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On December 11 2012 03:06 Martyrc wrote:
Actually, this is a very serious problem, players have had problems before, I don't exactly remember what league (WCG maybe?) Never getting their payment, flights not getting reimbursed, et cetera, et cetera. So stop calling the OP pedantic, and start looking for answers. As one member of liquipedia has clearly stated already: There is no CLEAR and WRITTEN DOWN information about the prize pool. You know what that may mean? NASL maybe doesn't have ANY legal obligations to pay the participants. So I think these questions are very legitimate, and I sure do hope they will be answered.
Really? Has there been ANYTHING coming from players about not getting paid by NASL? Are you pulling out your tinfoil hat because you never got an official press release?
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People lose their fucking minds for esports here in canada lol
I find a surprising number of people to whom I can ask "who is your favorite SC2 player" and get a cogent answer. It makes me happy inside 
Edit: clearly this is my biased sample and not based on objective reality :D
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On December 11 2012 03:17 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 03:13 OCsurfeR wrote:On December 11 2012 03:10 NoGasfOu wrote:
Only top 4 players earned something? What happened to the 200k? I'm pretty sure all 8 players who showed up to the Grand Finals received a portion of the prize pool. In Season 3 it was the case that all competitors who were in the Grand Finals got at least something and that whatever it was seemed satisfactory to them (in addition to having all of their travel arrangements made and paid for by NASL), so I see no reason why NASL would have altered it this time, other than to give Jimmy something to whine about. From the information we were given to edit liquipedia with the prize distribution was 30k/15k/10k/5k for 1st through 4th place, nothing for 5th-8th.
Well if that's what Liquipedia says, it MUST be true (sarcastic emphasis added).
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On December 11 2012 03:17 HorsemasterK wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 03:06 Martyrc wrote:
Actually, this is a very serious problem, players have had problems before, I don't exactly remember what league (WCG maybe?) Never getting their payment, flights not getting reimbursed, et cetera, et cetera. So stop calling the OP pedantic, and start looking for answers. As one member of liquipedia has clearly stated already: There is no CLEAR and WRITTEN DOWN information about the prize pool. You know what that may mean? NASL maybe doesn't have ANY legal obligations to pay the participants. So I think these questions are very legitimate, and I sure do hope they will be answered. Really? Has there been ANYTHING coming from players about not getting paid by NASL? Are you pulling out your tinfoil hat because you never got an official press release?
NASL has never had an issue with paying players, and all the players and casters spoke about how well they were treated at the event.
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On December 11 2012 03:19 OCsurfeR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 03:17 Dodgin wrote:On December 11 2012 03:13 OCsurfeR wrote:On December 11 2012 03:10 NoGasfOu wrote:
Only top 4 players earned something? What happened to the 200k? I'm pretty sure all 8 players who showed up to the Grand Finals received a portion of the prize pool. In Season 3 it was the case that all competitors who were in the Grand Finals got at least something and that whatever it was seemed satisfactory to them (in addition to having all of their travel arrangements made and paid for by NASL), so I see no reason why NASL would have altered it this time, other than to give Jimmy something to whine about. From the information we were given to edit liquipedia with the prize distribution was 30k/15k/10k/5k for 1st through 4th place, nothing for 5th-8th. Well if that's what Liquipedia says, it MUST be true (sarcastic emphasis added).
If the information is wrong it would be nice if they told us so we can fix it, this is what we heard on the stream so it's what was posted there. sc2earnings won't be accurate if we don't get all the information so It's kind of important, a lot of people use that website.
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On December 11 2012 03:19 OCsurfeR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 03:17 Dodgin wrote:On December 11 2012 03:13 OCsurfeR wrote:On December 11 2012 03:10 NoGasfOu wrote:
Only top 4 players earned something? What happened to the 200k? I'm pretty sure all 8 players who showed up to the Grand Finals received a portion of the prize pool. In Season 3 it was the case that all competitors who were in the Grand Finals got at least something and that whatever it was seemed satisfactory to them (in addition to having all of their travel arrangements made and paid for by NASL), so I see no reason why NASL would have altered it this time, other than to give Jimmy something to whine about. From the information we were given to edit liquipedia with the prize distribution was 30k/15k/10k/5k for 1st through 4th place, nothing for 5th-8th. Well if that's what Liquipedia says, it MUST be true (sarcastic emphasis added).
Where is your evidence to the contrary? Just asking.
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On December 11 2012 03:21 HorsemasterK wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 03:19 OCsurfeR wrote:On December 11 2012 03:17 Dodgin wrote:On December 11 2012 03:13 OCsurfeR wrote:On December 11 2012 03:10 NoGasfOu wrote:
Only top 4 players earned something? What happened to the 200k? I'm pretty sure all 8 players who showed up to the Grand Finals received a portion of the prize pool. In Season 3 it was the case that all competitors who were in the Grand Finals got at least something and that whatever it was seemed satisfactory to them (in addition to having all of their travel arrangements made and paid for by NASL), so I see no reason why NASL would have altered it this time, other than to give Jimmy something to whine about. From the information we were given to edit liquipedia with the prize distribution was 30k/15k/10k/5k for 1st through 4th place, nothing for 5th-8th. Well if that's what Liquipedia says, it MUST be true (sarcastic emphasis added). Where is your evidence to the contrary? Just asking.
I know a guy. That's all I'll say.
