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On December 07 2017 12:02 Danglars wrote:
They've put a pause on America being literally over from the tax bill, just so America can be over from this bill.
The tweet and your statement are not consistent. According to the tweet, Pelosi called the concealed carry permit bill a threat to public safety, not the end of the country if it passes. Your partisan exaggerating of the opposition isn't accomplishing anything, and if you are referring to something outside of the tweet then you should be more clear.
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In 2009, Sam Seder told a vulgar joke on Twitter that would eventually cost him a job he didn't yet have -- and make him a target of a movement that didn't yet exist.
MSNBC said Monday that it will not renew Seder's contract as a contributor, a move that came days after a far-right activist dredged up the eight-year-old tweet and pressured the cable news network to cut ties with him.
In the tweet, Seder cracked a subversive joke about the filmmaker Roman Polanski, a director who pleaded guilty to statutory rape after being charged with drugging and raping a 13-year-old girl.
"Don't care re Polanski, but I hope if my daughter is ever raped it is by an older truly talented man w/a great sense of mise en scene," Seder said at the time.
The tweet went largely unnoticed until last week. That's when Mike Cernovich -- a pro-Trump provocateur who has advanced a number of conspiracy theories online, but also gained prominence in the Trump-era for legitimate national security related scoops -- began calling out Seder, MSNBC and reporters he accused of ignoring a legitimate story.
Cernovich's efforts paid off on Monday, much to Seder's chagrin.
"I've been on [MSNBC] for 14 years; I've been paid by them for over two years. I've had thousands of tweets since 2009. There was context for those tweets," Seder told CNN in a phone interview Tuesday. "If they can't make that assessment, if making that assessment is a bridge too far, they have no value as a news organization."
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On December 07 2017 12:08 micronesia wrote:The tweet and your statement are not consistent. According to the tweet, Pelosi called the concealed carry permit bill a threat to public safety, not the end of the country if it passes. Your partisan exaggerating of the opposition isn't accomplishing anything, and if you are referring to something outside of the tweet then you should be more clear.
He isn't. Danglars is a simple creature. The left said it, so it must be bad and hysterical. This is all he needs.
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On December 07 2017 12:08 micronesia wrote:The tweet and your statement are not consistent. According to the tweet, Pelosi called the concealed carry permit bill a threat to public safety, not the end of the country if it passes. Your partisan exaggerating of the opposition isn't accomplishing anything, and if you are referring to something outside of the tweet then you should be more clear.
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Millions are dead, and the country's ended. I don't know why you're left worrying about threats to public safety when literally Armageddon just happened!
Put another way: They sold the Titanic so much, that pulling it all back in to worry about the arrangement of the deck chairs has some of us on the right chuckling.
I grant you it's less apparent if you don't live in deep-blue California and talked to at least a dozen under-40s in the two days after the bill clearing the Senate that ate up the hype. It was seriously like Trump got re-elected, except less broken storefronts and overturned garbage cans.
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United States24805 Posts
On December 07 2017 12:24 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2017 12:08 micronesia wrote:The tweet and your statement are not consistent. According to the tweet, Pelosi called the concealed carry permit bill a threat to public safety, not the end of the country if it passes. Your partisan exaggerating of the opposition isn't accomplishing anything, and if you are referring to something outside of the tweet then you should be more clear. https://twitter.com/pattonoswalt/status/937032331398754304https://twitter.com/PalmerReport/status/936852029040762880+ Show Spoiler +Millions are dead, and the country's ended. I don't know why you're left worrying about threats to public safety when literally Armageddon just happened! Put another way: They sold the Titanic so much, that pulling it all back in to worry about the arrangement of the deck chairs has some of us on the right chuckling. I grant you it's less apparent if you don't live in deep-blue California and talked to at least a dozen under-40s in the two days after the bill clearing the Senate that ate up the hype. It was seriously like Trump got re-elected, except less broken storefronts and overturned garbage cans.
