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On December 10 2012 22:48 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
#4. Why not return to "Toronto" ?
4 Finals, 3 locations.
So what, if they want to change location for every final, they do it, why would they keep going to the same ? There's NA in NASL, so they go wherever in NA they want, that's all. Even if they had big attendance for season 3, it's common to see "well, we can try somewhere else maybe we'll have even more people showing up" stuff.
I see this one more as a personal question than a "tough" general one.
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On December 11 2012 01:32 HeavenResign wrote:
#4 I get you're from Canada but that's not a tough question, you just want them to come back to Toronto.
Not such a great thread.
This.
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Here's what I posted on reddit regarding attendance a while back
There are many reasons why there would be lower viewers and lower live spectators.
Southern California has had a lot of live SC2 tournaments. California has gotten MLG Anaheim 2011 and 2012, Blizzcon w/ GSL finals, NASL1,2,&4, Gigabyte LAN, etc... (also a couple hours drive to Vegas for IPL4&5). I have attended MLG, IPL, and NASL. People get tired of going to a bunch of events b/c going to an event is exhausting. Watching at home or going to a barcraft is actually more relaxing. Going to live events is still fun but we aren't going to all of them so we will select certain ones.
NASL3 was big in Canada b/c nobody ever goes there so Canada had only one option on attending the event. NASL1&3 were during the summer and both were big events. NASL2&4 were terrible timing right before college finals. Why would I attend NASL right before final exams when I could just attend MLG or IPL? Also it doesn't help that NASL is happening after all the major events just happened(BWC, IPL5, Dreamhack, etc...)
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These are rather silly questions except for the prize pool one, which is legitimate.
So I guess this thread is a somewhat partial success at hard hitting, no nonsense investigative reporting?
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Don't take him too serious. He critizised NASL all weekend long these things, stating that they don't have enough and all the Toronto stuff and is just putting it into a thread to gain more attention. Seems like he has got some kind of crusade against NASL decisions running. And also most of the questions were already answered.
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The NASL finals were great. There was all sorts of entertainment both during and between games.
I also enjoyed the 6 way HOTS free for all.
I am already looking forward to the next NASL.
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There is all kinds of contact info on the NASL web site. Why are you stirring things up here in the name of "journalism"...?
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jimmyjraynor is just a troll, stop feeding him.
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I have to agree that these aren't really tough questions, just bad ones. Chill out, let them unravel their future plans when they are ready, being a dick on the internet isn't likely to get you anything else.
I thought the finals were a lot of fun, but I do imagine viewership was limited by it being a PST instead of EST. There is a big difference for the EU between starting your finals at 23:00 or midnight and 02:00 or 03:00 (like EST is only 6 hours behind and PST is 9). I watched what I could, but there was no way I could make it to the finals with Monday morning mere hours away, and I don't think I was alone in that. Also, being the fifth consecutive weekend of major tournaments probably didn't help. Either way I think they did a great job and I just hope they are more EU friendly next time.
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On December 11 2012 00:09 Destro wrote:
"Hey guys i have some tough questions for the NASL..."
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"now i am going to immediately answer them and make substantial and unfounded claims based on feeling rather then any facts"
This is a garbage post full of vitriol, if you are going to ask the "hard questions" don't pretend to know the answers when you obviously havent got the slightest fucking clue.
This pretty much sums up my thoughts of the OP.
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As a side note, quoting Slasher as any kind of reliable source is a little like quoting Fox news's estimates for who was going to win the 2012 Presidential Election.
Slasher has proven time and time again to thrive on negative and often unfounded criticism. He seems far more interested in smearing mud for the amusement of his limited and diminishing following than he does actually supporting eSports.
MLG let him go for a reason. Just sayin.
As for Jimmy, he's a hater and a troll, I suspect he always will be.
As a side note, if the NFL doesn't announce that there will be a 2013 season at the end of the Superbowl next February, does that mean there won't be a 2013 season?
/rolls eyes.
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Still no Source on prize pools....
Despite what you may think of OP, he raises a valid point, at least to this topic in particular.
Where's the actual NASL source on Prize Pool distribution? We already know the Liquipedia stuff just came from whatever volunteers could gleam from the stream, and not from any official NASL source.
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On December 11 2012 02:57 ch33psh33p wrote:
Still no Source on prize pools....
Despite what you may think of OP, he raises a valid point, at least to this topic in particular.
Where's the actual NASL source on Prize Pool distribution? We already know the Liquipedia stuff just came from whatever volunteers could gleam from the stream, and not from any official NASL source.
Why is it so important to you when the players and teams are showing no concern about it whatsoever?
