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UPro-BW
Profile Joined September 2012
81 Posts
February 05 2013 08:49 GMT
#41
On February 05 2013 10:41 Musiq wrote:
I would actually want a patch that would make scouts cheaper, make ghosts an actual academy unit (covert ops for nuke only) and make queens more useful.

THIS(almost). In addition to that, how about removing the research constraint for lockdown and ensnare,
and buffing the dark archon someway to compensate for that changes might be good.

TvZ: better queens might provide better late game for zerg against mech
TvT: possible bio TvT fork?
ZvP: something must be done about zerg allins and scout isn't the answer imo
TvP: ghosts with earlier availability and lockdown might be useful for soft countering protoss allins and carriers/arbiters supremacy.
ZvZ : how about giving queens a spell that soft counter mutas?

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iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1716 Posts
February 05 2013 08:59 GMT
#42
On February 05 2013 17:40 Sayle wrote:
I can't believe so many people are taking a Jumper thread seriously. I do like the sound of 128 damage storm though ^_^


Yes it has been nerf because it would kill lurker in one time.
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Fuchsteufelswild
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2028 Posts
February 05 2013 09:02 GMT
#43
I think when you look at it at a glance, it's not too much worse. Key points for me are:
1 - You have listed that patch as having: zealots: Shields decreased to 60 and hit points increased to 100.
That's what they are now, you meant to list what they were before, right?
2 - Storm would have been too strong by one shotting lurkers and mutalisks, I think
3 - Queen was already unpopular (bless ZerO for making my dreams come true) so them being even less useful is of course bad for variety of gameplay
4 onwards (ㅋㅋㅋ never mind the numbers) - Sunken colony, Hydra/lurker and spawning pool changes were good ones, I think.

Other than that, not too bad, but it's not going to happen and those specific changes would probably ruin the balance. Whatever good the other changes could make (and that's supposing they actually would be good), it would not compensate for the key changes that would break the game (in my opinion).
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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
February 05 2013 09:20 GMT
#44
On February 05 2013 17:40 Sayle wrote:
I can't believe so many people are taking a Jumper thread seriously. I do like the sound of 128 damage storm though ^_^


Yeah, this is weird. Why are people arguing like "OMG NO WE SHOULDN'T DO THIS".

+ Show Spoiler +


Especially when it's obvious that we should.[image loading]

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NotJumperer
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States1371 Posts
February 05 2013 09:48 GMT
#45
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thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5500 Posts
February 05 2013 10:03 GMT
#46
On February 05 2013 16:18 thezanursic wrote:
The answer is NO.

BW in my opinion only warrants a couple of changes

Ghosts being cheaper, having slightly more health and 25 more starting energy

Dark archons having 1 more range on MC and Feedback or making maelstorm more powerful + 50 more shields or 1+ armor

Queens having 25 to 50 more starting energy (To reduce the waiting time for broodlings)

+ Show Spoiler +

Ohh and being totally biased reducing the build time of cannons or increasing the build time of bunkers because its just BS as it is, haha

Adding on top of this I got another idea.

Would giving spores 2x or 3x damage versus bio air (Essentially only zerg units) make anything other than muta ling viable and how would this change affect ZvZ?
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
February 05 2013 10:20 GMT
#47
On February 05 2013 19:03 thezanursic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2013 16:18 thezanursic wrote:
The answer is NO.

BW in my opinion only warrants a couple of changes

Ghosts being cheaper, having slightly more health and 25 more starting energy

Dark archons having 1 more range on MC and Feedback or making maelstorm more powerful + 50 more shields or 1+ armor

Queens having 25 to 50 more starting energy (To reduce the waiting time for broodlings)

+ Show Spoiler +

Ohh and being totally biased reducing the build time of cannons or increasing the build time of bunkers because its just BS as it is, haha

Adding on top of this I got another idea.

Would giving spores 2x or 3x damage versus bio air (Essentially only zerg units) make anything other than muta ling viable and how would this change affect ZvZ?

Stop wanting to change ZvZ, it's a fine match up... -_-
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CoL_DarkstaR
Profile Joined January 2009
Germany649 Posts
February 05 2013 10:28 GMT
#48
Yeah right, complain about BW's balance. LOL, what is this?

People stop talking and play the actual game. It's the most well balanced game ever. And it is that for a reason. I couldn't imagine modern starcraft with 1.07. :D Protoss would just be hilarious...
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19359 Posts
February 05 2013 11:04 GMT
#49
On February 05 2013 18:48 Jumperer wrote:
For those who wants to know why KESPA stopped BW and went to SC2. It wasn't because of savior and matchfixing, it also wasn't because of SC2. It was because patch 1.08+ caused so much imbalance within the game that the OGN mapcreators couldn't come up with another balance map for this broken game. So they figured that it was simply easier to just switch to sc2.

If blizzard stays with 1.07. Starcraft would still be alive today. Bisu would also have 90% PvZ winnrate and 3 more OSL titles. Bisu only having 70%ish winrate further shows how imbalance the matchup is. You think that fool of a took named shine would beat bisu when storm do the damage it's supposed to do?

this game demonstrated my point.
. Look at this, if it was played under patch 1.07. Bisu would've won because dragoons would come out quicker and it would kill all the hydras.

even stork said in an interview that zerg is imba against protoss. he suggests quicker archon build time and 128 storm to compensate. IN CONCLUSION, STORK SUPPORTS THE PATCH 1.07 MOVEMENT.

anyone who disagrees with this post and thread is killing esports and is a esport terrorist.