You seem to be using the emotional dramatic response of a small slice of the left to generalize the whole, which is not something I support personally (many are guilty of doing this of course). In addition, you have not even remotely justified your claim that the left considers the concealed carry permit bill the end of America. All I've seen is that Pelosi referred to it as a threat to public safety, which seems like an appropriate level of rhetoric (or lack thereof) regardless of whether you actually agree with her position or not.
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Fucking over the rest of the country while I get even more rich isn't the end of the world, come on. Get over it.
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You don't understand, this is Danglars time to gloat and mock the left. He has always been in this to stick it to the other side.
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Did you guys read this thread when the bill passed the Senate? Nevermind Democrat politicians and hyperbole, this thread was acting as if the nation was ending.
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Trump, doing great things for our service members.
Edit: that bill is a pile of shit and raises my taxes. And the process that made that bill was also shit.
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On December 07 2017 12:41 Introvert wrote:
Did you guys read this thread when the bill passed the Senate? Nevermind Democrat politicians and hyperbole, this thread was acting as if the nation was ending.
I don't remember that. There was a lot of talk about how it was a terrible bill that only through some repugnant methods were they able to pass what is a massive transfer of wealth to the uber rich.
Maybe that it brings us that much closer to people showing up on Bezos doorstep with pitch forks, but I don't remember anyone saying anything along the lines of the nation ending.
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Off the top of my head, I remember serious predictions of a new Great Depression by 2030 and America's fade into irrelevance shortly after.
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On December 07 2017 12:33 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2017 12:24 Danglars wrote:On December 07 2017 12:08 micronesia wrote:The tweet and your statement are not consistent. According to the tweet, Pelosi called the concealed carry permit bill a threat to public safety, not the end of the country if it passes. Your partisan exaggerating of the opposition isn't accomplishing anything, and if you are referring to something outside of the tweet then you should be more clear. https://twitter.com/pattonoswalt/status/937032331398754304https://twitter.com/PalmerReport/status/936852029040762880+ Show Spoiler +Millions are dead, and the country's ended. I don't know why you're left worrying about threats to public safety when literally Armageddon just happened! Put another way: They sold the Titanic so much, that pulling it all back in to worry about the arrangement of the deck chairs has some of us on the right chuckling. I grant you it's less apparent if you don't live in deep-blue California and talked to at least a dozen under-40s in the two days after the bill clearing the Senate that ate up the hype. It was seriously like Trump got re-elected, except less broken storefronts and overturned garbage cans. You seem to be using the emotional dramatic response of a small slice of the left to generalize the whole, which is not something I support personally (many are guilty of doing this of course). In addition, you have not even remotely justified your claim that the left considers the concealed carry permit bill the end of America. All I've seen is that Pelosi referred to it as a threat to public safety, which seems like an appropriate level of rhetoric (or lack thereof) regardless of whether you actually agree with her position or not.
If you personally didn't observe that reaction, and can't empathize with the humor, I'll roll my eyes and sigh a little, but not demand you respond to the ridiculous responses.
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Some conservative citizens find humor in extravagant reactions to the tax bill, both in body count and imminent doom of country. Take, for example, Nancy Pelosi's reaction, "This is Armageddon." Next, a bill on concealed carry is coming up for a vote, and she comments that this bill is "a direct threat to public safety." This is rather funny coming from her, considering after Armageddon has happened, other public safety threats are rather blase. Please, do not mean to take this statement to be an accurate portrayal of all Democrat voters. It is just several congresspersons, and many journalists, with large media reach.
Many Democrat voters are sensible people, but sometimes a bit touchy when they feel they're the subject of generalizations. Have no fear. This is poking a bit of fun at their elected leader and media figure's use of extreme rhetoric, which has a tendency to leave very little room to draw back afterwards. Harken back to the fun you had at Trump's outrageous tweets, and remember that some people on the right also partake in jovial reflections! Trump might say something funny tomorrow, but know that your colleagues on the right won't unfairly believe you mean they're just as stupid! They do not mean injury to you in this case, and will read and respect your political comments in the future without unfairly grouping you in the outrage mob.
