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BrevitySC2
Profile Joined February 2012
3 Posts
July 09 2013 19:55 GMT
#1
Scientific American posted an article on the similarities between the zerg race and cancer. I thought it was cool to see Starcraft used as an analogy to educate people on cancer. The full article is linked below.

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/overthinking-it/2013/07/08/what-starcraft-can-teach-gamers-about-fighting-cancer/
Torvaltz
Profile Joined August 2012
United States188 Posts
July 09 2013 19:57 GMT
#2
That was unexpected, I thought this was going to be a balance or game design whine XD
That's actually a really cool article. Thanks for sharing!
melee is sick
MstrJinbo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1251 Posts
July 09 2013 19:57 GMT
#3
Article looks interesting, but any chance we can get a less inflammatory title?
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8096 Posts
July 09 2013 19:57 GMT
#4
This title....
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-09 19:58:56
July 09 2013 19:58 GMT
#5
On July 10 2013 04:57 Torvaltz wrote:
That was unexpected, I thought this was going to be a balance or game design whine XD
That's actually a really cool article. Thanks for sharing!


I thought the same thing as well rofl. Was getting ready to laugh at it
When I think of something else, something will go here
_SpiRaL_
Profile Joined December 2012
Afghanistan1636 Posts
July 09 2013 20:00 GMT
#6
Terran is the cure for cancer?
Red and yellow are all I see
BrevitySC2
Profile Joined February 2012
3 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-09 20:14:20
July 09 2013 20:01 GMT
#7
Sorry about the title. If it is too inflammatory could a mod please change to "Scientific American on Similarities Between Zerg and Cancer"?
D4V3Z02
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany693 Posts
July 09 2013 20:01 GMT
#8
On July 10 2013 05:00 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
Terran is the cure for cancer?

No they get infected by it.
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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
July 09 2013 20:01 GMT
#9
On July 10 2013 05:00 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
Terran is the cure for cancer?

What it's saying is that hellbats kill zerg, therefore to cure cancer we must set it on fire.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 09 2013 20:02 GMT
#10
On July 10 2013 05:01 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2013 05:00 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
Terran is the cure for cancer?

What it's saying is that hellbats kill zerg, therefore to cure cancer we must set it on fire.

Do the protoss from the original campaign represent chemotherapy when they destroy planets?
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figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
July 09 2013 20:02 GMT
#11
cancer = growth
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msistema
Profile Joined March 2012
8 Posts
July 09 2013 20:02 GMT
#12
i was expecting some qq or a scientific demonstration that playing zerg causes cancer…

Anyway nice read, and it's always good that SC gets some recognition from the "real" world.

thx for posting
vrok
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden2541 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-09 20:05:54
July 09 2013 20:05 GMT
#13
Don't change the title, for the love of Lee Young Ho. It's perfect.
"Starcraft 2 very easy game" - White-Ra
arterian
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1157 Posts
July 09 2013 20:05 GMT
#14
I agree, Zerg is a cancer on this game.
http://www.twitch.tv/arterian
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
July 09 2013 20:05 GMT
#15
lol i was expecting some huge QQ thread but i was welcomed by science.

anyway, interesting read xD
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KaienFEMC
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada127 Posts
July 09 2013 20:07 GMT
#16
On July 10 2013 05:01 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2013 05:00 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
Terran is the cure for cancer?

What it's saying is that hellbats kill zerg, therefore to cure cancer we must set it on fire.


That's Radiotherapy and Chemotherapy for you.
Destroying them the hard way.
Speaking of Radiotherapy... once upon a time, there was Science Vessel and irradiate lolol
Mauzel
Profile Joined December 2009
United States421 Posts
July 09 2013 20:07 GMT
#17
Like cancer, Zerg is the most vulnerable early in the game
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 09 2013 20:09 GMT
#18
On July 10 2013 05:07 Mauzel wrote:
Like cancer, Zerg is the most vulnerable early in the game

Are you saying that proxy 2 rax is good for your health? Or cannon rushing?
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MrMedic
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada452 Posts
July 09 2013 20:09 GMT
#19
Like probably everyone else here I thought this thread would be a whining thread as well.
HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
July 09 2013 20:10 GMT
#20
Lol wow I was thinking we concluded Zerg players were a cancer to the community with that thread that basically had polls indicating Zerg players complained the most about balance. But this is even better, I wonder if the developers were inspired by this.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
July 09 2013 20:11 GMT
#21
Thread title is awesome, article is awesome.

