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AleXoundOS
Profile Joined January 2011
Georgia458 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-02 17:39:50
March 02 2014 17:38 GMT
#2641
On March 03 2014 02:33 Ramong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2014 02:32 AleXoundOS wrote:
On March 03 2014 02:24 Ramong wrote:
On March 03 2014 02:22 zeo wrote:
On March 03 2014 02:14 AleXoundOS wrote:
On March 03 2014 01:45 craaaaack wrote:[...]the countries of the west did not fulfill their promises and broke on what they agreed to do - now they have to be confronted by facts.
What kind of promises did the west countries break that would legitimate what Russia is doing right now?
He says: "The west did something bad and this got us mad. Now we do something bad back to them."

I explained in this thread previously that west publicly supports the maidan leaders who did not fulfill the agreement in Kiev that was witnessed by foreign ministers.
But of course it's a stupid position to react with military forces to this. It just shows how weak Russia is being unable to affect the situation without forces.

This. What is happening now in Ukraine is exclusively the fault of the people running euromaidan. All the opposition leaders signed the agreement and all everyone had to do was to wait until elections. But no, because crazy radicals had long since taken over the protests they of course, broke all agreements and forcefully seized power. Sending the country into turmoil, good job euromaidan.

But why does that justify a Russian invasion?

Do you read several texts at the same time or how you get this conclusion out of the context above in quotes??
Now I understand how some people think in EU about these events.

So you would not call what is happening in Crimea as an invasion?

Where did you read in the quotes above by me or zeo that something justifies a Russian invasion??

It's your imagination and confusing things together.
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DonKey_
Profile Joined May 2010
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-02 17:41:37
March 02 2014 17:40 GMT
#2642
On March 03 2014 02:31 Ramong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2014 02:30 zeo wrote:
On March 03 2014 02:24 Ramong wrote:
On March 03 2014 02:22 zeo wrote:
On March 03 2014 02:14 AleXoundOS wrote:
On March 03 2014 01:45 craaaaack wrote:[...]the countries of the west did not fulfill their promises and broke on what they agreed to do - now they have to be confronted by facts.
What kind of promises did the west countries break that would legitimate what Russia is doing right now?
He says: "The west did something bad and this got us mad. Now we do something bad back to them."

I explained in this thread previously that west publicly supports the maidan leaders who did not fulfill the agreement in Kiev that was witnessed by foreign ministers.
But of course it's a stupid position to react with military forces to this. It just shows how weak Russia is being unable to affect the situation without forces.

This. What is happening now in Ukraine is exclusively the fault of the people running euromaidan. All the opposition leaders signed the agreement and all everyone had to do was to wait until elections. But no, because crazy radicals had long since taken over the protests they of course, broke all agreements and forcefully seized power. Sending the country into turmoil, good job euromaidan.

What? Sure the opposition leaders should have honored the agreement and waited for an election.

But why does that justify a Russian invasion? Putin used the excuse that the Russian people living in Crimea was in danger.
When in fact the only ones with weapons was the Russians themself.

No one was killing Russians in Crimea, Putin just want Crimea back as part of Russia

A referendum in Crimea about joining Russia seems like the only democratic solution

Would there have been a Russian peacekeeping force in Crimea if Kiev hadn't have been taken over by a junta? NO
This can only be put solely at the feet of the junta. The junta doesn't even control the military, the people don't want them in power.


There is no such thing as the people...

And without an election how could you know what the majority wants?

That guy knows everything about the current situation in Ukraine. It's the only way he could keep making baseless arguments supported by nothing for 3 days straight. The amount of presumptions this guy makes without any citations is as amazing as his need to use the word "junta" in every single one of his posts.

I cannot comprehend how he thinks he can simply say his radical views without supporting them.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
March 02 2014 17:42 GMT
#2643
On March 03 2014 02:40 DonKey_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2014 02:31 Ramong wrote:
On March 03 2014 02:30 zeo wrote:
On March 03 2014 02:24 Ramong wrote:
On March 03 2014 02:22 zeo wrote:
On March 03 2014 02:14 AleXoundOS wrote:
On March 03 2014 01:45 craaaaack wrote:[...]the countries of the west did not fulfill their promises and broke on what they agreed to do - now they have to be confronted by facts.
What kind of promises did the west countries break that would legitimate what Russia is doing right now?
He says: "The west did something bad and this got us mad. Now we do something bad back to them."

