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mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
March 04 2014 09:58 GMT
#3821
Yesterday the US claimed that there is no movement of ships because of the Ukraine crisis, and that all movements follow their usual routines set months ago.
This is, looking at the past weeks, the standard phrase for 'We are bringing everything in position'
I'm sure all the nations involved had a sylvester party, in which they decided 'Hey let's all all move our whole military equipment to one place in the beginning of march, it will surely be fun to read, what the media makes out of it', that's why now all these plans existed for months and no changed needed to be made!
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9198 Posts
March 04 2014 10:01 GMT
#3822
On March 04 2014 18:38 r.Evo wrote:
That video above and Steven Seagals comment so far beat the hell out of the clips that are actually getting airtime. =/

Some of the coverage out there is just shockingly bad.

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2014/03/02/how-u-s-should-respond-to-russia/

Remember, Crimea is in the Northern Caucasus, the area where Russia has been battling a ferocious Muslim insurgency.


Someone donate this CNN international expert a map.
mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
March 04 2014 10:13 GMT
#3823
So Kasparov is now officialy Croatian. Alekhine and Spassky became French, Petrosian is considered more Armenian than Russian, same goes to Tal from Latvia. Soon Russia will run out of world chess champions ^^
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
March 04 2014 10:20 GMT
#3824
On March 04 2014 19:01 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 18:38 r.Evo wrote:
That video above and Steven Seagals comment so far beat the hell out of the clips that are actually getting airtime. =/

Some of the coverage out there is just shockingly bad.

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2014/03/02/how-u-s-should-respond-to-russia/

Show nested quote +
Remember, Crimea is in the Northern Caucasus, the area where Russia has been battling a ferocious Muslim insurgency.


Someone donate this CNN international expert a map.


ahaha.
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
sgtnoobkilla
Profile Joined July 2012
Australia249 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-04 10:27:23
March 04 2014 10:26 GMT
#3825
On March 04 2014 18:49 Cheerio wrote:
In response to a Russian invasion, the United States has sent an aircraft carrier strike group into the Black Sea toward the Crimean peninsula of Ukraine. The super-carrier USS George W. Bush plus seventeen other ships and three submarines passed through the Aegean sea this afternoon. The George W. Bush is carrying 90 aircraft and helicopters of various types, including several squadron's of F-22 Raptors, the most advanced combat aircraft in the world. The submarines each have twenty four missile silos, with each silo housing a missile armed with eight separate nuclear warheads which operate as MIRV's (Multiple Independent Re-Entry Vehicles) that can be independently targeted.


Since when did USN carriers house F-22s?

On March 04 2014 18:49 Cheerio wrote:
Not sure if this was posted before but there is information a US carrier strike group was in the Aegean Sea heading for the Black sea. 17 ships and 3 submarines involved.


And how are you going to get a carrier into the Black Sea? Transport it by medivac?
Sarcasm aside, the 6th fleet always rotates in the med with a standard escort, it's not particularly news. The Russians would no doubt have eyes on the carrier already (not that they can do anything about it).
Don't play with your food unless it plays with you first.
mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
March 04 2014 10:32 GMT
#3826
Whats the problem of carrier going into Black sea? I dont believe Turkey will not let NATO ships through their straits.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
March 04 2014 10:34 GMT
#3827
On March 04 2014 19:13 mdb wrote:
So Kasparov is now officialy Croatian. Alekhine and Spassky became French, Petrosian is considered more Armenian than Russian, same goes to Tal from Latvia. Soon Russia will run out of world chess champions ^^

Well once you come to our coast, you don't really want to leave. We are not called a nation of 1000 islands for nothing
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
March 04 2014 10:35 GMT
#3828
On March 04 2014 19:32 mdb wrote:
Whats the problem of carrier going into Black sea? I dont believe Turkey will not let NATO ships through their straits.

There is some treaty prohibiting it I think, plus maybe some technical difficulties with Bosporus ?
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
March 04 2014 10:35 GMT
#3829
On March 04 2014 19:34 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 19:13 mdb wrote:
So Kasparov is now officialy Croatian. Alekhine and Spassky became French, Petrosian is considered more Armenian than Russian, same goes to Tal from Latvia. Soon Russia will run out of world chess champions ^^

Well once you come to our coast, you don't really want to leave. We are not called a nation of 1000 islands for nothing

that's a good signing croatia. grats.
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
Saihv
Profile Joined March 2013
Finland54 Posts
March 04 2014 10:36 GMT
#3830
On March 04 2014 19:32 mdb wrote:
Whats the problem of carrier going into Black sea? I dont believe Turkey will not let NATO ships through their straits.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreux_Convention_Regarding_the_Regime_of_the_Straits

