is BW 1.07 patch more balanced than current patch?

On February 05 2013 10:40 writer22816 wrote:
What makes you think that Flash completely broke the matchup right before PL ended? I'm not saying I disagree with you but I'd love to hear your reasoning on this backed up with concrete examples.

On February 05 2013 11:55 GhostOwl wrote:
I totally agree with OP. There was a reason why BW was very T dominated and the last best BW player was Terran.

On February 05 2013 12:04 xxpack09 wrote:


I didn't know Jangbi played terran

On February 05 2013 11:55 GhostOwl wrote:
I totally agree with OP. There was a reason why BW was very T dominated and the last best BW player was Terran. I think more drastic changes are needed, such as raising supply of Tanks to 3 to make 200/200 metal deathball less deadly, and medics cost more gas with vulture coming with 1 free mine so TvZ isnt so T favored.

I dont agree with 150 mineral pool however. PvZ's main problem was P's inability to scout early game, and Z's muta control picking off HT's, TvP problems were (slightly) carriers on (some)maps, and TvZ's problems were just about everything.

Too bad Blizz will not revert. Wont happen. BW wasnt so balanced because back in the old beta days /patch days of BW, Blizzard didnt have a big active community of fans giving feedback about balance and neither did they have a strong tournament scene in early days so it just happened to be balanced like that.

On February 05 2013 12:43 arb wrote:

my soul.. 3 supply tanks means terran will never win tvp rofl.

The 1.07 patch makes it a protoss favored matchup. more storm damage and quicker goon seals the deal. Although zealots do die quicker and less carriers do help terran just a little bit. Turrets at 100 makes dt and reaver drop more effective.

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REVERSE BACK TO 1.07 BLIZZARD.

On February 05 2013 12:49 GhostOwl wrote:


No it doesn't. It just means that Terran can't get a massive mech army, siege up, and completely melt the entire Protoss army in a few seconds while laughing at the futile P attempts to bring it down by storm, stasis, zealot bomb, etc. Now you actually have to actively EMP and take more caution spreading tanks. 3 supply tanks should have been implemented(same supply as vulture/zealot? what was Blizzard thinking)

On February 05 2013 14:01 Zombo Joe wrote:
TvP is very Protoss favored. I don't see the logic behind nerfing terran.

Perhaps there is none?

On February 05 2013 15:01 IntoTheheart wrote:
Let's just put it this way: I would've won two more PvTs in recent memory with this patch but still have lost every game vZ.

A 3-supply tank in the midgame would make pushing out much more dangerous right? And in the one PvT I lost, in particular their mech play was pretty good and crushed me but if they had noticeably fewer tanks that would've been reversed. I like it the way it is because all the maps are made for THIS patch. We wouldn't play SC Vanilla maps in an official OSL right? A lot of stuff just wouldn't be balanced with our current knowledge of the game (On a lot of those if Zerg just 4pools the game ends, we'd see a lot fewer gas-intensive builds meaning M&M v Z, etc etc).

On February 05 2013 12:19 GhostOwl wrote:


Winning one last tournament doesnt mean much, especially when people were switching over to SC2 and neglecting BW practice. Korean fans and foreign fans both agree Flash was the last bonjwa

On February 05 2013 16:33 iFU.pauline wrote:
I was playing at this time so I can tell you about my frustration when I saw pool 200, zerg was supposed to be this ultra fast race that can move quickly and rush, now we are the race that get the most proxy. How many times did you die from a rush bunker or 9gate? Pool9 is so easily deny and frankly it delays you too much in the middle game to do this as a standard build.

Ppl complaining about pool4? pool4 didn't guarantee you a win, at this time it was op on 3v3 hunters and that's the reason why they changed it. Note that most of gamers were playing hunters.

I don't have a problem with terran even though i believe they should have put irradiete at 100 and not 75 but zerg shouldn't be nerf the way it has been. Look at the domination after 1.08 came out... Boxer, Nada, Sync, Xellos, iloveoov. those are all terran man. Only when stack muta came out you started to see some zerg doing good but it's still too weak in my opinion. If you see so many zerg foreigner in TLS it's easy, most of foreigners are just lazy fuck seeking a win making photon and time pushing which you can easily do with protoss and terran, that's why at a certain lvl they are just too bad to qualify because they have 2 build order in their pocket, prove me wrong on that :/

On February 05 2013 10:41 Musiq wrote:
I would actually want a patch that would make scouts cheaper, make ghosts an actual academy unit (covert ops for nuke only) and make queens more useful.

