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Grippe87
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden59 Posts
August 12 2013 18:54 GMT
#181
I smell Drama Llamas...
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
August 12 2013 18:54 GMT
#182
On August 13 2013 03:49 Steel wrote:
When the people involved have used lies and deceit in the past, and have started anew by changing their identity, they have lost their integrity. Words alone cannot confirm the legitimacy of this team, and trust cannot be regained through more words. PMing people and furiously defending yourself while ignoring the real questions at hand, then announcing an announcement while clearly the project has already been set in motion... you're just digging your own grave. With this much inconsistency, only time will tell if Core Gaming plans to be a respectful organization within esports.


close the thread now that this has been said
On August 15 2013 03:43 Waxangel wrote: no amount of money can replace the enjoyment of being mean to people on the internet
Steel
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Japan2283 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-21 19:42:44
August 12 2013 18:56 GMT
#183
On August 13 2013 03:43 Days wrote:
I just want to clarify one thing. Ironsights is infact nanocloud, if you look at their website he has a picture of the supposed Milad with the ironsights nickname. And hey look at that, the same ironsights ferociously defending the team and nano's reputation on forums.... what a coincidence. Its funny how nano always says "he is done with this thread" but believe me, he cares too much about his reputation to not let a single comment in this thread get past him, and he will comment again.

I have a couple of friends on Core gaming, and I really wish you guys the best of luck. But if you want to take a word of advice and actually flourish in the sc2 community, a wise decision would be getting rid of nanocloud/milad /ironsights. You can just see how much drama he has brought on you guys.


Days, aren't you in Core now? Liquipedia says you are. It's such a weird coincidence that most of the Core team is from sMi.
Try another route paperboy.
eLeVaTioN
Profile Joined February 2012
United States97 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-08 20:10:55
August 12 2013 18:58 GMT
#184
On August 13 2013 03:56 Steel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 03:43 Days wrote:
I just want to clarify one thing. Ironsights is infact nanocloud, if you look at their website he has a picture of the supposed Milad with the ironsights nickname. And hey look at that, the same ironsights ferociously defending the team and nano's reputation on forums.... what a coincidence. Its funny how nano always says "he is done with this thread" but believe me, he cares too much about his reputation to not let a single comment in this thread get past him, and he will comment again.

I have a couple of friends on Core gaming, and I really wish you guys the best of luck. But if you want to take a word of advice and actually flourish in the sc2 community, a wise decision would be getting rid of nanocloud/milad/ironsights. You can just see how much drama he has brought on you guys.


Days, aren't you in Core now? Liquipedia says you are. It's such a weird coincidence that most of the Core team is from sMi.


They removed him on their website and he never accepted their offer.
FACKCORE
Profile Joined August 2013
5 Posts
August 12 2013 19:00 GMT
#185
Elevation, these guys are a waste of time for you, their management sucks also from what I heard.
eLeVaTioN
Profile Joined February 2012
United States97 Posts
August 12 2013 19:01 GMT
#186
On August 13 2013 04:00 FACKCORE wrote:
Elevation, these guys are a waste of time for you, their management sucks also from what I heard.


Who are you?
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-12 19:09:40
August 12 2013 19:04 GMT
#187
--- deleted ---
On August 15 2013 03:43 Waxangel wrote: no amount of money can replace the enjoyment of being mean to people on the internet
Grippe87
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden59 Posts
August 12 2013 19:04 GMT
#188
On August 13 2013 04:01 eLeVaTioN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 04:00 FACKCORE wrote:
Elevation, these guys are a waste of time for you, their management sucks also from what I heard.


Who are you?



your alter ego of course
Herro_Korea
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
310 Posts
August 12 2013 19:17 GMT
#189
This thread just shows how much scamming that community endured to go into such lengths to find the truth behind shady organizations.

