lets say steph still was a regular player today..and he was in all 6 seasons of WCS EU (prob with 1 or 2 champs under his belt as well)..he would have a good chance of winning GSL imho...
There is no denying he had astounding potential. I'm not sure he was hard-working enough to convert it into a GSL victory though. Ah, I guess we'll never know.
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On October 26 2014 07:30 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2014 07:28 y0su wrote:On October 26 2014 07:26 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 07:19 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:17 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 07:15 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:12 The_Templar wrote:On October 26 2014 07:11 Topin wrote:On October 26 2014 07:10 The_Templar wrote:
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Weren't the open seasons 2010? jinro, artosis, idra, torch Before my time Jinro was a fantastic TL Terran who made semis of GSL TWICE no one else has made it to semis even once, HuK and NaNiwa were close though... Idra was EG zerg from BW (terran at the time though) was really good..and then he became shit, and BM'd his way to retirement Artosis was the father of the artosis pylon, wrecked in WCG 2005, but tried his luck in SC2 only to reallize he was a better caster than player... Torch I dont remember.... Jinro's performances were fantastic but came at a time the game was being figured out. NaNiwa's runs are, if you ask me, the most amazing things ever done by a foreigner in KR. Two ro8 in a row with impressive confidence against extremely strong opponents. He could really have won a GSL at that time. Sadly with the way WCS works now there is very little hope a foreigner does well in WCS KR anymore (Scarlett if WCS KR awards a lot more points maybe ?). HuK could have gone farther...but he joined EG Steph could have won easy..but he went to late + he joined EG Scarlett could because she hasnt joined EG yet Stephano could certainly have gone far, but "won easy" ? His different tries at a GSL run all showed he was quite prone to getting killed by someone who did his homework (vs Flying, vs Bogus). I'm not sure he would have done that well in those preparation-heavy tournaments compared to someone like NaNiwa who was a build order freak steph went once and was put in the hardest ro32 group ever (i think only Creator DRG Mvp was harder) DongRaeGu, Hack, INnoVation, Stephano...can you blame him for going 2-4 vs inno? that means he as good as soO...not that bad This was also long before WCS - foreigners never competed in events where you have weeks to prepare for your next opponents. exactly...so lets say steph still was a regular player today..and he was in all 6 seasons of WCS EU (prob with 1 or 2 champs under his belt as well)..he would have a good chance of winning GSL imho...
I don't know if I'd say "good chance"... His style played well to the tournament meta of playing the MU instead of playing your opponent. It's impossible to say how he would have done if he was regularly playing against people that always had time to prepare for him (and vice versa).
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On October 26 2014 07:35 y0su wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2014 07:30 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:28 y0su wrote:On October 26 2014 07:26 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 07:19 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:17 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 07:15 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:12 The_Templar wrote:On October 26 2014 07:11 Topin wrote:
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jinro, artosis, idra, torch Before my time Jinro was a fantastic TL Terran who made semis of GSL TWICE no one else has made it to semis even once, HuK and NaNiwa were close though... Idra was EG zerg from BW (terran at the time though) was really good..and then he became shit, and BM'd his way to retirement Artosis was the father of the artosis pylon, wrecked in WCG 2005, but tried his luck in SC2 only to reallize he was a better caster than player... Torch I dont remember.... Jinro's performances were fantastic but came at a time the game was being figured out. NaNiwa's runs are, if you ask me, the most amazing things ever done by a foreigner in KR. Two ro8 in a row with impressive confidence against extremely strong opponents. He could really have won a GSL at that time. Sadly with the way WCS works now there is very little hope a foreigner does well in WCS KR anymore (Scarlett if WCS KR awards a lot more points maybe ?). HuK could have gone farther...but he joined EG Steph could have won easy..but he went to late + he joined EG Scarlett could because she hasnt joined EG yet Stephano could certainly have gone far, but "won easy" ? His different tries at a GSL run all showed he was quite prone to getting killed by someone who did his homework (vs Flying, vs Bogus). I'm not sure he would have done that well in those preparation-heavy tournaments compared to someone like NaNiwa who was a build order freak steph went once and was put in the hardest ro32 group ever (i think only Creator DRG Mvp was harder) DongRaeGu, Hack, INnoVation, Stephano...can you blame him for going 2-4 vs inno? that means he as good as soO...not that bad This was also long before WCS - foreigners never competed in events where you have weeks to prepare for your next opponents. exactly...so lets say steph still was a regular player today..and he was in all 6 seasons of WCS EU (prob with 1 or 2 champs under his belt as well)..he would have a good chance of winning GSL imho... I don't know if I'd say "good chance"... His style played well to the tournament meta of playing the MU instead of playing your opponent. It's impossible to say how he would have done if he was regularly playing against people that always had time to prepare for him (and vice versa).