This is a red herring spawned by a person who just wants to hate on NASL. Stop feeding him.
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What do they owe you, a bank statement? The casters said the prize pool, they work for NASL and weren't hired last minute to do an event so they didn't just make the number up. I guess Russell Pfister could make a statement but unless he decides to respond to this thread I'm not sure why he'd feel the need to. The finals ended yesterday. Just because he did something in the past doesn't mean he's obligated to do anything.
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#1. What was the attendance for the Season 4 Finals and How many paid full price?
At Season 3 plenty of people paid the full price for their tickets. For Season 4 coupons were flying every where. I can't see why any one in attendance would pay full price for their tickets. Did any one pay full price for their tickets? I suspect the answer is very few or none paid full price.
There are pretty legitimate business reasons for not disclosing this :-/
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Actually, this is a very serious problem, players have had problems before, I don't exactly remember what league (WCG maybe?) Never getting their payment, flights not getting reimbursed, et cetera, et cetera. So stop calling the OP pedantic, and start looking for answers. As one member of liquipedia has clearly stated already: There is no CLEAR and WRITTEN DOWN information about the prize pool. You know what that may mean? NASL maybe doesn't have ANY legal obligations to pay the participants. So I think these questions are very legitimate, and I sure do hope they will be answered.
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On December 11 2012 03:06 Martyrc wrote:
Actually, this is a very serious problems, players have had problems before, I don't exactly remember what league (WCG maybe?) Never getting their payment, flights not getting reimbursed, et cetera, et cetera. So stop calling the OP pedantic, and start looking for answers. As one member of liquipedia has clearly stated already: There is no CLEAR and WRITTEN DOWN information about the prize pool. You know what that may mean? NASL maybe doesn't have ANY legal obligations to pay the participants. So I think these questions are very legitimate, and I sure do hope they will be answered.
You say this as if this was the first season.. It was the 4th season and none of the previous winners have spoken out about not being paid. This skepticism is coming out of nowhere and with no valid cause other than a need to hate on something and/or troll people. NASL did a wonderful job this season and with these finals. Put down your pitchforks or go back to fucking reddit.
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Only top 4 players earned something? What happened to the 200k?
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On December 11 2012 03:06 Martyrc wrote:
Actually, this is a very serious problem, players have had problems before, I don't exactly remember what league (WCG maybe?) Never getting their payment, flights not getting reimbursed, et cetera, et cetera. So stop calling the OP pedantic, and start looking for answers. As one member of liquipedia has clearly stated already: There is no CLEAR and WRITTEN DOWN information about the prize pool. You know what that may mean? NASL maybe doesn't have ANY legal obligations to pay the participants. So I think these questions are very legitimate, and I sure do hope they will be answered.
Just because it's not visible to YOU, doesn't mean it's not clear or written down. I state again that I'm positive the teams and players would never have signed contracts to participate in Season 4 if they didn't know what the prize pool was.
So yes, it is pedantic (nice word by the way, I so rarely get to use it).
As a spectator I could care less what the prize pool is. It's none of my business. If the players end up not getting paid, guess what? The NASL will disappear, so clearly if they want to continue (and they definitely seem to want to) they'll make good on their prize pool commitments.
The red-herring element of this entire thread is that there's some history of lingering doubt that the NASL will pay the winners. Does anybody recall Puma (2X), or Stephano saying they weren't paid in Seasons 1, 2 and 3? Any of the other players making that claim that they were never paid?!?
Nope.
So this is a rabbit hole question started by a NASL troll and hater. Let it go.
It IS pedantic (yay I got to use that word again).
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On December 11 2012 03:10 NoGasfOu wrote:
Only top 4 players earned something? What happened to the 200k?
I'm pretty sure all 8 players who showed up to the Grand Finals received a portion of the prize pool.
In Season 3 it was the case that all competitors who were in the Grand Finals got at least something and that whatever it was seemed satisfactory to them (in addition to having all of their travel arrangements made and paid for by NASL), so I see no reason why NASL would have altered it this time, other than to give Jimmy something to whine about.
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On December 11 2012 03:13 OCsurfeR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 03:10 NoGasfOu wrote:
Only top 4 players earned something? What happened to the 200k? I'm pretty sure all 8 players who showed up to the Grand Finals received a portion of the prize pool. In Season 3 it was the case that all competitors who were in the Grand Finals got at least something and that whatever it was seemed satisfactory to them (in addition to having all of their travel arrangements made and paid for by NASL), so I see no reason why NASL would have altered it this time, other than to give Jimmy something to whine about.
From the information we were given to edit liquipedia with the prize distribution was 30k/15k/10k/5k for 1st through 4th place, nothing for 5th-8th.
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