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I'm all for NASL in Toronto
but I think OP suddenly started to care about "journalism" since yesterday
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On December 11 2012 03:27 OCsurfeR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 03:21 HorsemasterK wrote:On December 11 2012 03:19 OCsurfeR wrote:On December 11 2012 03:17 Dodgin wrote:On December 11 2012 03:13 OCsurfeR wrote:On December 11 2012 03:10 NoGasfOu wrote:
Only top 4 players earned something? What happened to the 200k? I'm pretty sure all 8 players who showed up to the Grand Finals received a portion of the prize pool. In Season 3 it was the case that all competitors who were in the Grand Finals got at least something and that whatever it was seemed satisfactory to them (in addition to having all of their travel arrangements made and paid for by NASL), so I see no reason why NASL would have altered it this time, other than to give Jimmy something to whine about. From the information we were given to edit liquipedia with the prize distribution was 30k/15k/10k/5k for 1st through 4th place, nothing for 5th-8th. Well if that's what Liquipedia says, it MUST be true (sarcastic emphasis added). Where is your evidence to the contrary? Just asking. I know a guy. That's all I'll say.
Could you tell us what the prize distribution is then please?
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I think it would be good for NASL if they compiled all the money they paid out to players for the season and posted that number... even if it's just one number of the total. Doesn't NASL still pay out to the weekly winners? Doesn't NASL give a large travel stipend to all 8 players who made the finals? That stipend is essentially the prize for everyone in the top 8. Getting to the semis just ups the prize by another 5k at a minimum. Overall, NASL put a lot of money in the players hands and I think it'd be good advertizing for them to show how much they really distributed to the players. I don't believe they've ever failed to pay-out in the past unlike a different large Esports tournament organization that continues to run.
However, this thread is certainly not the way to go about getting answers from NASL. Instead, it seems like a really butt-hurt thread about not going to Canada. If you want to actually ask tough questions, why don't you do it when someone is actually around to respond... like in an interview?
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I think some people were thinking about ESL when it came to payments, but oh well, that claim was also slightly weird.
This is definitely not journalism. If you actually think it is then read over your questions again and at least try to look for answers. Also, realize that some of your questions are just really, really, terrible.
Now if you actually don't mean these questions and are trying troll, you're also doing a terrible job. It's really mediocre.
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On December 11 2012 03:34 pPingu wrote:
Could you tell us what the prize distribution is then please?
It wouldn't be appropriate for me to do so. That's for NASL officially to decide to publish or not.
Again, what does it matter?
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On December 11 2012 03:50 OCsurfeR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 03:34 pPingu wrote:
Could you tell us what the prize distribution is then please? It wouldn't be appropriate for me to do so. That's for NASL officially to decide to publish or not. Again, what does it matter?
It matters because you come into this thread just to act like you know stuff other people don't, and then when asked about it you say "it wouldn't be appropriate for me to say". You can't see how this might come across as attentionwhoring and trying to stir up controversy for no reason?
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On December 11 2012 03:50 OCsurfeR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 03:34 pPingu wrote:
Could you tell us what the prize distribution is then please? It wouldn't be appropriate for me to do so. That's for NASL officially to decide to publish or not. Again, what does it matter?
It matters because every other tournament publishes their prize pool and distribution, which we then input into Liquipedia for everyone to see. Then it is added to the website dedicated to keeping track of how much money professional players earn. Is that hard to understand? If there's an error it should be fixed, you don't need to be the one releasing the information but you figure NASL would want the community to have the correct figures on their prize pool.
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On December 11 2012 01:52 JimmyJRaynor wrote:it was already stated by a guy who edits the Season4 LIquipedia article that they got that information from what the casters stated during the broadcast despite their efforts to get the prize pool info directly from NASL before the event. if u watch the Hotbid//Slasher video, Slasher and Hotbid state only 110 people showed up. It was no where near a sell out which would've been about 850. so they went from 5000 in season 3 to ~110 in Season 4. Ouch, that is a big drop. Thanks for the solid sources of info on Season 5 and 6. This thread was born about 12 hours after that tweet so its not like they published in 10,000 places that Seasons 5 and 6 were going to happen. And , its only a single tweet. But, its better than nothin! Obviously, if they are hosting Seasons 5 and 6 then they are going to pay the prize money. Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 01:47 Zennith wrote:See, I just wanna know why nobody does events in NYC. Seriously. MLG has done tons of stuff here that I couldn't go see because they weren't having spectators. Whatup with that?  Slasher and Hotbid cover that topic in their NASL S4 interview
I don't know how much they charge for tickets for the Toronto one. But regular price for tickets to NASL 4 is $70.20. VIP tickets are $100.90. Some serious economics mismanagement happened here.
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why not go to Canada? Because its fucking expensive! They are based in SoCal. It saves them so much money by holding the events there. They don't need to ship any of the equipment at all, or fly their entire staff to another country. Its not a tough question at all. Its common sense.
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Oh he's a huge troll, see his posting history, he's been obsessively bashing on NASL for the past week or so. Pretty much all these questions were answered before me made this post.
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On December 11 2012 04:07 BathTubNZ wrote:Oh he's a huge troll, see his posting history, he's been obsessively bashing on NASL for the past week or so. Pretty much all these questions were answered before me made this post.
I'm pretty sure he's just mad that they didn't have the finals in Canada.
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On December 10 2012 23:53 WardenSC wrote:
i thought it kinda sucked for players ranked #5-8 who received no prize at all T.T
Even though 5-8th got nothing. Keep in mind that they also received money from the regular season. $150 per win. So if you got 7 wins then that's $1,050. And I assume the players got free travel (last season they did, not sure about this season).
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On December 11 2012 04:03 jmbthirteen wrote:
why not go to Canada? Because its fucking expensive! They are based in SoCal. It saves them so much money by holding the events there. They don't need to ship any of the equipment at all, or fly their entire staff to another country. Its not a tough question at all. Its common sense.
Unfortunately the problem with that is they'll get eaten alive by IPL/Vegas unless there's a better gap in scheduling.
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