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Zombo Joe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada850 Posts
February 05 2013 05:01 GMT
#21
TvP is very Protoss favored. I don't see the logic behind nerfing terran.

Perhaps there is none?
I am Terranfying.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
February 05 2013 05:05 GMT
#22
On February 05 2013 14:01 Zombo Joe wrote:
TvP is very Protoss favored. I don't see the logic behind nerfing terran.

Perhaps there is none?

I believe the race balance has always slightly(VERY SLIGHTLY) been T>Z P>T Z>P

But maps play a big part in skewing racial imbalance too, which is why when a fairly balanced map comes along(FS) it gets played to death
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19256 Posts
February 05 2013 05:08 GMT
#23
This thread makes my head hurt.
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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11363 Posts
February 05 2013 05:20 GMT
#24
Unclean! Unclean! There is a balance thread in the BW Subforum.
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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
February 05 2013 05:21 GMT
#25
TvZ is unbalanced because Flash was good at it? What?
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letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
February 05 2013 05:35 GMT
#26
what is this? lol
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
February 05 2013 05:35 GMT
#27
150 mineral pool is all I need to see to know that it isn't
Fyrewolf
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1533 Posts
February 05 2013 05:40 GMT
#28
No no, you guys got it all wrong. Adding new units was what made it all unbalanced in the first place. Medics turned marines from a good expendable canon fodder unit into an great unkillable all-game long unit, along with having the best spell in the game (by which I mean optic flare), and that in turn made ultralisks have to get the unnecessary armor upgrade to deal with them. And protoss became insane when they added the dark templar which demonstrated large issues with the unbalanced detection of races and creation of so many more stalemate possibilities, along with turning into a dedicated anti-caster dark archon, which has so many terrible implications on the gameplay from being purely anti-spell. The so-called air "balance" model was truly anything but; and possibly the worst offense was the least zerg-like unit ever, the immobile lurker, a decidedly non-swarm unit that used low numbers with low-risk high-reward gameplay that was unlike anything the zerg had or needed. It is not 1.07 we should revert to.

It is Starcraft, the original pure unadulterated vanilla balance of chocolatey goodness, that we must raise our battlecry for.
"This is not Warcraft in space" "It's much more...... Sophisticated" "I KNOW IT'S NOT 3D!!!"
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
February 05 2013 05:45 GMT
#29
yeah, just play BW guys.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
February 05 2013 06:01 GMT
#30
Let's just put it this way: I would've won two more PvTs in recent memory with this patch but still have lost every game vZ.

A 3-supply tank in the midgame would make pushing out much more dangerous right? And in the one PvT I lost, in particular their mech play was pretty good and crushed me but if they had noticeably fewer tanks that would've been reversed. I like it the way it is because all the maps are made for THIS patch. We wouldn't play SC Vanilla maps in an official OSL right? A lot of stuff just wouldn't be balanced with our current knowledge of the game (On a lot of those if Zerg just 4pools the game ends, we'd see a lot fewer gas-intensive builds meaning M&M v Z, etc etc).
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
February 05 2013 06:05 GMT
#31
On February 05 2013 15:01 IntoTheheart wrote:
Let's just put it this way: I would've won two more PvTs in recent memory with this patch but still have lost every game vZ.

A 3-supply tank in the midgame would make pushing out much more dangerous right? And in the one PvT I lost, in particular their mech play was pretty good and crushed me but if they had noticeably fewer tanks that would've been reversed. I like it the way it is because all the maps are made for THIS patch. We wouldn't play SC Vanilla maps in an official OSL right? A lot of stuff just wouldn't be balanced with our current knowledge of the game (On a lot of those if Zerg just 4pools the game ends, we'd see a lot fewer gas-intensive builds meaning M&M v Z, etc etc).

It'd make pushing out and winning impossible. Smaller numbers it wouldnt be as bad, but as supply goes up the number of tanks you have drops pretty significantly, thus the amount of damage your army is gonna be doing lowers(especially considering most units are theret o just soak up damage for the tanks anyway)
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PiPaPoh
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
121 Posts
February 05 2013 06:07 GMT
#32
After about 12 years you start such a discussion...