I explained in this thread previously that west publicly supports the maidan leaders who did not fulfill the agreement in Kiev that was witnessed by foreign ministers.
But of course it's a stupid position to react with military forces to this. It just shows how weak Russia is being unable to affect the situation without forces.

This. What is happening now in Ukraine is exclusively the fault of the people running euromaidan. All the opposition leaders signed the agreement and all everyone had to do was to wait until elections. But no, because crazy radicals had long since taken over the protests they of course, broke all agreements and forcefully seized power. Sending the country into turmoil, good job euromaidan.

What? Sure the opposition leaders should have honored the agreement and waited for an election.

But why does that justify a Russian invasion? Putin used the excuse that the Russian people living in Crimea was in danger.
When in fact the only ones with weapons was the Russians themself.

No one was killing Russians in Crimea, Putin just want Crimea back as part of Russia

A referendum in Crimea about joining Russia seems like the only democratic solution

Would there have been a Russian peacekeeping force in Crimea if Kiev hadn't have been taken over by a junta? NO
This can only be put solely at the feet of the junta. The junta doesn't even control the military, the people don't want them in power.


There is no such thing as the people...

And without an election how could you know what the majority wants?

That guy knows everything about the current situation in Ukraine. It's the only way he could keep making baseless arguments supported by nothing for 3 days straight. The amount of presumptions this guy makes without any citations is as amazing as his need to use the word "junta" in every single one of his posts.


Yeah, I would ignore the whole "junta" thing. I've only seen two users use it here: zeo and zeomx. It's main definition means something other than what zeo is using it for, and the only alternative is something that almost all governments could be labeled as.
Ramong
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark1706 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-02 17:45:42
March 02 2014 17:43 GMT
#2644
On March 03 2014 02:38 AleXoundOS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2014 02:33 Ramong wrote:
On March 03 2014 02:32 AleXoundOS wrote:
On March 03 2014 02:24 Ramong wrote:
On March 03 2014 02:22 zeo wrote:
On March 03 2014 02:14 AleXoundOS wrote:
On March 03 2014 01:45 craaaaack wrote:[...]the countries of the west did not fulfill their promises and broke on what they agreed to do - now they have to be confronted by facts.
What kind of promises did the west countries break that would legitimate what Russia is doing right now?
He says: "The west did something bad and this got us mad. Now we do something bad back to them."

I explained in this thread previously that west publicly supports the maidan leaders who did not fulfill the agreement in Kiev that was witnessed by foreign ministers.
But of course it's a stupid position to react with military forces to this. It just shows how weak Russia is being unable to affect the situation without forces.

This. What is happening now in Ukraine is exclusively the fault of the people running euromaidan. All the opposition leaders signed the agreement and all everyone had to do was to wait until elections. But no, because crazy radicals had long since taken over the protests they of course, broke all agreements and forcefully seized power. Sending the country into turmoil, good job euromaidan.

But why does that justify a Russian invasion?

Do you read several texts at the same time or how you get this conclusion out of the context above in quotes??
Now I understand how some people think in EU about these events.

So you would not call what is happening in Crimea as an invasion?

Where did you read in the quotes above by me or zeo that something justifies a Russian invasion??

It's your imagination and confusing things together.


Never said that you tried to justify an Russian invasion of Crimea.

But Putin asked parliament to approve force "in connection with the extraordinary situation in Ukraine, the threat to the lives of citizens of the Russian Federation, our compatriots" and to protect the Black Sea Fleet in Crimea.

When in fact no one in Crimea was in danger, as I said before and will say again, the only ones in Crimea with weapons are the Russian army

"Yeah buddy"
AleXoundOS
Profile Joined January 2011
Georgia458 Posts
March 02 2014 17:48 GMT
#2645
It's close to junta, but in this case less-radical opposition sits in Rada with radical forces outside (except Lviv, Ternopil and other west cities where it really looks as junta).
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Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-02 17:50:14
March 02 2014 17:48 GMT
#2646
On March 03 2014 02:43 Ramong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2014 02:38 AleXoundOS wrote:
On March 03 2014 02:33 Ramong wrote:
On March 03 2014 02:32 AleXoundOS wrote:
On March 03 2014 02:24 Ramong wrote:
On March 03 2014 02:22 zeo wrote:
On March 03 2014 02:14 AleXoundOS wrote:
On March 03 2014 01:45 craaaaack wrote:[...]the countries of the west did not fulfill their promises and broke on what they agreed to do - now they have to be confronted by facts.
What kind of promises did the west countries break that would legitimate what Russia is doing right now?
He says: "The west did something bad and this got us mad. Now we do something bad back to them."