Really captures how in both gameplay and in the philosophy of the Zerg (or whatever mumbo-jumbo Kerrigan is always telling us in cutscenes or the Overmind told us 100000x more awesomely in vanilla SC) are like... the cansker.

I always thought of them as like a radiation leak spewing over everything but that causes cancer too. So, still cancer.
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Kenny_oro
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany368 Posts
July 09 2013 20:12 GMT
#22
This title is actually soooo good! :D Got me here to read what's up - The other suggested one ... nope whouldnt click that.
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tili
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1332 Posts
July 09 2013 20:13 GMT
#23
That is, assuming cancer's macro doesn't slip....
Rinny
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States616 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-09 20:17:42
July 09 2013 20:14 GMT
#24
The author tries to make the case that players using zerg to play matches are learning about cancer, but goes on to support that not by discussing high level multiplayer starcraft, but by taking about single player lore. It seems like the author came up with the idea "Video games are good for you, starcraft fights cancer because you kill zerg, which are like cancer!" then couldn't really come up with anything to support it.

Similarly, a solitary Zerg drone can become a whole hive if left unchecked. The best StarCraft players fight the Zerg like surgeons: If you see a tumor, you have to get it all to survive.


Stupid stuff like this, all the races are capable of rebuilding from a single worker, and i dont know whats surgical about 200 supply of protoss a-moving into a zerg. Very flawed thesis from the author.
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namste
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland2292 Posts
July 09 2013 20:15 GMT
#25
Haha, thought to myself "Oh great one of these shitty threads". Pretty cool stuff that article
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Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
July 09 2013 20:15 GMT
#26
On July 10 2013 04:55 BrevitySC2 wrote:
Scientific American posted an article on the similarities between the zerg race and cancer. I thought it was cool to see Starcraft used as an analogy to educate people on cancer. The full article is linked below.

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/overthinking-it/2013/07/08/what-starcraft-can-teach-gamers-about-fighting-cancer/


L2Play stupid noo-

Oh, nevermind, was going on autopilot there.

Fun read.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
July 09 2013 20:17 GMT
#27
So zerg is cancer..
Protoss must be Scorpio (kudos if you get the reference)
Wonder what terran is..
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
July 09 2013 20:17 GMT
#28
rofl i thought that was hilarious
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MrBrunk
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada428 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-09 20:27:08
July 09 2013 20:19 GMT
#29
You sir, know how to get peoples attention :p

Interesting read.
Marcinko
Profile Joined May 2013
South Africa1014 Posts
July 09 2013 20:19 GMT
#30
I was getting my internet boxing gloves on and bam, not what I thought it would be.

Nice read, thanks for the link.
....
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
July 09 2013 20:19 GMT
#31
On July 10 2013 05:09 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2013 05:07 Mauzel wrote:
Like cancer, Zerg is the most vulnerable early in the game

Are you saying that proxy 2 rax is good for your health? Or cannon rushing?


You could go with the 2rax, but that is such an aggressive procedure it may actually result in higher morbidity and mortality. The 2rax treatment is a gamble. Sometimes it works by nipping the cancer in the butt, but other times it simply causes too much damage to the other tissue, which taxes the body and results in death
Night Eyes
Profile Joined January 2011
433 Posts
July 09 2013 20:21 GMT
#32
This will stay on TL forever and be the place to whine on Zerg for all ages to come and get away with it on the base of saying it was a health discussion.
excellent!
Atlasy
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Hungary229 Posts
July 09 2013 20:22 GMT
#33
On July 10 2013 05:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2013 05:01 Fusilero wrote:
On July 10 2013 05:00 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
Terran is the cure for cancer?

What it's saying is that hellbats kill zerg, therefore to cure cancer we must set it on fire.

Do the protoss from the original campaign represent chemotherapy when they destroy planets?


Well they do kill the overmind by crushing a carrier into it. It's a pity that there is no chance for actual use since the carrier is horrible in sc2 ((
Clazziquai10
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore1949 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-09 20:25:16
July 09 2013 20:23 GMT
#34
That's why cancer needs some AOE damage like radiotherapy, but your cells get splash-damaged as well
Marcinko
Profile Joined May 2013
South Africa1014 Posts
July 09 2013 20:24 GMT
#35
On July 10 2013 05:17 LighT. wrote:
So zerg is cancer..
Protoss must be Scorpio (kudos if you get the reference)
Wonder what terran is..


