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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
On May 04 2013 03:11 Skullflower wrote: The only thing you need to know is that California is by far the best state in the US Been in LA for a year and I would kill for my job to move back to Washington state. | ||
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
 Having lived in multiple states now, I can say confidently that many states, if not all, have their own unique cultural identities. Some more distinctive than others, some with more subcultures than others. | ||
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Rhino85
United States90 Posts
On May 04 2013 03:11 Skullflower wrote: The only thing you need to know is that California is by far the best state in the US As a native Texan I find this highly offensive  | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
A better question is: do the states in the US carry a national identity? Or, in practical terms, if the US's federalism began going to hell, would certain states seriously consider secession? Which ones? Edit: In Brazil, for example, the people of southern state of Rio Grande do Sul usually demonstrate more state pride than people from other states. Is it valid to say that about, for example, people from Texas? | ||
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
On May 04 2013 03:13 heliusx wrote: Been in LA for a year and I would kill for my job to move back to Washington state. That's what makes California fantastic. If you hate LA, you may very well find that you love another part. San Diego. Perhaps somewhere quiet up north. Somewhere exciting and the the middle, like the Bay Area. Relatively high taxes and tumultuous politics are an issue statewide -- in some areas more than in others -- but that aside there is a great diversity here in which almost anyone might find a place they feel comfortable calling home | ||
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MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
On May 03 2013 20:13 helvete wrote: I've been to the US a couple of times, in different states, and I'd say Hollywood prepared me pretty well for the cultural differences. It is very noticeable, but not extreme. If you're talking about ignorance, try being a swede (I don't identify as a European) talking to someone from the States. Any state. 80% of you think of Europe as some sort of homogenous country, and that's being generous. Ask yourself, how often have you heard someone say "European accent" or something equally absurd? I'm probably equally ignorant about other parts of the world though.. I don't think I've ever met anyone who thinks Europe is homogeneous in anyway other than political ideology. A lot of people think Europe is some socialist hell, but politics isn't culture. For instance, we have pride parades for people of varying descents in Louisiana, how the hell could we think Europe is the same if we celebrate our unique European heritages from various places like Italy, France, Germany, etc. | ||
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silynxer
Germany439 Posts
On May 04 2013 03:10 farvacola wrote: I think approaching the issue from the perspective of identity is far more useful, as it avoids the cultural diversity penis measuring contest that we both clearly consider silly. My point in bringing up the variable gravity of language differences deals in how deceiving having a shared language can be in terms of cultural commonality. I would argue that the differences in cultural perspective between a Swede and a Spainiard and those between a Californian and a Virginian are far more equitable than one might think. Fair enough (actually after finishing the second part of my post I was about to delete the first part but then the post wouldn't have been an answer to yours and so on and so on). Where I'm coming from concerning language boils down to the question of how important popular culture is in the grant scheme. Two random Americans will probably have a greater set of shared elements of popular culture (TV shows, music etc.) than a random Spaniard and a Swede and what the latter share is probably American (leading to the paradox situation where the Swede and the American likely have more common popculture than Swede and Spaniard). I do agree that we shouldn't overvalue this observation but can we really conclude that popculture is not all that important in forming the cultural perspective? (serious question, I haven't completely formed my opinion but I'm posting slow enough as it is) Btw when I'm talking about cultural differences what I'm mostly interested in are abstract things like ambitions, aspirations, dreams etc. What constitutes a successful life for someone? Unfortunately I don't even know enough about Germans to comment on these points. One of the more interesting cultural features that is relatively well quantifiable is how we deal with time. On this topic I recommend A Geography of Time by Robert Levine (not the most comprehensive book in the world but a good primer). | ||
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Acertos
France852 Posts
In Europe each country has a really really strong identity because they are rly old and have been going at war since their creation. In every country of Europe you have dozens of local and old languages (that are dying). Every country of Europe has it's own food and it's own variation for each region. Now with the globalisation and the expansion of liberalism since the XXth sigle, a global model has grown and is still growing. There are malls and cities grow in length instead of height in Europe but even then it's not like that in all of the countries. Now in the US, the food is essentially the same for everybody with steak, sandwiches, raw vegetables, fries and other awful shit. While near the coast, you can have fresh fish. The language is English for everybody. Same educationnal system or at least viability of diplomas in every states etc... The only big differencies of culture, I've seen in the US are because of the mexicans / former mexicans coming with their own culture but still they are everywhere in the country and they tend to adopt the global american culture. | ||
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HULKAMANIA
United States1219 Posts