I explained in this thread previously that west publicly supports the maidan leaders who did not fulfill the agreement in Kiev that was witnessed by foreign ministers.
But of course it's a stupid position to react with military forces to this. It just shows how weak Russia is being unable to affect the situation without forces.

This. What is happening now in Ukraine is exclusively the fault of the people running euromaidan. All the opposition leaders signed the agreement and all everyone had to do was to wait until elections. But no, because crazy radicals had long since taken over the protests they of course, broke all agreements and forcefully seized power. Sending the country into turmoil, good job euromaidan.

But why does that justify a Russian invasion?

Do you read several texts at the same time or how you get this conclusion out of the context above in quotes??
Now I understand how some people think in EU about these events.

So you would not call what is happening in Crimea as an invasion?

Where did you read in the quotes above by me or zeo that something justifies a Russian invasion??

It's your imagination and confusing things together.


Never said that you tried to justify an Russian invasion of Crimea.

But Putin asked parliament to approve force "in connection with the extraordinary situation in Ukraine, the threat to the lives of citizens of the Russian Federation, our compatriots" and to protect the Black Sea Fleet in Crimea.

When in fact no one in Crimea was in danger, as I said before and will say again, the only ones in Crimea with weapons are the Russian army


News 'channels' like RT are broadcasting images from last weeks euromaidan as 'live' images coming from the crimea, and 150k russians have fled crimea according to RU tv. The justification is a completely fabricated story.

The guys taking over the buildings in crimea are suspected to be part of PMC's, the protestors in eastern ukrainian cities are rumored to be bussed in and others are supposedly paid (which is why the protest ended so abruptly in some cities). The russian state together with the russian media (all pretty much under the states control) are creating their own narrative.
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6344 Posts
March 02 2014 17:50 GMT
#2647
On March 03 2014 02:42 Saryph wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2014 02:40 DonKey_ wrote:
On March 03 2014 02:31 Ramong wrote:
On March 03 2014 02:30 zeo wrote:
On March 03 2014 02:24 Ramong wrote:
On March 03 2014 02:22 zeo wrote:
On March 03 2014 02:14 AleXoundOS wrote:
On March 03 2014 01:45 craaaaack wrote:[...]the countries of the west did not fulfill their promises and broke on what they agreed to do - now they have to be confronted by facts.
What kind of promises did the west countries break that would legitimate what Russia is doing right now?
He says: "The west did something bad and this got us mad. Now we do something bad back to them."

I explained in this thread previously that west publicly supports the maidan leaders who did not fulfill the agreement in Kiev that was witnessed by foreign ministers.
But of course it's a stupid position to react with military forces to this. It just shows how weak Russia is being unable to affect the situation without forces.

This. What is happening now in Ukraine is exclusively the fault of the people running euromaidan. All the opposition leaders signed the agreement and all everyone had to do was to wait until elections. But no, because crazy radicals had long since taken over the protests they of course, broke all agreements and forcefully seized power. Sending the country into turmoil, good job euromaidan.

What? Sure the opposition leaders should have honored the agreement and waited for an election.

But why does that justify a Russian invasion? Putin used the excuse that the Russian people living in Crimea was in danger.
When in fact the only ones with weapons was the Russians themself.

No one was killing Russians in Crimea, Putin just want Crimea back as part of Russia

A referendum in Crimea about joining Russia seems like the only democratic solution

Would there have been a Russian peacekeeping force in Crimea if Kiev hadn't have been taken over by a junta? NO
This can only be put solely at the feet of the junta. The junta doesn't even control the military, the people don't want them in power.


There is no such thing as the people...

And without an election how could you know what the majority wants?

That guy knows everything about the current situation in Ukraine. It's the only way he could keep making baseless arguments supported by nothing for 3 days straight. The amount of presumptions this guy makes without any citations is as amazing as his need to use the word "junta" in every single one of his posts.


