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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
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sgtnoobkilla
Australia249 Posts
Red Cross staff detained in east Ukraine: rebel official Several members of the Red Cross have been arrested in the rebel-held eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk on suspicion of espionage, a spokesman for the insurgents told AFP on Saturday. "They were arrested yesterday. We suspect they were engaged in espionage and we are currently checking these accusations," said Kiril Rudenko, deputy spokesman for the self-proclaimed "People's Republic of Donetsk". The spokesman was not able to confirm whether a foreigner was among those held. ..... Source Militants hold Red Cross workers for seven hours in east Ukraine (Reuters) - Pro-Russian militants held several Red Cross workers hostage for seven hours in the rebel eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk, severely beating one before freeing them in Saturday's early hours, a local Red Cross official said. A spokesman for the self-styled "Donetsk People's Republic", which is holding a referendum on Sunday on breaking with Kiev, said the workers had been detained on Friday evening by rebel activists on suspicion of espionage. He could not clarify the nature of the accusations leveled against them or say where they had been held. The Red Cross official gave no further details, though the internet newspaper Novosti Donbassa said a Frenchman had been among seven held by activists who entered the Red Cross building in Donetsk. There was no confirmation of this. "They were released at two o'clock. One had been heavily beaten," Red Cross official Irina Tsaryuk told Reuters. He was now in hospital. Red Cross headquarters in Geneva said simply that there had been "some kind of incident last night". Novosti Donbassa said the hostage takers had also seized large stores of medicine from the Donetsk office. The Red Cross website said medication had been delivered on May 7 to Donetsk head office for distribution in the region, where there has been heavy fighting in recent days between pro-Russian militants and Ukrainian security forces. Source | ||
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kukarachaa
United States284 Posts
On May 10 2014 17:10 sgtnoobkilla wrote: While we're at it, let's arrest every foreigner in sight because they're all involved with the killings! sigh. https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPR/statuses/465023951480299520 I suggest avoiding Ukrainian media, its like Russian one on crack when it comes to propaganda. http://www.therakyatpost.com/world/2014/05/10/tensions-soar-east-ukraine-ahead-referendum/ Red cross official statement, some members were detained for a couple hours, everyone is unharmed. | ||
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Mc
332 Posts
No need to ignore Ukrainian media, but just make sure to wear your sceptical spectacles  EuromaidanPR posts a lot of unconfirmed/exaggerated crap. Not a big fan. Kyivpost seems more reliable, but is of course pro-Ukrainian biased. @Cheerio, which Ukrainian media is more reliable/factual? | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On May 10 2014 18:58 kukarachaa wrote: I suggest avoiding Ukrainian media, its like Russian one on crack when it comes to propaganda. http://www.therakyatpost.com/world/2014/05/10/tensions-soar-east-ukraine-ahead-referendum/ Red cross official statement, some members were detained for a couple hours, everyone is unharmed. Why the hell would the Red Cross make an official statement in `The Rakyat post'  The post about red cross workers is correct, note that Irina Tsaryuk of the Red Cross made the statement:"They were released at two o'clock. One had beeen heavily beaten," Red Cross official Irina Tsaryuk told Reuters. He was now in hospital. Red Cross headquarters in Geneva said simply that there had been "some kind of incident last night". Source. P.S. mc, please take a closer look at the post, EuromaidanPR was the pic, the text is a Reuters article. | ||
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kukarachaa
United States284 Posts
On May 10 2014 19:10 Ghanburighan wrote: Why the hell would the Red Cross make an official statement in `The Rakyat post' The post about red cross workers is correct, note that Irina Tsaryuk of the Red Cross made the statement:P.S. mc, please take a closer look at the post, EuromaidanPR was the pic, the text is a Reuters article. The article that I linked is quoting David Pierre Marquet, ICRC spokesman for Europe and Central Asia. | ||
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Mc
332 Posts
Ok reread Reuter's article and it quoted a red-cross member mentioning beatings so it sounds legit. I wasn't claiming EuroMaidanPR was wrong in this case, but a lot of their posts need to be fact-checked cause they post anything anti-separatist/Russian without care for veracity (at least on their facebook feed). | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On May 10 2014 19:10 Mc wrote: @Cheerio, which Ukrainian media is more reliable/factual? Big TV news are pretty good, like 1+1, STB, ICTV. They don't deliberately lie like the Russians do, but sometimes they post unconfirmed stuff and jump to conclusions. You can clearly see where their sympathies lie, but that is hardly surprising considering the shit that is going on. And they don't have English language news. Mostly all Ukrainian sorces in English are just reposting stuff, like I am. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