Holy balls
(-_(-_(-_-)_-)_-)
Nuparu
Profile Joined August 2013
United States11 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-12 19:20:43
August 12 2013 19:17 GMT
#190
On August 13 2013 01:29 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
so much sick drama.

wonder what would happen if we compared nanoclouds ip adress to those of skydie, pea_see, nuparu, tizzcore, et al. ( maybe I missed some but you can see my point )

I'm not Nano lol

Feel free to check, me, Sky, Pea, and Tizz are all legit players.

@elevation: I skipped the drama because I don't know about the drama. I'm just one of the players, one who doesn't do ladder, rather League. We're not a bad community, maybe we're just off on a bad start for the new team...
If everyone were to suck, would that make everyone good?
Grippe87
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden59 Posts
August 12 2013 19:26 GMT
#191
On August 13 2013 04:17 Nuparu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 01:29 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
so much sick drama.

wonder what would happen if we compared nanoclouds ip adress to those of skydie, pea_see, nuparu, tizzcore, et al. ( maybe I missed some but you can see my point )

I'm not Nano lol

Feel free to check, me, Sky, Pea, and Tizz are all legit players.

@elevation: I skipped the drama because I don't know about the drama. I'm just one of the players, one who doesn't do ladder, rather League. We're not a bad community, maybe we're just off on a bad start for the new team...


Lol don't worry he's just salty about our players being poached...

/thread
FACKCORE
Profile Joined August 2013
5 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-12 20:25:46
August 12 2013 20:00 GMT
#192
On August 13 2013 04:01 eLeVaTioN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 04:00 FACKCORE wrote:
Elevation, these guys are a waste of time for you, their management sucks also from what I heard.


Who are you?


Just a friend =) Don't like core, heard lots of bad stuff about them and I mean alot. Their management is crap and so is thier organization and on top of that the leader rages and bm's alot. They shouldn't even be allowed in the pc gaming scene.
DirtyBirD
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States239 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-12 20:14:26
August 12 2013 20:13 GMT
#193
Days is not a part of Core. They only offered him money, gear, and help with his rent. They told him that they wouldn't be able to do any of that until November though. After not agreeing to this, they still put him up on their site and on their liquipedia page. I was also approached by one of the players on Core who mentioned it to me and the only reason I can think of for them to do that is to start crap/drama with me.

Days is still part of sMi and is not associated with Core. The people who left sMi, after joining in the unfortunate events that took place with Anderson, and joined Core are: JonSnow, Sonic, Virium, NanoClouD (or whatever it is he's going by now).

Edit: The conversation that is quoted on here from Days and Rei is Days being upset that they did what they did without him giving them consent.
sMi.DirtyBirD
mdpopescu
Profile Joined April 2011
Romania10 Posts
August 12 2013 20:30 GMT
#194
I'm not a pro gamer (I'm barely an amateur SC2 watcher); I just wanted to say: this was GREAT journalism. Seriously - kudos to the original poster (elevation), that is how investigative journalism is supposed to look.
orangeorange
Profile Joined October 2012
134 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-12 20:50:57
August 12 2013 20:48 GMT
#195
From an outsider's POV, not knowing any of the people involved, it seems the easier explanation for nanocloud isn't that he impersonated this Milad guy (especially given that several people in this thread claim to have met him in real life), but rather that nanocloud is indeed Milad, and that Milad is a compulsive liar/exaggerator in many areas of his life both inside and outside of sc2. If these threads show him to repeatedly to lie, exaggerate, and weasel his way in the sc2 community, it seems reasonable to believe that sc2 isn't the only area of his life where he engages in such behavior. We know he goes to Purdue and was involved in a few clubs, but he could easily lie about his GPA, owning a bunch of companies, being this insanely rich guy, etc.
Grippe87
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden59 Posts
August 12 2013 21:01 GMT
#196
On August 13 2013 05:48 orangeorange wrote:
From an outsider's POV, not knowing any of the people involved, it seems the easier explanation for nanocloud isn't that he impersonated this Milad guy (especially given that several people in this thread claim to have met him in real life), but rather that nanocloud is indeed Milad, and that Milad is a compulsive liar/exaggerator in many areas of his life both inside and outside of sc2. If these threads show him to repeatedly to lie, exaggerate, and weasel his way in the sc2 community, it seems reasonable to believe that sc2 isn't the only area of his life where he engages in such behavior. We know he goes to Purdue and was involved in a few clubs, but he could easily lie about his GPA, owning a bunch of companies, being this insanely rich guy, etc.



