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On March 02 2013 12:50 iLoveKT wrote:
Really off-topic but, jesus christ, the comments on that gamespot article are almost youtube-level.
Im not really familiar with IPL thing but if the previous ones were not profittable or just broke even why do they still hold it in Vegas?
2 things probably...
1: They had a deal with The Cosmo to have a few shows there.
2: You can drink anywhere at anytime in Vegas  So it makes for a fun experience at the tournaments.
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On March 02 2013 12:50 iLoveKT wrote:
Really off-topic but, jesus christ, the comments on that gamespot article are almost youtube-level.
Im not really familiar with IPL thing but if the previous ones were not profittable or just broke even why do they still hold it in Vegas?
Never look at the comments on a article about esports on a site that is not dedicated to it.
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So one of the less well run tournaments in an oversaturated market is failing. I fail to see what the news is here. SC2 is going to be better for this.
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On March 02 2013 13:38 Cainam wrote:
So one of the less well run tournaments in an oversaturated market is failing. I fail to see what the news is here. SC2 is going to be better for this.
IPL was pretty damn prestigious
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On March 02 2013 12:46 Badboyrune wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 12:19 Albinoswordfish wrote:
This looks pretty grim for IPL6 happening. This is gonna really take a hit on IPLs worth if a major event ends up being canceled at the last minute. Hopefully IPL doesn't have to shutdown altogether and only has to scale down. The fact that they're being shopped around means the owners of IGN/IPL definitely don't want this event to happen. I'm not sure if this is best way to go about it though, since your trying to sell IPL forcing the organization to cancel a major event without much notice will only plunge IPL into a hole that it might not recover from.
I really hope IPL isn't dead. If they do end up cancelling I'd say IPL is pretty much dead. I can't see any organizations being very keen on sending their players to an tournament organizer who has completely cancelled an event with such short notice. At best organizations would be very hesitant of sending their players, at worst they would straight up boycott them. Lot of time, money and effort has probably gone into the planning of the event for the teams, all of which would go down the drain with very short notice. Same goes for viewers. There's probably quite few people who already set plans for the event. Booked flights, hotels, rescheduled things and all that sort of stuff that goes into attending an event. All of it for nothing, some of it probably not refundable. So if they do end up cancelling they can hardly expect any support from teams or viewers if they choose to organize another event. I'd be very surprised if the IPL management thought anything else. I'm pretty sure they realize that cancelling the event at this point is the death of IPL, regardless of whether they run another event or not.
what do you expect them to do? ign is having serious reorgiization and is trying to get rid of ipl, no reason for them to support something there trying to get rid off cause it keeps losing them money. and with no financial support i dont see how ipl is expected to put the event on.yes it sucks but its really the only option they had.
also no one holds it against quantic that they had to temporarily disband because of money problems. also most likely the players probably knew this was probably going to happen ahead of time and ipl was waiting till the last minute thinking they might get a miracle.
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On March 02 2013 13:40 opterown wrote:
IPL was pretty damn prestigious
For some reason people have incredibly short memories. Let's ignore the fact that IPL5 was one of the best events Starcraft 2 has ever seen, probably THE best event in the US. Let's also ignore how successful a model fightclub and IPTL are and how much of a downer to the scene it would be without them. Why? Because then we can sound smart and claim natural selection and an understanding of the how business works even though we've never participated in it in any capacity! That's the internet in a nutshell.
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On March 02 2013 13:38 Cainam wrote:
So one of the less well run tournaments in an oversaturated market is failing. I fail to see what the news is here. SC2 is going to be better for this.
I can't believe you said this and were serious about it. IPL5 for example was imo one of the best tournaments with the production and everything. IPTL is awesome as well and honestly I feel like IPL events are better then MLG events to be blunt.
This is in no way a good thing at all -_-.
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On March 02 2013 14:09 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 13:38 Cainam wrote:
So one of the less well run tournaments in an oversaturated market is failing. I fail to see what the news is here. SC2 is going to be better for this. I can't believe you said this and were serious about it. IPL5 for example was imo one of the best tournaments with the production and everything. IPTL is awesome as well and honestly I feel like IPL events are better then MLG events to be blunt. This is in no way a good thing at all -_-.
agreed, and now there wont be a major open sign up tournament or qualifiers for along time....
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On March 02 2013 13:41 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 12:46 Badboyrune wrote:On March 02 2013 12:19 Albinoswordfish wrote:
This looks pretty grim for IPL6 happening. This is gonna really take a hit on IPLs worth if a major event ends up being canceled at the last minute. Hopefully IPL doesn't have to shutdown altogether and only has to scale down. The fact that they're being shopped around means the owners of IGN/IPL definitely don't want this event to happen. I'm not sure if this is best way to go about it though, since your trying to sell IPL forcing the organization to cancel a major event without much notice will only plunge IPL into a hole that it might not recover from.
I really hope IPL isn't dead. If they do end up cancelling I'd say IPL is pretty much dead. I can't see any organizations being very keen on sending their players to an tournament organizer who has completely cancelled an event with such short notice. At best organizations would be very hesitant of sending their players, at worst they would straight up boycott them. Lot of time, money and effort has probably gone into the planning of the event for the teams, all of which would go down the drain with very short notice. Same goes for viewers. There's probably quite few people who already set plans for the event. Booked flights, hotels, rescheduled things and all that sort of stuff that goes into attending an event. All of it for nothing, some of it probably not refundable. So if they do end up cancelling they can hardly expect any support from teams or viewers if they choose to organize another event. I'd be very surprised if the IPL management thought anything else. I'm pretty sure they realize that cancelling the event at this point is the death of IPL, regardless of whether they run another event or not. what do you expect them to do? ign is having serious reorgiization and is trying to get rid of ipl, no reason for them to support something there trying to get rid off cause it keeps losing them money. and with no financial support i dont see how ipl is expected to put the event on.yes it sucks but its really the only option they had. also no one holds it against quantic that they had to temporarily disband because of money problems. also most likely the players probably knew this was probably going to happen ahead of time and ipl was waiting till the last minute thinking they might get a miracle.