Yeah, I would ignore the whole "junta" thing. I've only seen two users use it here: zeo and zeomx. It's main definition means something other than what zeo is using it for, and the only alternative is something that almost all governments could be labeled as.

Is it a democratically elected government? No. Did it overthrow a democratically elected government? Yes. Did it use force? Yes. I'm sorry that your media feels differently about what exactly this 'government' running Ukraine is.

Hell, the west has stated that the legitimate government of Syria is the rebel one. I don't see them controlling anything. What about Libya? The legitimate government there passed Sharia Law and has barley any control over the tribes in the country.
“What the public criticizes in you, cultivate. It is you.” - Jean Cocteau
ImFromPortugal
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal1368 Posts
March 02 2014 17:54 GMT
#2648
Ukraine navy chief switches allegiance to Crimea pro-Russia authorities, a day after he was appointed - @AFP

awkward
Yes im
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6344 Posts
March 02 2014 17:54 GMT
#2649
On March 03 2014 02:48 Derez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2014 02:43 Ramong wrote:
On March 03 2014 02:38 AleXoundOS wrote:
On March 03 2014 02:33 Ramong wrote:
On March 03 2014 02:32 AleXoundOS wrote:
On March 03 2014 02:24 Ramong wrote:
On March 03 2014 02:22 zeo wrote:
On March 03 2014 02:14 AleXoundOS wrote:
On March 03 2014 01:45 craaaaack wrote:[...]the countries of the west did not fulfill their promises and broke on what they agreed to do - now they have to be confronted by facts.
What kind of promises did the west countries break that would legitimate what Russia is doing right now?
He says: "The west did something bad and this got us mad. Now we do something bad back to them."

I explained in this thread previously that west publicly supports the maidan leaders who did not fulfill the agreement in Kiev that was witnessed by foreign ministers.
But of course it's a stupid position to react with military forces to this. It just shows how weak Russia is being unable to affect the situation without forces.

This. What is happening now in Ukraine is exclusively the fault of the people running euromaidan. All the opposition leaders signed the agreement and all everyone had to do was to wait until elections. But no, because crazy radicals had long since taken over the protests they of course, broke all agreements and forcefully seized power. Sending the country into turmoil, good job euromaidan.

But why does that justify a Russian invasion?

Do you read several texts at the same time or how you get this conclusion out of the context above in quotes??
Now I understand how some people think in EU about these events.

So you would not call what is happening in Crimea as an invasion?

Where did you read in the quotes above by me or zeo that something justifies a Russian invasion??

It's your imagination and confusing things together.


Never said that you tried to justify an Russian invasion of Crimea.

But Putin asked parliament to approve force "in connection with the extraordinary situation in Ukraine, the threat to the lives of citizens of the Russian Federation, our compatriots" and to protect the Black Sea Fleet in Crimea.

When in fact no one in Crimea was in danger, as I said before and will say again, the only ones in Crimea with weapons are the Russian army


News 'channels' like RT are broadcasting images from last weeks euromaidan as 'live' images coming from the crimea, and 150k russians have fled crimea according to RU tv. The justification is a completely fabricated story.

The guys taking over the buildings in crimea are suspected to be part of PMC's, the protestors in eastern ukrainian cities are rumored to be bussed in and others are supposedly paid (which is why the protest ended so abruptly in some cities). The russian state together with the russian media (all pretty much under the states control) are creating their own narrative.

Please tell me more about protesters being bussed in. My girlfriend's father runs a transport company and he has had 2 trucks and drivers locked down in Ukraine for weeks. They drivers say they can't get out of the country through Russia and are now trying to get through to Belarus. How do 30k Russians get passed Ukrainian border guards but a legitimate transport truck with Russian and Ukrainian papers can't get through?
“What the public criticizes in you, cultivate. It is you.” - Jean Cocteau
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
March 02 2014 17:56 GMT
#2650
On March 03 2014 02:14 AleXoundOS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2014 01:45 craaaaack wrote:[...]the countries of the west did not fulfill their promises and broke on what they agreed to do - now they have to be confronted by facts.
What kind of promises did the west countries break that would legitimate what Russia is doing right now?
He says: "The west did something bad and this got us mad. Now we do something bad back to them."