Better?
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On December 07 2017 12:45 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2017 12:41 Introvert wrote:
Did you guys read this thread when the bill passed the Senate? Nevermind Democrat politicians and hyperbole, this thread was acting as if the nation was ending. I don't remember that. There was a lot of talk about how it was a terrible bill that only through some repugnant methods were they able to pass what is a massive transfer of wealth to the uber rich. Maybe that it brings us that much closer to people showing up on Bezos doorstep with pitch forks, but I don't remember anyone saying anything along the lines of the nation ending.
Then you missed a hilarious few hours.
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There are troubling parallels to the narrative of today and the early 1900s.
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On December 07 2017 12:58 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2017 12:45 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 07 2017 12:41 Introvert wrote:
Did you guys read this thread when the bill passed the Senate? Nevermind Democrat politicians and hyperbole, this thread was acting as if the nation was ending. I don't remember that. There was a lot of talk about how it was a terrible bill that only through some repugnant methods were they able to pass what is a massive transfer of wealth to the uber rich. Maybe that it brings us that much closer to people showing up on Bezos doorstep with pitch forks, but I don't remember anyone saying anything along the lines of the nation ending. Then you missed a hilarious few hours.
I mean I was there, I read the posts, they just weren't as they are being described.
EDIT: The comedy of old "They're shrouding statues and that's a dangerous slippery slope to erasing history" guy (danglars) chuckling about Dems overselling is not lost on me either.
People also wondered why Ben Shapiro was trash, here's an example:
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On December 07 2017 12:41 Introvert wrote:
Did you guys read this thread when the bill passed the Senate? Nevermind Democrat politicians and hyperbole, this thread was acting as if the nation was ending.
On December 07 2017 12:56 mozoku wrote:
Off the top of my head, I remember serious predictions of a new Great Depression by 2030 and America's fade into irrelevance shortly after.
I knew I couldn't have been the only one to observe this. + Show Spoiler +I also try not to rely much on lived experience, because what I hear in Hollywood or Santa Monica is not going to be representative of people in less liberal environs. Here, I could crack jokes here about people that thought Trump was going to round up the gays and hispanics, but I understand people from another area might never have seen it and assume I'm trying to point to one faction to smear the entire group. But if you lived and/or worked in LA, you would have run into someone of that persuasion and they'd know what you were talking about and not some general indictment.
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On December 07 2017 13:04 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2017 12:58 Introvert wrote:On December 07 2017 12:45 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 07 2017 12:41 Introvert wrote:
Did you guys read this thread when the bill passed the Senate? Nevermind Democrat politicians and hyperbole, this thread was acting as if the nation was ending. I don't remember that. There was a lot of talk about how it was a terrible bill that only through some repugnant methods were they able to pass what is a massive transfer of wealth to the uber rich. Maybe that it brings us that much closer to people showing up on Bezos doorstep with pitch forks, but I don't remember anyone saying anything along the lines of the nation ending. Then you missed a hilarious few hours. I mean I was there, I read the posts, they just weren't as they are being described. EDIT: The comedy of old "They're shrouding statues and that's a dangerous slippery slope to erasing history" guy (danglars) chuckling about Dems overselling is not lost on me either. People also wondered why Ben Shapiro was trash, here's an example: https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/25712847277
That Us education system, where you don't get to know about the Ottomans unless you play civilization. What a peice of racist garbage.