On February 05 2013 17:40 Sayle wrote:
I can't believe so many people are taking a Jumper thread seriously. I do like the sound of 128 damage storm though ^_^

On February 05 2013 16:18 thezanursic wrote:
The answer is NO.

BW in my opinion only warrants a couple of changes

Ghosts being cheaper, having slightly more health and 25 more starting energy

Dark archons having 1 more range on MC and Feedback or making maelstorm more powerful + 50 more shields or 1+ armor

Queens having 25 to 50 more starting energy (To reduce the waiting time for broodlings)

+ Show Spoiler +

On February 05 2013 19:03 thezanursic wrote:

Adding on top of this I got another idea.

Would giving spores 2x or 3x damage versus bio air (Essentially only zerg units) make anything other than muta ling viable and how would this change affect ZvZ?

On February 05 2013 17:49 UPro-BW wrote:

THIS(almost). In addition to that, how about removing the research constraint for lockdown and ensnare,
and buffing the dark archon someway to compensate for that changes might be good.

TvZ: better queens might provide better late game for zerg against mech
TvT: possible bio TvT fork?
ZvP: something must be done about zerg allins and scout isn't the answer imo
TvP: ghosts with earlier availability and lockdown might be useful for soft countering protoss allins and carriers/arbiters supremacy.
ZvZ : how about giving queens a spell that soft counter mutas?

On February 05 2013 18:48 Jumperer wrote:
For those who wants to know why KESPA stopped BW and went to SC2. It wasn't because of savior and matchfixing, it also wasn't because of SC2. It was because patch 1.08+ caused so much imbalance within the game that the OGN mapcreators couldn't come up with another balance map for this broken game. So they figured that it was simply easier to just switch to sc2.

If blizzard stays with 1.07. Starcraft would still be alive today. Bisu would also have 90% PvZ winnrate and 3 more OSL titles. Bisu only having 70%ish winrate further shows how imbalance the matchup is. You think that fool of a took named shine would beat bisu when storm do the damage it's supposed to do?

this game demonstrated my point. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JJ9w9zcozjU. Look at this, if it was played under patch 1.07. Bisu would've won because dragoons would come out quicker and it would kill all the hydras.

even stork said in an interview that zerg is imba against protoss. he suggests quicker archon build time and 128 storm to compensate. IN CONCLUSION, STORK SUPPORTS THE PATCH 1.07 MOVEMENT.

anyone who disagrees with this post and thread is killing esports and is a esport terrorist.

On February 06 2013 03:54 sheaRZerg wrote:
When was 1.07? I had always thought the 150 pool was ancient history...as in starcraft vanilla old.

On February 05 2013 18:48 Jumperer wrote:
For those who wants to know why KESPA stopped BW and went to SC2. It wasn't because of savior and matchfixing, it also wasn't because of SC2. It was because patch 1.08+ caused so much imbalance within the game that the OGN mapcreators couldn't come up with another balance map for this broken game. So they figured that it was simply easier to just switch to sc2.

If blizzard stays with 1.07. Starcraft would still be alive today. Bisu would also have 90% PvZ winnrate and 3 more OSL titles. Bisu only having 70%ish winrate further shows how imbalance the matchup is. You think that fool of a took named shine would beat bisu when storm do the damage it's supposed to do?

this game demonstrated my point. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JJ9w9zcozjU. Look at this, if it was played under patch 1.07. Bisu would've won because dragoons would come out quicker and it would kill all the hydras.

even stork said in an interview that zerg is imba against protoss. he suggests quicker archon build time and 128 storm to compensate. IN CONCLUSION, STORK SUPPORTS THE PATCH 1.07 MOVEMENT.

anyone who disagrees with this post and thread is killing esports and is a esport terrorist.

On February 06 2013 02:57 puppykiller wrote:
So now he starts trolling really obviously so as to pretend that he was doing it from the start...

On February 05 2013 17:40 Sayle wrote:
I can't believe so many people are taking a Jumper thread seriously.