But of course it's a stupid position to react with military forces to this. It just shows how weak Russia is being unable to affect the situation without forces.

the way...a fascist country might? one party, one putin, one russia!
craaaaack
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
479 Posts
March 02 2014 17:57 GMT
#2651


This was shown on russian tv yesterday before Putin asked the russian parliament to move forces into Ukraine. Also reported by other russian media + Show Spoiler +
http://www.rosbalt.ru/ukraina/2014/03/01/1239236.html
http://www.dp.ru/a/2014/03/01/V_Simferopole_idet_strel/
and by a french site + Show Spoiler +
http://www.bfmtv.com/video/bfmtv/international/crimee-hommes-armes-tirent-palais-gouvernement-soldats-russes-ne-bougent-pas-01-03-180828/
, I can't watch it right now neither do I understand french... could anyone roughly translate what the french are saying about this?

Basically russian sources are saying that unknown masked people arrived in buses at a government building, started shooting people standing there and on the building itself. "Some" wounded, as well as journalists, but nothing fatal. Shortly after, they went back to their buses and drove away (LOL). Situation under control now by Crimean forces.

Transcript of what the reporter says in the clip:
"[0:00] attack on one of the buildings... journalists also injured but not fatal. [0:06] but this still is another proof that there are forces in Crimea trying to escalate the situation [0:13] but today the situation was brought under control by security forces... Crimean security forces now have full control of the area and other security forces such as the police are now under the full control of Crimean authority [0:33]"

after this it switches to talking about ex members of Berkut joining the russian police and getting russian passports.

I could watch the video again and again it's just SO STAGED. Nothing about it does make sense at all. Like, this is done so badly it could have been to fake russians faking an assault. But it was on russian tv so it's at least not faked by Ukrainians or someone else.

The weapons used by the attackers have been identified as used only by russian military.

Injured people (?) [0:06]-[0:10] on the ground? But no blood or anything? Just taking a nap?
The guy on the left at [0:33]-[0:37] casually walking along as shootings close to him were taking place? Armed guys running around?

How could they just hop on a bus and leave? What... Russian forces have been blocking everything on Crimea for some days already.


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Ramong
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark1706 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-02 18:01:40
March 02 2014 17:59 GMT
#2652
On March 03 2014 02:50 zeo wrote:
Is it a democratically elected government? No. Did it overthrow a democratically elected government? Yes. Did it use force? Yes. I'm sorry that your media feels differently about what exactly this 'government' running Ukraine is.


But it is still no Junta..
I don't think anyone here claimed that it was a democratic government.

On March 03 2014 02:50 zeo wrote:
Hell, the west has stated that the legitimate government of Syria is the rebel one. I don't see them controlling anything. What about Libya? The legitimate government there passed Sharia Law and has barley any control over the tribes in the country.


If you can find even 1 place where the Danish government recognition the Syrian rebels as a government, please do so..

What the danish government and the rest of EU in fact have is recognized the Syrian National Council as a legitimate representation of the Syrian people, and not a government-in-exile

What this means it that they represent some of the people, but no the hole country

there is a difference, please learn it
"Yeah buddy"
AleXoundOS
Profile Joined January 2011
Georgia458 Posts
March 02 2014 18:02 GMT
#2653
On March 03 2014 02:56 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2014 02:14 AleXoundOS wrote:
On March 03 2014 01:45 craaaaack wrote:[...]the countries of the west did not fulfill their promises and broke on what they agreed to do - now they have to be confronted by facts.
What kind of promises did the west countries break that would legitimate what Russia is doing right now?
He says: "The west did something bad and this got us mad. Now we do something bad back to them."


But of course it's a stupid position to react with military forces to this. It just shows how weak Russia is being unable to affect the situation without forces.

the way...a fascist country might? one party, one putin, one russia!
The thing is that Russian special forces have no idea about how to wage informational war, that successfully works from west.
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Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
March 02 2014 18:02 GMT
#2654
I think Russia plays this badly in the long run. Not only are they going to be isolated from EU-US, but even Ukrainians may start hating Russia, and they're one of the closest to them. It's a big hit in my opinion if it happens.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
March 02 2014 18:03 GMT
#2655
On March 03 2014 03:02 AleXoundOS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2014 02:56 Sub40APM wrote:
On March 03 2014 02:14 AleXoundOS wrote:
On March 03 2014 01:45 craaaaack wrote:[...]the countries of the west did not fulfill their promises and broke on what they agreed to do - now they have to be confronted by facts.
What kind of promises did the west countries break that would legitimate what Russia is doing right now?
He says: "The west did something bad and this got us mad. Now we do something bad back to them."