Probably virgo?
....
i zig zag around you
Profile Joined July 2013
70 Posts
July 09 2013 20:25 GMT
#36
the title is fine, ppl just need to stop complain about everything for the sake of complaining about something. great find!
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
July 09 2013 20:26 GMT
#37
Awaken my child, and embrace the glory that is your birthright. Know that I am the overmind, the eternal will of the swarm, and that you have been created to serve me.

Hm, cancer would indeed be scary.
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
July 09 2013 20:26 GMT
#38
Perfect title, please dont change it.
This is our town, scrub
mechengineer123
Profile Joined March 2013
Ukraine711 Posts
July 09 2013 20:27 GMT
#39
title 10/10
Extenz
Profile Joined October 2011
Italy822 Posts
July 09 2013 20:32 GMT
#40
I like the part where he said you have to keep pressure to win because if you let a zerg macro you lose (yea didn't like the nuclear example but you get the point...)
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16848 Posts
July 09 2013 20:33 GMT
#41
On July 10 2013 05:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2013 05:01 Fusilero wrote:
On July 10 2013 05:00 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
Terran is the cure for cancer?

What it's saying is that hellbats kill zerg, therefore to cure cancer we must set it on fire.

Do the protoss from the original campaign represent chemotherapy when they destroy planets?

god damn it frickin well played!

laughed for a while while feeling bad
The Bomber boy
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
July 09 2013 20:37 GMT
#42
came for the balance whine, stayed for scientific american.
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HardlyNever
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1258 Posts
July 09 2013 20:39 GMT
#43
I sorta had this revelation watching creep spread back in early WoL.
Out there, the Kid learned to fend for himself. Learned to build. Learned to break.
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
July 09 2013 20:43 GMT
#44
Man, people in this community are so cynical. Don't judge a book by its cover, etc.
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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12247 Posts
July 09 2013 20:44 GMT
#45
Thread renamed.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
July 09 2013 20:45 GMT
#46
This is our town, scrub
iNsaNe-
Profile Joined January 2005
Finland5201 Posts
July 09 2013 20:46 GMT
#47
It takes a fool to remain sane.
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
July 09 2013 20:47 GMT
#48
nooooh
ArcticRaven
Profile Joined August 2011
France1406 Posts
July 09 2013 20:48 GMT
#49
That golden moment when the thread changes names right when you click it :D
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trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
July 09 2013 21:00 GMT
#50
so buff hellbats?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 09 2013 21:19 GMT
#51
On July 10 2013 05:44 Teoita wrote:
Thread renamed.

Lame. That's not nearly doesn't mock the community nearly enough.
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a9arnn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1537 Posts
July 09 2013 21:26 GMT
#52
That was a pretty good read :D!
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Dreamer.T
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3584 Posts
July 09 2013 21:28 GMT
#53
I wonder if it says that bad manner causes cancer to grow.
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Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
July 09 2013 21:32 GMT
#54
My children, the hour of our victory is at hand. For upon this world of Aiur Earth shall we incorporate the strongest known species into our fold. Then shall we be the greatest of creation's children. We shall be... perfect.

So. Humanity, the culmination of the universe's quest for purity of form, is infested by the collective entity representing purity of essence.

Shit.
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
NEEDZMOAR
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1277 Posts
July 09 2013 21:36 GMT
#55
I was
expecting some serious banworthy balance whine from op, but this is so much better!
CecilSunkure
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2829 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-09 21:52:02
July 09 2013 21:51 GMT
#56
Clearly the author is unfamiliar with SC2 as they used the term "Zerg rush". Sigh. Fairly interesting otherwise. Just a pretty big buzzkill.
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
July 09 2013 21:55 GMT
#57
On July 10 2013 05:14 Rinny wrote:
The author tries to make the case that players using zerg to play matches are learning about cancer, but goes on to support that not by discussing high level multiplayer starcraft, but by taking about single player lore. It seems like the author came up with the idea "Video games are good for you, starcraft fights cancer because you kill zerg, which are like cancer!" then couldn't really come up with anything to support it.

Show nested quote +
Similarly, a solitary Zerg drone can become a whole hive if left unchecked. The best StarCraft players fight the Zerg like surgeons: If you see a tumor, you have to get it all to survive.


Stupid stuff like this, all the races are capable of rebuilding from a single worker, and i dont know whats surgical about 200 supply of protoss a-moving into a zerg. Very flawed thesis from the author.