QFT, although the irony of this statement is incredible.
MilkySC2
Profile Joined August 2013
1 Post
Last Edited: 2017-05-21 19:40:25
August 12 2013 21:18 GMT
#197
This is how I see it so far, and I'm coming from a very neutral point of view.

1. Justin Baker (aka Neurotic), a prominent figure in the Aeon of Storms community (and potentially rich?), decided to start a gaming team

2. He enlisted the help of some Aeon of Storms players for his management team:
- Tizz (Jules Hill) (of some "Radioactizz Productions", probably just his own venture, serious or not), who made the promotional video using some sort of template
- Gladiator, founder and leader of Clan |AoS| (in Aeon of Storms)
- Ironsights and ThanatoZ, a couple Aeon of Storms players

3. Their first and primary sponsor is one called FundSponge, LLC, whose president Jason TenBarge (aka peaSea) went to Purdue and knew a Milad (aka NanoClouD) from the school's StarCraft club. NanoClouD's YouTube channel is here. Although it would not be difficult to create a YouTube channel ("TheSolarhorizon") and Facebook profile ("solarhorizon") that matches interests (Project HEART, Viva La Dirt League, etc.), even going back a year, I am doubtful someone would have had this planned out for a year and not taken better care of his reputation in the present (if he were in this ordeal to scam somebody).

4. Although there's still no hard evidence that NanoClouD is this Milad person, it is not beyond reason that one can be both ambitious IRL (double major, extracurriculars) and enjoy playing SC2 in one's free time. There are tons of people out there who can maintain Masters level of play with zero practice, and it becomes even easier if one were to maphack or cheese all day (not accusing NanoClouD, just saying).

5. NanoClouD, who has publicly admitted that he helps boost other players' accounts, has irked some of the users here for integrity reasons. He failed in copying and pasting a Skype conversation in text and/or purposely modified the order in which the messages appeared to create a point (source). I would disagree with eLeVaTioN and say that it is possible to have multiple messages with the same timestamp, as long as the messages were indeed typed within a second of each other. You can test this out yourself in Skype by spamming some messages. From my point of view, I am doubtful that he forged the Skype conversations because it seems like too much work for too little reward (of course I would not put it past him). It seems that he has a personal vendetta against other teams (who he may have been involved with in the past) who vice versa have a personal vendetta against NanoClouD as well, so it's hard to gauge the situation when both sides appear biased.

6. Looking outside the box, there's a slim possibility someone is posing as this NanoClouD person and trolling everyone.

7. I suspect a lot of the anonymous people attacking NanoClouD may be involved with the teams that have a personal vendetta against him (LYGF, SCA?), and they are enjoying it very much when others join in and gang up on him without taking into account both sides. They want to ruin his reputation enough that the Core Gaming management feel it's necessary to cut him loose from involvement with the new team, and they will likely continue to sabotage him in any future endeavors involving SC2. Again, I'm not taking any sides, this is just how I perceive it. One of the persons here attacking him (Rickyvalle21) appears to be a maphacker and a ClanEX member (of Combat-Ex fame) who probably enjoys the misery of others.

There's a lot more I can post from some simple research, but I think I just realized I spent too much time on this. Also, orangeorange could be right.
Nuparu
Profile Joined August 2013
United States11 Posts
August 12 2013 21:26 GMT
#198
I will say this once and once only.

The AoS Wiki is completely troll. The maker (AwesomeClock) is also a troll, even looking at his profile page.

His contributors, Analog and Doxthefox, are also trolls. Read their pages if they have any, or look at Analog's version (anal.wikia.org)
If everyone were to suck, would that make everyone good?
chadissilent
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1187 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-21 19:43:02
August 12 2013 21:50 GMT
#199
On August 13 2013 06:18 MilkySC2 wrote:
This is how I see it so far, and I'm coming from a very neutral point of view.