I'm sure they are doing their best and that the people at IPL couldn't have done much to deal with this. That still doesn't change what seems to be happening, which is going to leave a huge black mark on the brand. Them trying hard and doing their best and having the best of intentions doesn't change that. They still tried to put on a huge event that involved a lot of people, and seemingly failed to do so. Even if the people at IPL couldn't have done anything to change it it was still their tournament, their responsibility and thus people are going to hold them accountable.
And as far as comparing this to Quantic there are a few things worth pointing out. The first one is scale. While I'm sure Quantic temporarily disbanding involved quite a few people and caused those people quite a headache I'm willing to bet that it effected far less people than this. This directly involves multiple teams, many players as well as many fans. You also say that no one holds what happened against Quantic, but I'd honestly be surprised if most players who are in a position to sign with them did not think twice about it due to their financial history.
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On March 02 2013 14:06 TotalBiscuit wrote:For some reason people have incredibly short memories. Let's ignore the fact that IPL5 was one of the best events Starcraft 2 has ever seen, probably THE best event in the US. Let's also ignore how successful a model fightclub and IPTL are and how much of a downer to the scene it would be without them. Why? Because then we can sound smart and claim natural selection and an understanding of the how business works even though we've never participated in it in any capacity! That's the internet in a nutshell.
Earlier in the thread I quoted Adam Savage and Socrates about how they where useless until they realized they knew nothing. The Internet and TL needs a healthy dose of that.
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On March 02 2013 14:26 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 14:06 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 02 2013 13:40 opterown wrote:
IPL was pretty damn prestigious For some reason people have incredibly short memories. Let's ignore the fact that IPL5 was one of the best events Starcraft 2 has ever seen, probably THE best event in the US. Let's also ignore how successful a model fightclub and IPTL are and how much of a downer to the scene it would be without them. Why? Because then we can sound smart and claim natural selection and an understanding of the how business works even though we've never participated in it in any capacity! That's the internet in a nutshell. Earlier in the thread I quoted Adam Savage and Socrates about how they where useless until they realized they knew nothing. The Internet and TL needs a healthy dose of that.
Yes, people should know better than to talk like they know everything, because it really annoys those of us who actually does.
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On March 02 2013 13:38 Cainam wrote:
So one of the less well run tournaments in an oversaturated market is failing. I fail to see what the news is here. SC2 is going to be better for this.
Except for the fact that a lot of teams and players are out a ton of money. Flight cancellation fees (if you're lucky, otherwise a wasted flight), hotel cancellation fees, other travel arrangements, etc. It adds up pretty quick.
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On March 02 2013 14:06 TotalBiscuit wrote:For some reason people have incredibly short memories. Let's ignore the fact that IPL5 was one of the best events Starcraft 2 has ever seen, probably THE best event in the US. Let's also ignore how successful a model fightclub and IPTL are and how much of a downer to the scene it would be without them. Why? Because then we can sound smart and claim natural selection and an understanding of the how business works even though we've never participated in it in any capacity! That's the internet in a nutshell.
I think you're giving the internet too much credit. I believe the internet really might be that old experiment about the 1000 monkeys locked in a room with 1000 typewriters.
Except with more monkeys, better typewriters, and no lights, water, or food. But occasionally, an orangutan is thrown in for fun.
I mean, IPL as a league had problems at some of their events. But they had damn good events, their online content is pretty decent (and runs damn near 24/7 so there's always something to watch and ad revenue), and they have a good partnership with Gom AND OGN. They were turning a corner and accelerating.
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this is bad....it has to be! not a good year for esports so far =/....I was expecting NASL to be doing this after their 1st 2 season was a bit lack luster... and plus with a new expansion coming out you would think it would get people more amped about it even though It was Wings. the tourney season is about to start and this happens... not good
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After Ziff' Davis announcement, I did not think it was this bad. I enjoy watching the IPL's on twitch. Robin said in chat it was too expensive to drive to work and to use transit. I feel this is all true and GG for one of my favorite streams and lineups.
Edit: I was hoping IGNproleague would hit 100M viewers on twitch
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On March 02 2013 14:12 KiF1rE wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 14:09 blade55555 wrote:On March 02 2013 13:38 Cainam wrote:
So one of the less well run tournaments in an oversaturated market is failing. I fail to see what the news is here. SC2 is going to be better for this. I can't believe you said this and were serious about it. IPL5 for example was imo one of the best tournaments with the production and everything. IPTL is awesome as well and honestly I feel like IPL events are better then MLG events to be blunt. This is in no way a good thing at all -_-. agreed, and now there wont be a major open sign up tournament or qualifiers for along time....
You know how some people write up and angry email without sending it, just to vent? I've done that a dozen things from just the last 3 pages.. I feel like the forum should have posting requirements of taking half a dozen business classes, because of the amount of stupidity and lack of understanding people have of anything, but insist on talking as if they're experts. I'm in my 3rd year of college for accounting, no experience mind you, so I'm a complete noob, but I still understand a lot more than a lot of people that post nonesense in these money-related discussions
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On March 02 2013 13:38 Cainam wrote:
So one of the less well run tournaments in an oversaturated market is failing. I fail to see what the news is here. SC2 is going to be better for this.
IPL is top three NA, and is a great one.
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IPL5 was great; it will be a shame if the tournament falls by the wayside.
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I'm surprised we didn't see an announcement from IPL today. The cat is kinda out of the bag so I'm not really sure why they would delay it any longer?
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