This. His playstyle was extremely straight. Very few players have won GSL titles with such playstyle.
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On October 26 2014 07:27 IntoTheheart wrote:
I eventually went full SkyTerran.
Best way to go too IMO
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On October 26 2014 07:37 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2014 07:35 y0su wrote:On October 26 2014 07:30 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:28 y0su wrote:On October 26 2014 07:26 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 07:19 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:17 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 07:15 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:12 The_Templar wrote:
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Before my time Jinro was a fantastic TL Terran who made semis of GSL TWICE no one else has made it to semis even once, HuK and NaNiwa were close though... Idra was EG zerg from BW (terran at the time though) was really good..and then he became shit, and BM'd his way to retirement Artosis was the father of the artosis pylon, wrecked in WCG 2005, but tried his luck in SC2 only to reallize he was a better caster than player... Torch I dont remember.... Jinro's performances were fantastic but came at a time the game was being figured out. NaNiwa's runs are, if you ask me, the most amazing things ever done by a foreigner in KR. Two ro8 in a row with impressive confidence against extremely strong opponents. He could really have won a GSL at that time. Sadly with the way WCS works now there is very little hope a foreigner does well in WCS KR anymore (Scarlett if WCS KR awards a lot more points maybe ?). HuK could have gone farther...but he joined EG Steph could have won easy..but he went to late + he joined EG Scarlett could because she hasnt joined EG yet Stephano could certainly have gone far, but "won easy" ? His different tries at a GSL run all showed he was quite prone to getting killed by someone who did his homework (vs Flying, vs Bogus). I'm not sure he would have done that well in those preparation-heavy tournaments compared to someone like NaNiwa who was a build order freak steph went once and was put in the hardest ro32 group ever (i think only Creator DRG Mvp was harder) DongRaeGu, Hack, INnoVation, Stephano...can you blame him for going 2-4 vs inno? that means he as good as soO...not that bad This was also long before WCS - foreigners never competed in events where you have weeks to prepare for your next opponents. exactly...so lets say steph still was a regular player today..and he was in all 6 seasons of WCS EU (prob with 1 or 2 champs under his belt as well)..he would have a good chance of winning GSL imho... I don't know if I'd say "good chance"... His style played well to the tournament meta of playing the MU instead of playing your opponent. It's impossible to say how he would have done if he was regularly playing against people that always had time to prepare for him (and vice versa). This. His playstyle was extremely straight. Very few players have won GSL titles with such playstyle.
I believe INnoVation and GumBa have some words for you
no but seriously you do have a good point, this is why Mvp beat Rain in 2012, despite RAin in my eyes being the BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD BY FAAARRR at that time (he was def my pick to win...i wasnt sure if life or mkp would be in finals but i knew one of them would win 3-1 only to lose to rain in finals and guess what...that what happened ...unfortunately artosis thought the same......
i dunno, but Stephano would be so great to see nowadays, especially with Nani gone...few great foreigners...its pretty much the TL duo the Canadian duo and random eu inconsistants +kane and major....no where near as good a force as we had 2-3 years ago when huk steph jinro nani idra just won everything....(granted mma mvp drg were just too good too stop...) but still we are not as good nowadays...whats funny is taht last year is recognized as a good year because of nani + scarlett. yet korea allkill happened. this year allkill prevented yet its the worst year by far for foreigners....
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On October 26 2014 07:38 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2014 07:27 IntoTheheart wrote:
I eventually went full SkyTerran. Best way to go too IMO
in that level? for sure
overall in the campaign? not a chance
bio is waaayyy too good, except on that level, the BC level, and the penultimate level if you chose to kill flyers (mass banshee +viking off 1-2 bases and 1a your way to victory...)
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On October 26 2014 07:42 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2014 07:37 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 07:35 y0su wrote:On October 26 2014 07:30 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:28 y0su wrote:On October 26 2014 07:26 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 07:19 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:17 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 07:15 Cricketer12 wrote:
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Jinro was a fantastic TL Terran who made semis of GSL TWICE no one else has made it to semis even once, HuK and NaNiwa were close though...
Idra was EG zerg from BW (terran at the time though) was really good..and then he became shit, and BM'd his way to retirement
Artosis was the father of the artosis pylon, wrecked in WCG 2005, but tried his luck in SC2 only to reallize he was a better caster than player...
Torch I dont remember....