Basicly turkey will say no to carriers.
mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
March 04 2014 10:39 GMT
#3831
On March 04 2014 19:34 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 19:13 mdb wrote:
So Kasparov is now officialy Croatian. Alekhine and Spassky became French, Petrosian is considered more Armenian than Russian, same goes to Tal from Latvia. Soon Russia will run out of world chess champions ^^

Well once you come to our coast, you don't really want to leave. We are not called a nation of 1000 islands for nothing

Yeah, I`ve been to Croatia and its insane there, but somehow I doubt that chilling on the islands was the main reason for Kasparov to throw away his russian passport

On March 04 2014 19:36 Saihv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 19:32 mdb wrote:
Whats the problem of carrier going into Black sea? I dont believe Turkey will not let NATO ships through their straits.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreux_Convention_Regarding_the_Regime_of_the_Straits

Basicly turkey will say no to carriers.


thanks, didnt know that
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4751 Posts
March 04 2014 10:40 GMT
#3832
Bosphorus is in some parts only 13m deep. The depth of the strait might be the problem (but i doubt that). Perhaps some people dont realize theres direct connection between aegan and black sea.
Pathetic Greta hater.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 04 2014 10:41 GMT
#3833
Putin's speech live now:

http://rt.com/on-air/russian-president-putin-statement/
http://www.tv4.se/nyheterna/klipp/live-fortsatt-dramatiskt-om-ukraina-2566680
http://www.aljazeera.com/watch_now/
http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Udland/2014/03/04/090313.htm
http://rt.com/on-air/russian-president-putin-statement/
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Orek
Profile Joined February 2012
1665 Posts
March 04 2014 10:41 GMT
#3834
On March 04 2014 19:01 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 18:38 r.Evo wrote:
That video above and Steven Seagals comment so far beat the hell out of the clips that are actually getting airtime. =/

Some of the coverage out there is just shockingly bad.

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2014/03/02/how-u-s-should-respond-to-russia/

Show nested quote +
Remember, Crimea is in the Northern Caucasus, the area where Russia has been battling a ferocious Muslim insurgency.


Someone donate this CNN international expert a map.

Americans and their geographic knowledge...
Test yourself here

http://images.stltoday.com/mds/00001553/content/

Can't believe half of Americans don't even know where NY state located.

User was warned for this post
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 04 2014 10:43 GMT
#3835
Putin:

It’s an unconstitutional overthrow and an armed seizure of power.”
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4751 Posts
March 04 2014 10:45 GMT
#3836
Turkey have already allowed US ships violating this convention to pass several times. They might very well do so again.
Pathetic Greta hater.
sgtnoobkilla
Profile Joined July 2012
Australia249 Posts
March 04 2014 10:47 GMT
#3837
On March 04 2014 19:32 mdb wrote:
Whats the problem of carrier going into Black sea? I dont believe Turkey will not let NATO ships through their straits.


Turkey would probably be more than happy to have a flattop in there regardless of whatever treaty supposedly prohibits it.
Problems getting into the Black Sea. That channel isn't particularly friendly for big ships to traverse through.
Don't play with your food unless it plays with you first.
mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
March 04 2014 10:49 GMT
#3838
On March 04 2014 19:47 sgtnoobkilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 19:32 mdb wrote:
Whats the problem of carrier going into Black sea? I dont believe Turkey will not let NATO ships through their straits.


Turkey would probably be more than happy to have a flattop in there regardless of whatever treaty supposedly prohibits it.
Problems getting into the Black Sea. That channel isn't particularly friendly for big ships to traverse through.


Well dunno, I ve seen big container ships at Bulgarian ports, but I guess carrier is much bigger than that.
Twoflowers
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany241 Posts
March 04 2014 10:51 GMT
#3839
On March 04 2014 19:49 mdb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 19:47 sgtnoobkilla wrote:
On March 04 2014 19:32 mdb wrote:
Whats the problem of carrier going into Black sea? I dont believe Turkey will not let NATO ships through their straits.


Turkey would probably be more than happy to have a flattop in there regardless of whatever treaty supposedly prohibits it.
Problems getting into the Black Sea. That channel isn't particularly friendly for big ships to traverse through.


Well dunno, I ve seen big container ships at Bulgarian ports, but I guess carrier is much bigger than that.


Carriers are actually relatively small compared to the biggest containerships.
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15365 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-04 10:56:20
March 04 2014 10:53 GMT
#3840
Carriers fit fine through there. Just last year In 2001 they shipped the one China bought from Ukraine through the strait.
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