Except lore and single player is far more relevant to the vast majority of the population.
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canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-09 21:59:53
July 09 2013 21:55 GMT
#58
I doubt I'll ever say gg when I got swarmed with cancer.
Damn.

Can we say stimpack + medivac is the only way to win against zerg
AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
July 09 2013 22:07 GMT
#59
Surprisingly great article.
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Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium927 Posts
July 09 2013 22:13 GMT
#60
at first I thought playing zerg would give me cancer T.T
TheRealArtemis
Profile Joined October 2011
687 Posts
July 09 2013 22:17 GMT
#61
[image loading]

How dare he call zerg cancer...!!

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tshi
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2495 Posts
July 09 2013 22:17 GMT
#62
This title can be hilariously misleading, lol. didn't expect it -- sorta.
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ffadicted
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3545 Posts
July 09 2013 22:26 GMT
#63
On July 10 2013 05:14 Rinny wrote:
The author tries to make the case that players using zerg to play matches are learning about cancer, but goes on to support that not by discussing high level multiplayer starcraft, but by taking about single player lore. It seems like the author came up with the idea "Video games are good for you, starcraft fights cancer because you kill zerg, which are like cancer!" then couldn't really come up with anything to support it.

Show nested quote +
Similarly, a solitary Zerg drone can become a whole hive if left unchecked. The best StarCraft players fight the Zerg like surgeons: If you see a tumor, you have to get it all to survive.


Stupid stuff like this, all the races are capable of rebuilding from a single worker, and i dont know whats surgical about 200 supply of protoss a-moving into a zerg. Very flawed thesis from the author.


You must be fun at parties lol

Pretty cool article, and the ones it linked to were also fun reads. lmao @ the original title
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Ordained
Profile Joined June 2010
United States779 Posts
July 10 2013 03:19 GMT
#64
Are you telling me some Americans are scientific?
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29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
July 10 2013 03:23 GMT
#65
what was the original title?
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 10 2013 03:27 GMT
#66
On July 10 2013 12:23 29 fps wrote:
what was the original title?

"Zerg = Cancer"
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00higgo
Profile Joined May 2013
Australia119 Posts
July 10 2013 03:32 GMT
#67
On July 10 2013 04:55 BrevitySC2 wrote:
Scientific American posted an article on the similarities between the zerg race and cancer. I thought it was cool to see Starcraft used as an analogy to educate people on cancer. The full article is linked below.

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/overthinking-it/2013/07/08/what-starcraft-can-teach-gamers-about-fighting-cancer/

As someone who has been deeply affected by cancer i find this very offensive and utterly stupid, i undertstand my opinion is not the whole view on this but please dont post such belittling offensive horse shit. If i get banned so be it.

User was temp banned for this post.
Xapti
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2473 Posts
July 10 2013 10:19 GMT
#68
I think it's a ridiculous comparison and was rather surprised to see this on Scientific American's site despite it just being a blog post. Seems like such a silly comparison.

Would have been much better to have an article/blog on the science of Starcraft, although I don't know what's really there—it's more like theory and maybe a bit of math or programming (build order calculators), but I guess that's sort-of science.
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BirdKiller
Profile Joined January 2011
United States428 Posts
July 10 2013 10:25 GMT
#69
Progression of my opinion on this:

*Reads thread title*
"Oh this sounds neat"

*Reads URL link*
"Oh a blog, so not really a published article then"

*Reads Article link*
"So it's more of an article for gamers..."

*Reads author's bio*
"Freelance writer, well that fits the article's authenticity well"
Rassy
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2308 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-10 10:39:55
July 10 2013 10:35 GMT
#70
This has to be one of the worst analogys ever made.
(yes i did read the article, wich was terrible.)
People should not bring their hobby into science or into their work. The result is almost always terrible.
I dont know the scientific american and what sort of paper it is, but articles like this belong into popular science magazines for people from say 12-16
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
July 11 2013 13:10 GMT
#71
On July 10 2013 19:25 BirdKiller wrote:
Progression of my opinion on this:

*Reads thread title*
"Oh this sounds neat"

*Reads URL link*
"Oh a blog, so not really a published article then"

*Reads Article link*
"So it's more of an article for gamers..."

*Reads author's bio*
"Freelance writer, well that fits the article's authenticity well"

Sums up why I'm closing this thread. Plus the lack of effort in the OP.
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