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Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 04 2014 10:54 GMT
#3841



Conflicting?
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 04 2014 10:55 GMT
#3842
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
March 04 2014 10:57 GMT
#3843


She is certainly not the only one
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
March 04 2014 10:59 GMT
#3844
He's also saying in a nutshell that he's completely comfortable using the exact same line as America whenever Russia called their moves illegitimate aka not give a damn.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-04 11:02:00
March 04 2014 11:01 GMT
#3845
Wowowowow. Did he just explain that Crimea elected their own legitimate president of... Ukraine? What.

e: Or did he mean the leadership of Crimea is more legitimate than anything in Kiev because they had public elections about it while Kiev didn't?
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6343 Posts
March 04 2014 11:02 GMT
#3846
On March 04 2014 20:01 r.Evo wrote:
Wowowowow. Did he just explain that Crimea elected their own legitimate president of... Ukraine? What.

e: Or did he mean the leadership of Crimea is more legitimate than anything in Kiev because they had public elections about it while Kiev didn't?

President of Crimea, not Ukraine.
Pre-emptive retaliatory de-escalation action
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9235 Posts
March 04 2014 11:04 GMT
#3847
On March 04 2014 20:02 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 20:01 r.Evo wrote:
Wowowowow. Did he just explain that Crimea elected their own legitimate president of... Ukraine? What.

e: Or did he mean the leadership of Crimea is more legitimate than anything in Kiev because they had public elections about it while Kiev didn't?

President of Crimea, not Ukraine.

Prime Minister of Crimea, it doesn't have a president since '95
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
March 04 2014 11:04 GMT
#3848
Clearly says Russia does not want to annex Crimea however also clearly says that the people should be able to exercise their right of self-determination and be allowed to do what they want.

Called it.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
sgtnoobkilla
Profile Joined July 2012
Australia249 Posts
March 04 2014 11:04 GMT
#3849
On March 04 2014 19:53 zatic wrote:
Carriers fit fine through there. Just last year In 2001 they shipped the one China bought from Ukraine through the strait.


Hmm fair point.
Then again, even if the carrier group decided to divert in there they'd just be a symbolic gesture more than anything (ala carriers between China and Taiwan). It would make more sense to use those bases in Bulgaria or Poland if the US really wanted to intervene.
Don't play with your food unless it plays with you first.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
March 04 2014 11:06 GMT
#3850
On March 04 2014 18:35 discomatt wrote:


I don't think this has been posted yet. Apologies if it has.

Wow this is pretty cool to see.
Neosteel Enthusiast
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
March 04 2014 11:07 GMT
#3851
On March 04 2014 20:04 r.Evo wrote:
Clearly says Russia does not want to annex Crimea however also clearly says that the people should be able to exercise their right of self-determination and be allowed to do what they want.

Called it.


Im sure he has the same reasoning regarding such regions in russia :o
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
March 04 2014 11:07 GMT
#3852
tl;dr: IF Russia has to declare a war it will be to protect the Ukrainian people.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Salazarz
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Korea (South)2591 Posts
March 04 2014 11:09 GMT
#3853
To be fair, Yanukovich IS the elected president of Ukraine, and despite the corruption and shittiness of Ukrainean government (not just the president's office but as a whole), his election was pretty closely monitored and was considered legitimate - whereas his ousting was by no means such. He wasn't impeached, there hadn't been a referendum or anything to get rid of him, either.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
March 04 2014 11:10 GMT
#3854
(Personal comment, not related to his speech)

Next thing that's going to happen is "Ukrainian troops" opening fire on Russians / civilians and Russia using that as a reason to to escalate the situation under the pretense of a war to defend the people. Whether those will be actual Ukrainians or Russians in other uniforms won't matter.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
March 04 2014 11:11 GMT
#3855
On March 04 2014 20:09 Salazarz wrote:
To be fair, Yanukovich IS the elected president of Ukraine, and despite the corruption and shittiness of Ukrainean government (not just the president's office but as a whole), his election was pretty closely monitored and was considered legitimate - whereas his ousting was by no means such. He wasn't impeached, there hadn't been a referendum or anything to get rid of him, either.

Well he did start gunning down citizens in the streets, so theres that...
Neosteel Enthusiast
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
March 04 2014 11:12 GMT
#3856
On March 04 2014 20:09 Salazarz wrote:
To be fair, Yanukovich IS the elected president of Ukraine, and despite the corruption and shittiness of Ukrainean government (not just the president's office but as a whole), his election was pretty closely monitored and was considered legitimate - whereas his ousting was by no means such. He wasn't impeached, there hadn't been a referendum or anything to get rid of him, either.

besides the policemen and defenders of their state who are being attacked by revolutionists, this is the worst part of this all, there was NO election after the revolution YET the western countries think Oleksandr Turchynov is legit. i don't understand this. maybe someone can explain it to me
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
March 04 2014 11:12 GMT
#3857
On March 04 2014 20:11 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 20:09 Salazarz wrote:
To be fair, Yanukovich IS the elected president of Ukraine, and despite the corruption and shittiness of Ukrainean government (not just the president's office but as a whole), his election was pretty closely monitored and was considered legitimate - whereas his ousting was by no means such. He wasn't impeached, there hadn't been a referendum or anything to get rid of him, either.

Well he did start gunning down citizens in the streets, so theres that...

According to Putin he never gave such an order. Which, while possibly true, will be completely unverifiable by anyone.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6343 Posts
March 04 2014 11:13 GMT
#3858
On March 04 2014 20:12 Undead1993 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 20:09 Salazarz wrote:
To be fair, Yanukovich IS the elected president of Ukraine, and despite the corruption and shittiness of Ukrainean government (not just the president's office but as a whole), his election was pretty closely monitored and was considered legitimate - whereas his ousting was by no means such. He wasn't impeached, there hadn't been a referendum or anything to get rid of him, either.

besides the policemen and defenders of their state who are being attacked by revolutionists, this is the worst part of this all, there was NO election after the revolution YET the western countries think Oleksandr Turchynov is legit. i don't understand this. maybe someone can explain it to me

It cannot be explained because there is no explanation. The junta in Kiev is illegitimate.
Pre-emptive retaliatory de-escalation action
kukarachaa
Profile Joined February 2011
United States284 Posts
March 04 2014 11:13 GMT
#3859
Watching this statement, I may not like Putin but I do respect him for doing this, he is taking the time to answer a lot of provocative questions.
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
March 04 2014 11:14 GMT
#3860
On March 04 2014 20:12 Undead1993 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 20:09 Salazarz wrote:
To be fair, Yanukovich IS the elected president of Ukraine, and despite the corruption and shittiness of Ukrainean government (not just the president's office but as a whole), his election was pretty closely monitored and was considered legitimate - whereas his ousting was by no means such. He wasn't impeached, there hadn't been a referendum or anything to get rid of him, either.

besides the policemen and defenders of their state who are being attacked by revolutionists, this is the worst part of this all, there was NO election after the revolution YET the western countries think Oleksandr Turchynov is legit. i don't understand this. maybe someone can explain it to me


Yanukovich fled the country after using snipers on demonstrants. The parlament, including his own party, voted to remove Yanukovich. Elections are set for 25 may or something like that.
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