Ukraine Crisis - Page 133

On March 03 2014 02:33 Ramong wrote:

So you would not call what is happening in Crimea as an invasion?

On March 03 2014 02:31 Ramong wrote:


There is no such thing as the people...

And without an election how could you know what the majority wants?

On March 03 2014 02:40 DonKey_ wrote:

That guy knows everything about the current situation in Ukraine. It's the only way he could keep making baseless arguments supported by nothing for 3 days straight. The amount of presumptions this guy makes without any citations is as amazing as his need to use the word "junta" in every single one of his posts.

On March 03 2014 02:38 AleXoundOS wrote:

Where did you read in the quotes above by me or zeo that something justifies a Russian invasion??

It's your imagination and confusing things together.

On March 03 2014 02:43 Ramong wrote:


Never said that you tried to justify an Russian invasion of Crimea.

But Putin asked parliament to approve force "in connection with the extraordinary situation in Ukraine, the threat to the lives of citizens of the Russian Federation, our compatriots" and to protect the Black Sea Fleet in Crimea.

When in fact no one in Crimea was in danger, as I said before and will say again, the only ones in Crimea with weapons are the Russian army

On March 03 2014 02:42 Saryph wrote:


Yeah, I would ignore the whole "junta" thing. I've only seen two users use it here: zeo and zeomx. It's main definition means something other than what zeo is using it for, and the only alternative is something that almost all governments could be labeled as.

On March 03 2014 02:48 Derez wrote:

News 'channels' like RT are broadcasting images from last weeks euromaidan as 'live' images coming from the crimea, and 150k russians have fled crimea according to RU tv. The justification is a completely fabricated story.

The guys taking over the buildings in crimea are suspected to be part of PMC's, the protestors in eastern ukrainian cities are rumored to be bussed in and others are supposedly paid (which is why the protest ended so abruptly in some cities). The russian state together with the russian media (all pretty much under the states control) are creating their own narrative.

On March 03 2014 02:14 AleXoundOS wrote:


But of course it's a stupid position to react with military forces to this. It just shows how weak Russia is being unable to affect the situation without forces.

On March 03 2014 02:50 zeo wrote:
Is it a democratically elected government? No. Did it overthrow a democratically elected government? Yes. Did it use force? Yes. I'm sorry that your media feels differently about what exactly this 'government' running Ukraine is.

On March 03 2014 02:50 zeo wrote:
Hell, the west has stated that the legitimate government of Syria is the rebel one. I don't see them controlling anything. What about Libya? The legitimate government there passed Sharia Law and has barley any control over the tribes in the country.

On March 03 2014 02:56 Sub40APM wrote:

the way...a fascist country might? one party, one putin, one russia!

On March 03 2014 03:02 AleXoundOS wrote:
The thing is that Russian special forces have no idea about how to wage informational war, that successfully works from west.

The UK has pulled out of preparatory talks for the G8 summit because of Russia's build-up of troops in the Ukrainian region of Crimea.

On March 03 2014 03:05 Sub40APM wrote:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-26404584


If UK really wanted to put the screws on Russia, they'd issue a blanket visa ban on Russians and start taking away their property.

On March 03 2014 02:57 craaaaack wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcFnQ6k-q00

This was shown on russian tv yesterday before Putin asked the russian parliament to move forces into Ukraine. Also reported by other russian media + Show Spoiler + and by a french site + Show Spoiler +, I can't watch it right now neither do I understand french... could anyone roughly translate what the french are saying about this?

Basically russian sources are saying that unknown masked people arrived in buses at a government building, started shooting people standing there and on the building itself. "Some" wounded, as well as journalists, but nothing fatal. Shortly after, they went back to their buses and drove away (LOL). Situation under control now by Crimean forces.

Transcript of what the reporter says in the clip:
"[0:00] attack on one of the buildings... journalists also injured but not fatal. [0:06] but this still is another proof that there are forces in Crimea trying to escalate the situation [0:13] but today the situation was brought under control by security forces... Crimean security forces now have full control of the area and other security forces such as the police are now under the full control of Crimean authority [0:33]"

after this it switches to talking about ex members of Berkut joining the russian police and getting russian passports.

I could watch the video again and again it's just SO STAGED. Nothing about it does make sense at all. Like, this is done so badly it could have been to fake russians faking an assault. But it was on russian tv so it's at least not faked by Ukrainians or someone else.

The weapons used by the attackers have been identified as used only by russian military.

Injured people (?) [0:06]-[0:10] on the ground? But no blood or anything? Just taking a nap?
The guy on the left at [0:33]-[0:37] casually walking along as shootings close to him were taking place? Armed guys running around?

How could they just hop on a bus and leave? What... Russian forces have been blocking everything on Crimea for some days already.

On March 03 2014 03:06 darkness wrote:


There are some Russian lecturers at my university in the UK. This move may hurt innocent people.