Jinro's performances were fantastic but came at a time the game was being figured out. NaNiwa's runs are, if you ask me, the most amazing things ever done by a foreigner in KR. Two ro8 in a row with impressive confidence against extremely strong opponents. He could really have won a GSL at that time. Sadly with the way WCS works now there is very little hope a foreigner does well in WCS KR anymore (Scarlett if WCS KR awards a lot more points maybe ?). HuK could have gone farther...but he joined EG Steph could have won easy..but he went to late + he joined EG Scarlett could because she hasnt joined EG yet Stephano could certainly have gone far, but "won easy" ? His different tries at a GSL run all showed he was quite prone to getting killed by someone who did his homework (vs Flying, vs Bogus). I'm not sure he would have done that well in those preparation-heavy tournaments compared to someone like NaNiwa who was a build order freak steph went once and was put in the hardest ro32 group ever (i think only Creator DRG Mvp was harder) DongRaeGu, Hack, INnoVation, Stephano...can you blame him for going 2-4 vs inno? that means he as good as soO...not that bad This was also long before WCS - foreigners never competed in events where you have weeks to prepare for your next opponents. exactly...so lets say steph still was a regular player today..and he was in all 6 seasons of WCS EU (prob with 1 or 2 champs under his belt as well)..he would have a good chance of winning GSL imho... I don't know if I'd say "good chance"... His style played well to the tournament meta of playing the MU instead of playing your opponent. It's impossible to say how he would have done if he was regularly playing against people that always had time to prepare for him (and vice versa). This. His playstyle was extremely straight. Very few players have won GSL titles with such playstyle. I believe INnoVation and GumBa have some words for you no but seriously you do have a good point, this is why Mvp beat Rain in 2012, despite RAin in my eyes being the BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD BY FAAARRR...unfortunately artosis thought the same...... i dunno, but Stephano would be so great to see nowadays, especially with Nani gone...few great foreigners...its pretty much the TL duo the Canadian duo and random eu inconsistants +kane and major....no where near as good a force as we had 2-3 years ago when huk steph jinro nani idra just won everything....(granted mma mvp drg were just too good too stop...) but still we are not as good nowadays...whats funny is taht last year is recognized as a good year because of nani + scarlett. yet korea allkill happened. this year allkill prevented yet its the worst year by far for foreigners....
I know INno is nicknamed the Machine, but actually when did he win the GSL ? When he adapted to the agressive builds of soO by going more defensive in game 3 and then getting inside his head with repeated 2 rax. When he played like a machine (first GSL finals) he actually lost to 3 roach bane all-ins + the Machine having a bug after working on for so long ^^. I honestly think someone who doesn't adapt constantly and doesn't have such an array of builds you can't ever predict him will always stand a very low chance of winning a Korean title.
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On October 26 2014 07:42 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2014 07:37 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 07:35 y0su wrote:On October 26 2014 07:30 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:28 y0su wrote:On October 26 2014 07:26 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 07:19 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:17 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 07:15 Cricketer12 wrote:
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Jinro was a fantastic TL Terran who made semis of GSL TWICE no one else has made it to semis even once, HuK and NaNiwa were close though...
Idra was EG zerg from BW (terran at the time though) was really good..and then he became shit, and BM'd his way to retirement
Artosis was the father of the artosis pylon, wrecked in WCG 2005, but tried his luck in SC2 only to reallize he was a better caster than player...
Torch I dont remember....
Jinro's performances were fantastic but came at a time the game was being figured out. NaNiwa's runs are, if you ask me, the most amazing things ever done by a foreigner in KR. Two ro8 in a row with impressive confidence against extremely strong opponents. He could really have won a GSL at that time. Sadly with the way WCS works now there is very little hope a foreigner does well in WCS KR anymore (Scarlett if WCS KR awards a lot more points maybe ?). HuK could have gone farther...but he joined EG Steph could have won easy..but he went to late + he joined EG Scarlett could because she hasnt joined EG yet Stephano could certainly have gone far, but "won easy" ? His different tries at a GSL run all showed he was quite prone to getting killed by someone who did his homework (vs Flying, vs Bogus). I'm not sure he would have done that well in those preparation-heavy tournaments compared to someone like NaNiwa who was a build order freak steph went once and was put in the hardest ro32 group ever (i think only Creator DRG Mvp was harder) DongRaeGu, Hack, INnoVation, Stephano...can you blame him for going 2-4 vs inno? that means he as good as soO...not that bad This was also long before WCS - foreigners never competed in events where you have weeks to prepare for your next opponents. exactly...so lets say steph still was a regular player today..and he was in all 6 seasons of WCS EU (prob with 1 or 2 champs under his belt as well)..he would have a good chance of winning GSL imho... I don't know if I'd say "good chance"... His style played well to the tournament meta of playing the MU instead of playing your opponent. It's impossible to say how he would have done if he was regularly playing against people that always had time to prepare for him (and vice versa). This. His playstyle was extremely straight. Very few players have won GSL titles with such playstyle. I believe INnoVation and GumBa have some words for you no but seriously you do have a good point, this is why Mvp beat Rain in 2012, despite RAin in my eyes being the BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD BY FAAARRR...unfortunately artosis thought the same...... i dunno, but Stephano would be so great to see nowadays, especially with Nani gone...few great foreigners...its pretty much the TL duo the Canadian duo and random eu inconsistants +kane and major....no where near as good a force as we had 2-3 years ago when huk steph jinro nani idra just won everything....(granted mma mvp drg were just too good too stop...) but still we are not as good nowadays...whats funny is taht last year is recognized as a good year because of nani + scarlett. yet korea allkill happened. this year allkill prevented yet its the worst year by far for foreigners....