This is border line offensive. But jumperer did raise some valid points wink wink
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Berceno
Profile Joined May 2012
Spain401 Posts
February 05 2013 12:09 GMT
#50
I would kill for a 128 damage storm, I hate lurkers!! I'm with jumperer its a shame that bisu only had 70% winrate pvz , he never was a bonjwa because he played protoss. come on even stork said it, the veteran.

protoss living in da ghetto
fazek42
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Hungary438 Posts
February 05 2013 12:47 GMT
#51
This thread is not even worth commenting... Wait, what did I just do? Seriously though, what was the OP even thinking? This is bad trolling.
sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-05 13:21:55
February 05 2013 13:16 GMT
#52
On February 05 2013 18:48 Jumperer wrote:
For those who wants to know why KESPA stopped BW and went to SC2. It wasn't because of savior and matchfixing, it also wasn't because of SC2. It was because patch 1.08+ caused so much imbalance within the game that the OGN mapcreators couldn't come up with another balance map for this broken game. So they figured that it was simply easier to just switch to sc2.

If blizzard stays with 1.07. Starcraft would still be alive today. Bisu would also have 90% PvZ winnrate and 3 more OSL titles. Bisu only having 70%ish winrate further shows how imbalance the matchup is. You think that fool of a took named shine would beat bisu when storm do the damage it's supposed to do?

this game demonstrated my point. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JJ9w9zcozjU. Look at this, if it was played under patch 1.07. Bisu would've won because dragoons would come out quicker and it would kill all the hydras.

even stork said in an interview that zerg is imba against protoss. he suggests quicker archon build time and 128 storm to compensate. IN CONCLUSION, STORK SUPPORTS THE PATCH 1.07 MOVEMENT.

anyone who disagrees with this post and thread is killing esports and is a esport terrorist.

never really thought of it that way,

its a strange thought that bw needs a patch, but i am curius how this would effect the gameplay of bw.

but don't impliment some rediculse stuff like 150 pool
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
IceCube
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Croatia1403 Posts
February 05 2013 13:33 GMT
#53
Taking serious this is like eating a piece of troll right off the live troll

Just saying
Forever Vulture.. :(
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-05 13:56:55
February 05 2013 13:55 GMT
#54
Im not a broodwar player but wouldnt the 150 mineral spawning pool more or less break the game? I mean... yea.
o, I get it now haha
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PiPaPoh
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
121 Posts
February 05 2013 14:06 GMT
#55
Such a legendary topic Folks
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
February 05 2013 14:18 GMT
#56
With all the kinds of weird community semi-serious semi-epic events that we've seen, I have no doubt in my mind that an organized 1.07 BW tournament would fare very well.
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
February 05 2013 14:38 GMT
#57
On February 05 2013 21:09 Berceno wrote:
I would kill for a 128 damage storm, I hate lurkers!! I'm with jumperer its a shame that bisu only had 70% winrate pvz , he never was a bonjwa because he played protoss. come on even stork said it, the veteran.



128 damage Storm would just murder Lurkers but then balancing that unit would be ridiculous.
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Sum41
Profile Joined November 2011
Chile345 Posts
February 05 2013 17:00 GMT
#58
i say that you know nothing
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
February 05 2013 17:32 GMT
#59
On February 05 2013 17:49 UPro-BW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2013 10:41 Musiq wrote:
I would actually want a patch that would make scouts cheaper, make ghosts an actual academy unit (covert ops for nuke only) and make queens more useful.

THIS(almost). In addition to that, how about removing the research constraint for lockdown and ensnare,
and buffing the dark archon someway to compensate for that changes might be good.

TvZ: better queens might provide better late game for zerg against mech
TvT: possible bio TvT fork?
ZvP: something must be done about zerg allins and scout isn't the answer imo
TvP: ghosts with earlier availability and lockdown might be useful for soft countering protoss allins and carriers/arbiters supremacy.
ZvZ : how about giving queens a spell that soft counter mutas?


you mean ensnare?
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Marti
Profile Joined August 2011
552 Posts
February 05 2013 17:57 GMT
#60
On February 05 2013 18:48 Jumperer wrote:
For those who wants to know why KESPA stopped BW and went to SC2. It wasn't because of savior and matchfixing, it also wasn't because of SC2. It was because patch 1.08+ caused so much imbalance within the game that the OGN mapcreators couldn't come up with another balance map for this broken game. So they figured that it was simply easier to just switch to sc2.

If blizzard stays with 1.07. Starcraft would still be alive today. Bisu would also have 90% PvZ winnrate and 3 more OSL titles. Bisu only having 70%ish winrate further shows how imbalance the matchup is. You think that fool of a took named shine would beat bisu when storm do the damage it's supposed to do?

this game demonstrated my point. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JJ9w9zcozjU. Look at this, if it was played under patch 1.07. Bisu would've won because dragoons would come out quicker and it would kill all the hydras.

even stork said in an interview that zerg is imba against protoss. he suggests quicker archon build time and 128 storm to compensate. IN CONCLUSION, STORK SUPPORTS THE PATCH 1.07 MOVEMENT.

anyone who disagrees with this post and thread is killing esports and is a esport terrorist.

I am offended by your post and will put an esport jihad on you if you don't apologize
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