On May 04 2013 05:12 Acertos wrote: People are misunderstanding alot in this thread. Ofc each city is different from one another, each states is different but it's nowhere near comparable to what happens in Europe. In Europe each country has a really really strong identity because they are rly old and have been going at war since their creation. In every country of Europe you have dozens of local and old languages (that are dying). Every country of Europe has it's own food and it's own variation for each region. Now with the globalisation and the expansion of liberalism since the XXth sigle, a global model has grown and is still growing. There are malls and cities grow in length instead of height in Europe but even then it's not like that in all of the countries. Now in the US, the food is essentially the same for everybody with steak, sandwiches, raw vegetables, fries and other awful shit. While near the coast, you can have fresh fish. The language is English for everybody. Same educationnal system or at least viability of diplomas in every states etc... The only big differencies of culture, I've seen in the US are because of the mexicans / former mexicans coming with their own culture but still they are everywhere in the country and they tend to adopt the global american culture. Think about what you're saying, Einstein. If Europe has longstanding, diverse cultures, America has longstanding diverse cultures. What? Do you think we all came from the same spot in Europe? Do you think we magically homogenized upon arrival? | ||
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Acertos
France852 Posts
On May 04 2013 05:19 HULKAMANIA wrote: Think about what you're saying, Einstein. If Europe has longstanding, diverse cultures, America has longstanding diverse cultures. What? Do you think we all came from the same spot in Europe? Do you think we magically homogenized upon arrival? Well yes in 500 hundred the american society homogenized so much it became a model for the world. If the US citizens had not really homogenized it would be different countries like Canada and the US. In the case of the states every culture was basically mixed together because a model was well thought and put in place everywhere and that is much less the case in Europe. | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
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Ventris
Germany1226 Posts
On May 04 2013 05:35 DannyJ wrote: Maybe I've missed some posts, but why are Europeans comparing it to Europe in the first place? I asked myself the same and i am European... | ||
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Acertos
France852 Posts
On May 04 2013 05:35 DannyJ wrote: Maybe I've missed some posts, but why are Europeans comparing it to Europe in the first place, as if that was somehow what the OP was about? Because "different culture" is controversial. For some each state in the US has it's own culture (I think that personally), for others there is not enough of a difference so Europeans countries are taken as examples. | ||
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Blargh
United States2103 Posts
But, the difference between two American states is not nearly as large as the difference between America (as a whole) and any European country. Also, like Micronesia said earlier, culture is not that bound by states. General regions separate the culture more than state boundaries. I can definitely confirm though, having lived in Texas, California, and Virginia, that every state has its own culture. Texas and California are pretty different. Also, the best state in the United States is Maine. It is very peaceful there. Just fyi. It's not California and it's definitely not Texas ^_^. | ||
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SCkad
Scotland97 Posts
On May 04 2013 05:19 HULKAMANIA wrote: Think about what you're saying, Einstein. If Europe has longstanding, diverse cultures, America has longstanding diverse cultures. What? Do you think we all came from the same spot in Europe? Do you think we magically homogenized upon arrival? Do me a favor ok, imagine each country of europe is a different colour, Britain could be red and Germany yellow and france blue, though each country is different they may be a mixture of colours. now realise that because as your saying not everyone in america is from the same place, you have little splashes of colour all over the place that over the last few hundred years have gradually merged together. as a result you are many different colours but all tending towards brown, however you want to put it purplely brown and dark chocolate brown are much less diffrent than red and yellow | ||
white_horse
1019 Posts
On May 04 2013 05:35 DannyJ wrote: Maybe I've missed some posts, but why are Europeans comparing it to Europe in the first place, as if that was somehow what the OP was about? Agreed. It's just an opportunity for some europeans here on TL to flame the US whenever they get the chance. I think most Americans identify themselves as "americans" through common american themes and cultural identities (football, baseball, thanksgiving, constitution, american-style liberty, american dream ideals, etc. and then identify with their own state subcultures at the same time. Also, I think it is important to understand that states have varying levels of state "patriotism" or loyalty. For example, people in my state aren't huge about state pride, while there are big ones like texas where people are very outspoken about being proud of their state. | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
On May 04 2013 05:38 Acertos wrote: Because "different culture" is controversial. For some each state in the US has it's own culture (I think that personally), for others there is not enough of a difference so Europeans countries are taken as examples. Next time someone mentions Europe is culturally diverse I'll make sure to go out of my way and mention the conitnents are far more culturally diverse, as if people needed to hear that  . | ||
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FeUerFlieGe
United States1193 Posts
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TheFish7
United States2824 Posts
On May 04 2013 05:12 Acertos wrote: Now in the US, the food is essentially the same for everybody with steak, sandwiches, raw vegetables, fries and other awful shit. While near the coast, you can have fresh fish. I never understood why you French folks want to ruin perfectly good vegetables by cooking them. On May 04 2013 03:11 Skullflower wrote: The only thing you need to know is that California is by far the best state in the US Nooo! All my friends who have moved to Cali have never come back! Stop stealing them away from me! | ||
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Influ
Germany780 Posts
On May 04 2013 05:35 DannyJ wrote: Maybe I've missed some posts, but why are Europeans comparing it to Europe in the first place, as if that was somehow what the OP was about? It's about an argument with a briton so obviously it's a comparison to europe. | ||
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