I think foreigners have improved tremendously! You have to also remember that a) more Koreans are traveling (especially all the ones that are ON FOREIGN TEAMS)
b) KeSPA switched to sc2.
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On October 26 2014 07:44 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2014 07:38 The_Templar wrote:On October 26 2014 07:27 IntoTheheart wrote:
I eventually went full SkyTerran. Best way to go too IMO in that level? for sure overall in the campaign? not a chance bio is waaayyy too good, except on that level, the BC level, and the penultimate level if you chose to kill flyers (mass banshee +viking off 1-2 bases and 1a your way to victory...)
I played through the campaign once and did the agria/haven missions ASAP and went only hellion/Viking for the rest of the missions
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On October 26 2014 07:47 y0su wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2014 07:42 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:37 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 07:35 y0su wrote:On October 26 2014 07:30 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:28 y0su wrote:On October 26 2014 07:26 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:On October 26 2014 07:19 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 26 2014 07:17 [PkF] Wire wrote:
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Jinro's performances were fantastic but came at a time the game was being figured out. NaNiwa's runs are, if you ask me, the most amazing things ever done by a foreigner in KR. Two ro8 in a row with impressive confidence against extremely strong opponents. He could really have won a GSL at that time. Sadly with the way WCS works now there is very little hope a foreigner does well in WCS KR anymore (Scarlett if WCS KR awards a lot more points maybe ?).
HuK could have gone farther...but he joined EG Steph could have won easy..but he went to late + he joined EG Scarlett could because she hasnt joined EG yet Stephano could certainly have gone far, but "won easy" ? His different tries at a GSL run all showed he was quite prone to getting killed by someone who did his homework (vs Flying, vs Bogus). I'm not sure he would have done that well in those preparation-heavy tournaments compared to someone like NaNiwa who was a build order freak steph went once and was put in the hardest ro32 group ever (i think only Creator DRG Mvp was harder) DongRaeGu, Hack, INnoVation, Stephano...can you blame him for going 2-4 vs inno? that means he as good as soO...not that bad This was also long before WCS - foreigners never competed in events where you have weeks to prepare for your next opponents. exactly...so lets say steph still was a regular player today..and he was in all 6 seasons of WCS EU (prob with 1 or 2 champs under his belt as well)..he would have a good chance of winning GSL imho... I don't know if I'd say "good chance"... His style played well to the tournament meta of playing the MU instead of playing your opponent. It's impossible to say how he would have done if he was regularly playing against people that always had time to prepare for him (and vice versa). This. His playstyle was extremely straight. Very few players have won GSL titles with such playstyle. I believe INnoVation and GumBa have some words for you no but seriously you do have a good point, this is why Mvp beat Rain in 2012, despite RAin in my eyes being the BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD BY FAAARRR...unfortunately artosis thought the same...... i dunno, but Stephano would be so great to see nowadays, especially with Nani gone...few great foreigners...its pretty much the TL duo the Canadian duo and random eu inconsistants +kane and major....no where near as good a force as we had 2-3 years ago when huk steph jinro nani idra just won everything....(granted mma mvp drg were just too good too stop...) but still we are not as good nowadays...whats funny is taht last year is recognized as a good year because of nani + scarlett. yet korea allkill happened. this year allkill prevented yet its the worst year by far for foreigners.... I think foreigners have improved tremendously! You have to also remember that a) more Koreans are traveling (especially all the ones that are ON FOREIGN TEAMS) b) KeSPA switched to sc2.
Without a doubt foreigners have improved...but they are not at the point at least I think, that they were in 2011 when they could win tournaments...as a whole they have shown some improvement for sure though...but all that will go to waste next year thanks to fucking region lock...
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