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United States24805 Posts
On December 07 2017 12:58 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2017 12:33 micronesia wrote:On December 07 2017 12:24 Danglars wrote:On December 07 2017 12:08 micronesia wrote:The tweet and your statement are not consistent. According to the tweet, Pelosi called the concealed carry permit bill a threat to public safety, not the end of the country if it passes. Your partisan exaggerating of the opposition isn't accomplishing anything, and if you are referring to something outside of the tweet then you should be more clear. https://twitter.com/pattonoswalt/status/937032331398754304https://twitter.com/PalmerReport/status/936852029040762880+ Show Spoiler +Millions are dead, and the country's ended. I don't know why you're left worrying about threats to public safety when literally Armageddon just happened! Put another way: They sold the Titanic so much, that pulling it all back in to worry about the arrangement of the deck chairs has some of us on the right chuckling. I grant you it's less apparent if you don't live in deep-blue California and talked to at least a dozen under-40s in the two days after the bill clearing the Senate that ate up the hype. It was seriously like Trump got re-elected, except less broken storefronts and overturned garbage cans. You seem to be using the emotional dramatic response of a small slice of the left to generalize the whole, which is not something I support personally (many are guilty of doing this of course). In addition, you have not even remotely justified your claim that the left considers the concealed carry permit bill the end of America. All I've seen is that Pelosi referred to it as a threat to public safety, which seems like an appropriate level of rhetoric (or lack thereof) regardless of whether you actually agree with her position or not. If you personally didn't observe that reaction Other than the tweets that you posted only after I pointed out your post was unsupported, I did not observe the reaction you claim to have observed because I don't talk to the large group of California millennials that you apparently do.
and can't empathize with the humor, I'll roll my eyes and sigh a little, but not demand you respond to the ridiculous responses. I wouldn't have responded if you pointed out ridiculous responses on the basis of them being ridiculous (and would agree in some cases). But you didn't do that. You called out a not ridiculous tweet and then generalized the left with it.
Editing original post to read: Show nested quote +Some conservative citizens find humor in extravagant reactions to the tax bill, both in body count and imminent doom of country. Take, for example, Nancy Pelosi's reaction, "This is Armageddon." Next, a bill on concealed carry is coming up for a vote, and she comments that this bill is "a direct threat to public safety." This is rather funny coming from her, considering after Armageddon has happened, other public safety threats are rather blase. Please, do not mean to take this statement to be an accurate portrayal of all Democrat voters. It is just several congresspersons, and many journalists, with large media reach.
Many Democrat voters are sensible people, but sometimes a bit touchy when they feel they're the subject of generalizations. Have no fear. This is poking a bit of fun at their elected leader and media figure's use of extreme rhetoric, which has a tendency to leave very little room to draw back afterwards. Harken back to the fun you had at Trump's outrageous tweets, and remember that some people on the right also partake in jovial reflections! Trump might say something funny tomorrow, but know that your colleagues on the right won't unfairly believe you mean they're just as stupid! They do not mean injury to you in this case, and will read and respect your political comments in the future without unfairly grouping you in the outrage mob. Better?
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On December 07 2017 13:04 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2017 12:58 Introvert wrote:On December 07 2017 12:45 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 07 2017 12:41 Introvert wrote:
Did you guys read this thread when the bill passed the Senate? Nevermind Democrat politicians and hyperbole, this thread was acting as if the nation was ending. I don't remember that. There was a lot of talk about how it was a terrible bill that only through some repugnant methods were they able to pass what is a massive transfer of wealth to the uber rich. Maybe that it brings us that much closer to people showing up on Bezos doorstep with pitch forks, but I don't remember anyone saying anything along the lines of the nation ending. Then you missed a hilarious few hours. I mean I was there, I read the posts, they just weren't as they are being described. EDIT: The comedy of old "They're shrouding statues and that's a dangerous slippery slope to erasing history" guy (danglars) chuckling about Dems overselling is not lost on me either. People also wondered why Ben Shapiro was trash, here's an example: https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/25712847277
It's always a nice reminder from you to how statue defacement and removal was supposed to be limited to Confederate generals, until it wasn't. But you're into erasing more recent history, like how Trump was castigated for implying that Washington and Jefferson would be next after the Robert E Lee statue. Nah, buddies, let's forget about all that: what matters is a conservative said slippery slope and that's the punch line!
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