But of course it's a stupid position to react with military forces to this. It just shows how weak Russia is being unable to affect the situation without forces.

the way...a fascist country might? one party, one putin, one russia!
The thing is that Russian special forces have no idea about how to wage informational war, that successfully works from west.

I keep telling them to hire zeo and you, you are both quite excellent.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
March 02 2014 18:05 GMT
#2656
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-26404584

The UK has pulled out of preparatory talks for the G8 summit because of Russia's build-up of troops in the Ukrainian region of Crimea.

If UK really wanted to put the screws on Russia, they'd issue a blanket visa ban on Russians and start taking away their property.
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-02 18:08:00
March 02 2014 18:06 GMT
#2657
On March 03 2014 03:05 Sub40APM wrote:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-26404584

Show nested quote +
The UK has pulled out of preparatory talks for the G8 summit because of Russia's build-up of troops in the Ukrainian region of Crimea.

If UK really wanted to put the screws on Russia, they'd issue a blanket visa ban on Russians and start taking away their property.


There are some Russian lecturers at my university in the UK. This move may hurt innocent people.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 02 2014 18:06 GMT
#2658
This is a picture of the border crossing where the Russian media reported a mass exodus of refugees:

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http://echo.msk.ru/blog/echomsk/1270272-echo/
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-02 18:10:46
March 02 2014 18:08 GMT
#2659
On March 03 2014 02:57 craaaaack wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcFnQ6k-q00

This was shown on russian tv yesterday before Putin asked the russian parliament to move forces into Ukraine. Also reported by other russian media + Show Spoiler +
http://www.rosbalt.ru/ukraina/2014/03/01/1239236.html
http://www.dp.ru/a/2014/03/01/V_Simferopole_idet_strel/
and by a french site + Show Spoiler +
http://www.bfmtv.com/video/bfmtv/international/crimee-hommes-armes-tirent-palais-gouvernement-soldats-russes-ne-bougent-pas-01-03-180828/
, I can't watch it right now neither do I understand french... could anyone roughly translate what the french are saying about this?

Basically russian sources are saying that unknown masked people arrived in buses at a government building, started shooting people standing there and on the building itself. "Some" wounded, as well as journalists, but nothing fatal. Shortly after, they went back to their buses and drove away (LOL). Situation under control now by Crimean forces.

Transcript of what the reporter says in the clip:
"[0:00] attack on one of the buildings... journalists also injured but not fatal. [0:06] but this still is another proof that there are forces in Crimea trying to escalate the situation [0:13] but today the situation was brought under control by security forces... Crimean security forces now have full control of the area and other security forces such as the police are now under the full control of Crimean authority [0:33]"

after this it switches to talking about ex members of Berkut joining the russian police and getting russian passports.

I could watch the video again and again it's just SO STAGED. Nothing about it does make sense at all. Like, this is done so badly it could have been to fake russians faking an assault. But it was on russian tv so it's at least not faked by Ukrainians or someone else.

The weapons used by the attackers have been identified as used only by russian military.

Injured people (?) [0:06]-[0:10] on the ground? But no blood or anything? Just taking a nap?
The guy on the left at [0:33]-[0:37] casually walking along as shootings close to him were taking place? Armed guys running around?

How could they just hop on a bus and leave? What... Russian forces have been blocking everything on Crimea for some days already.



What the frenchs say is basicly that some armed people (around 20 to 30 with professionnal looking guns) came, shot on the gvt building and after a while jogged back to their busses and left. Meanwhile, the russian soldiers around the building did absolutely nothing.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
March 02 2014 18:11 GMT
#2660
On March 03 2014 03:06 darkness wrote:
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On March 03 2014 03:05 Sub40APM wrote:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-26404584

The UK has pulled out of preparatory talks for the G8 summit because of Russia's build-up of troops in the Ukrainian region of Crimea.

If UK really wanted to put the screws on Russia, they'd issue a blanket visa ban on Russians and start taking away their property.


There are some Russian lecturers at my university in the UK. This move may hurt innocent people.

It cant be helped, Putin gets to keep pretending to Russians they live in a normal state because the West treats them like a normal country.
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