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sgtnoobkilla
Australia249 Posts
On May 10 2014 18:58 kukarachaa wrote: I suggest avoiding Ukrainian media, its like Russian one on crack when it comes to propaganda. That's why I also posted two more articles from two very different sources as well (I always do, btw). Something like this can hardly be fabricated by Ukrainian media alone when other news sources from across the board are also reporting the same thing. On May 10 2014 18:58 kukarachaa wrote: Red cross official statement, some members were detained for a couple hours, everyone is unharmed. Harmed or not, there is still no legal precedent for the separatists to arrest them for any period of time. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22210 Posts
On May 10 2014 21:13 sgtnoobkilla wrote: Harmed or not, there is still no legal precedent for the separatists to arrest them for any period of time. Separatists are arresting/intimidating anyone how is foreign with seemingly no regard for affiliation or reason. It perfectly fits into the picture they are painting of themselves. | ||
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sgtnoobkilla
Australia249 Posts
On May 10 2014 21:17 Gorsameth wrote: Separatists are arresting/intimidating anyone how is foreign with seemingly no regard for affiliation or reason. It perfectly fits into the picture they are painting of themselves. They're getting very desperate that's for sure. I feel like after Putin gave them the middle finger, all the separatists are trying to do at this point is to force his hand into intervening with one fiasco after another. | ||
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mortales
174 Posts
I don't think they are pro-Russian, it's comfortable for western media to call them so, but, according to what I've heard from my friends about their relatives from Ukraine, they fight for themselves and what's going on now is really a pity. | ||
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Mc
332 Posts
http://themoscownews.com/politics/20131230/192136238/Putin-signs-law-criminalizing-calls-to-separatism.html | ||
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Mc
332 Posts
"prohibit Russian language" -false (they attempted to reverse a law passed a few years ago concerning making Russian official language. Wasn't signed into law. It was a stupid decision to try to reverse it given the situation) " there is no reason to call oppositioners as Pro-Russian" - constantly calling for Russia to help/intervene. Chants of "Rosija, Rosija" at rallies, burning Ukrainian flags? "I don't listen to the media much" -not surprised "they are just civil" -... ? You mean civilians? Yeah most of them are civilians, but many of them are armed and capturing journalists, killing people, etc. You actually meant "civil"...? I don't think I need to respond to that. I agree with the fact that they have legitimate concerns, but armed rebellion given the fact that there will be new elections in a couple weeks is ridiculous. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On May 10 2014 18:58 kukarachaa wrote: I suggest avoiding Ukrainian media, its like Russian one on crack when it comes to propaganda. http://www.therakyatpost.com/world/2014/05/10/tensions-soar-east-ukraine-ahead-referendum/ Red cross official statement, some members were detained for a couple hours, everyone is unharmed. "They were released at two o´clock. One had beeen heavily beaten," Red Cross official Irina Tsaryuk told Reuters. He was now in hospital. Red Cross headquarters in Geneva said simply that there had been "some kind of incident last night". I suggest avoiding to "downplay" stuff, i would not call somebody beaten to hospital "unharmed". In fact, propaganda would be what you're doing right now. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
*** Useful article considering previous discussions: *** Interesting: *** Details about tomorrow's `referendum': This is especially bad: *** | ||
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Roman666
Poland1440 Posts
On May 10 2014 23:08 Ghanburighan wrote: Details about tomorrow's `referendum': https://twitter.com/ystriya/status/464926718810402816 https://twitter.com/adienis/status/465104917519020032 https://twitter.com/StateOfUkraine/status/465126139854217219 This is especially bad: https://twitter.com/StateOfUkraine/status/465131557158526977 Hardly surprising to be honest. If they found 100k of these, I guess there is still about 2.9m left somewhere. Afterall the results will have to say 99.5% in favor, right? | ||
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Mc
332 Posts
nice link you posted (votes) Are the guys dead? Seems like : plastic bags on head + not moving = suggests dead. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On May 10 2014 23:53 Mc wrote: @Ghan nice link you posted (votes) Are the guys dead? Seems like : plastic bags on head + not moving = suggests dead. This article says they were arrested. Don't know why the black bags are there. | ||
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