1. Justin Baker (aka Neurotic), a prominent figure in the Aeon of Storms community (and potentially rich?), decided to start a gaming team

2. He enlisted the help of some Aeon of Storms players for his management team:
- Tizz (Jules Hill) (of some "Radioactizz Productions", probably just his own venture, serious or not), who made the promotional video using some sort of template
- Gladiator, founder and leader of Clan |AoS| (in Aeon of Storms)
- Ironsights and ThanatoZ, a couple Aeon of Storms players

3. Their first and primary sponsor is one called FundSponge, LLC, whose president Jason TenBarge (aka peaSea) went to Purdue and knew a Milad (aka NanoClouD) from the school's StarCraft club. NanoClouD's YouTube channel is here. Although it would not be difficult to create a YouTube channel ("TheSolarhorizon") and Facebook profile ("solarhorizon") that matches interests (Project HEART, Viva La Dirt League, etc.), even going back a year, I am doubtful someone would have had this planned out for a year and not taken better care of his reputation in the present (if he were in this ordeal to scam somebody).

4. Although there's still no hard evidence that NanoClouD is this Milad person, it is not beyond reason that one can be both ambitious IRL (double major, extracurriculars) and enjoy playing SC2 in one's free time. There are tons of people out there who can maintain Masters level of play with zero practice, and it becomes even easier if one were to maphack or cheese all day (not accusing NanoClouD, just saying).

5. NanoClouD, who has publicly admitted that he helps boost other players' accounts, has irked some of the users here for integrity reasons. He failed in copying and pasting a Skype conversation in text and/or purposely modified the order in which the messages appeared to create a point (source). I would disagree with eLeVaTioN and say that it is possible to have multiple messages with the same timestamp, as long as the messages were indeed typed within a second of each other. You can test this out yourself in Skype by spamming some messages. From my point of view, I am doubtful that he forged the Skype conversations because it seems like too much work for too little reward (of course I would not put it past him). It seems that he has a personal vendetta against other teams (who he may have been involved with in the past) who vice versa have a personal vendetta against NanoClouD as well, so it's hard to gauge the situation when both sides appear biased.

6. Looking outside the box, there's a slim possibility someone is posing as this NanoClouD person and trolling everyone.

7. I suspect a lot of the anonymous people attacking NanoClouD may be involved with the teams that have a personal vendetta against him (LYGF, SCA?), and they are enjoying it very much when others join in and gang up on him without taking into account both sides. They want to ruin his reputation enough that the Core Gaming management feel it's necessary to cut him loose from involvement with the new team, and they will likely continue to sabotage him in any future endeavors involving SC2. Again, I'm not taking any sides, this is just how I perceive it. One of the persons here attacking him (Rickyvalle21) appears to be a maphacker and a ClanEX member (of Combat-Ex fame) who probably enjoys the misery of others.

There's a lot more I can post from some simple research, but I think I just realized I spent too much time on this. Also, orangeorange could be right.

Great first post.
Muggle
Profile Joined August 2013
5 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-21 21:55:23
August 12 2013 21:59 GMT
#200
On August 13 2013 03:56 Steel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 03:43 Days wrote:
I just want to clarify one thing. Ironsights is infact nanocloud, if you look at their website he has a picture of the supposed Milad with the ironsights nickname. And hey look at that, the same ironsights ferociously defending the team and nano's reputation on forums.... what a coincidence. Its funny how nano always says "he is done with this thread" but believe me, he cares too much about his reputation to not let a single comment in this thread get past him, and he will comment again.

I have a couple of friends on Core gaming, and I really wish you guys the best of luck. But if you want to take a word of advice and actually flourish in the sc2 community, a wise decision would be getting rid of nanocloud/milad /ironsights. You can just see how much drama he has brought on you guys.


Days, aren't you in Core now? Liquipedia says you are. It's such a weird coincidence that most of the Core team is from sMi.



lol even team liquid doesnt like ironsights GG

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