Some men just want to watch the world burn.
therockmanxx
Profile Joined July 2010
Peru1174 Posts
February 05 2013 06:57 GMT
#33
This thread is unclean
Purify it !!
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Just_a_Moth
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1954 Posts
February 05 2013 06:58 GMT
#34
On February 05 2013 12:19 GhostOwl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2013 12:04 xxpack09 wrote:
On February 05 2013 11:55 GhostOwl wrote:
I totally agree with OP. There was a reason why BW was very T dominated and the last best BW player was Terran.


I didn't know Jangbi played terran


Winning one last tournament doesnt mean much, especially when people were switching over to SC2 and neglecting BW practice. Korean fans and foreign fans both agree Flash was the last bonjwa

Winning the last two individual leagues means something though. Flash was the last bonjwa. Jangbi was never a bonjwa, but at the very end of BW he was the best player.
Black[CAT]
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Malaysia2589 Posts
February 05 2013 07:04 GMT
#35
3 supply tank is so stupid... Look at SC2....
You mean ESPORTS isnt a synonym for SC2? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -Proud owner of a Filco Majestouch 2 with Cherry Blue Switches- BW or SC2? Why not both?
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5489 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-05 07:23:47
February 05 2013 07:18 GMT
#36
The answer is NO.

BW in my opinion only warrants a couple of changes

Ghosts being cheaper, having slightly more health and 25 more starting energy

Dark archons having 1 more range on MC and Feedback or making maelstorm more powerful + 50 more shields or 1+ armor

Queens having 25 to 50 more starting energy (To reduce the waiting time for broodlings)

+ Show Spoiler +

Ohh and being totally biased reducing the build time of cannons or increasing the build time of bunkers because its just BS as it is, haha
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iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1608 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-05 07:55:31
February 05 2013 07:33 GMT
#37
I was playing at this time so I can tell you about my frustration when I saw pool 200, zerg was supposed to be this ultra fast race that can move quickly and rush, now we are the race that get the most proxy. How many times did you die from a rush bunker or 9gate? Pool9 is so easily deny and frankly it delays you too much in the middle game to do this as a standard build.

Ppl complaining about pool4? pool4 didn't guarantee you a win, at this time it was op on 3v3 hunters and that's the reason why they changed it. Note that most of gamers were playing hunters.

I don't have a problem with terran even though i believe they should have put irradiete at 100 and not 75 but zerg shouldn't be nerf the way it has been. Look at the domination after 1.08 came out... Boxer, Nada, Sync, Xellos, iloveoov. those are all terran man. Only when stack muta came out you started to see some zerg doing good but it's still too weak in my opinion. If you see so many zerg foreigner in TLS it's easy, most of foreigners are just lazy fuck seeking a win making photon and time pushing which you can easily do with protoss and terran, that's why at a certain lvl they are just too bad to qualify because they have 2 build order in their pocket, prove me wrong on that :/
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vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-05 08:17:11
February 05 2013 08:16 GMT
#38
On February 05 2013 16:33 iFU.pauline wrote:
I was playing at this time so I can tell you about my frustration when I saw pool 200, zerg was supposed to be this ultra fast race that can move quickly and rush, now we are the race that get the most proxy. How many times did you die from a rush bunker or 9gate? Pool9 is so easily deny and frankly it delays you too much in the middle game to do this as a standard build.

Ppl complaining about pool4? pool4 didn't guarantee you a win, at this time it was op on 3v3 hunters and that's the reason why they changed it. Note that most of gamers were playing hunters.

I don't have a problem with terran even though i believe they should have put irradiete at 100 and not 75 but zerg shouldn't be nerf the way it has been. Look at the domination after 1.08 came out... Boxer, Nada, Sync, Xellos, iloveoov. those are all terran man. Only when stack muta came out you started to see some zerg doing good but it's still too weak in my opinion. If you see so many zerg foreigner in TLS it's easy, most of foreigners are just lazy fuck seeking a win making photon and time pushing which you can easily do with protoss and terran, that's why at a certain lvl they are just too bad to qualify because they have 2 build order in their pocket, prove me wrong on that :/


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If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
Sayle
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom3685 Posts
February 05 2013 08:40 GMT
#39
I can't believe so many people are taking a Jumper thread seriously. I do like the sound of 128 damage storm though ^_^
puppykiller
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States3130 Posts
February 05 2013 08:44 GMT
#40
As a terran this offends me.
Why would I play sctoo when I can play BW?
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