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I don't know why you keep answering to Mozoku on europe hypocritical stance on pedophilia to in some ways justify his party line to a point he doesn't feel uncomfortable about it. The guy hasn't taken the time to understand how it works in Europe and neither to read it when properly explained multiple times to him. He is just doubling down on it for blantantly obvious reasons. Let him be.
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On December 07 2017 16:29 Grumbels wrote:re: Ben Shapiro, if you want to read a good takedown of him you should read this https://static.currentaffairs.org/2017/12/the-cool-kids-philosopherYoung people looking up to Shapiro is a genuinely sad phenomenon. Also, there is clearly huge overlap between the alt right and Shapiro’s fan base. Saying he is not alt right because he is Jewish seems to me to miss the point.
The more interesting question is who is funding Benny? Because I'm not convinced he platform are funded by ad revenue. Not convinced at all.
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On December 07 2017 20:50 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2017 16:29 Grumbels wrote:re: Ben Shapiro, if you want to read a good takedown of him you should read this https://static.currentaffairs.org/2017/12/the-cool-kids-philosopherYoung people looking up to Shapiro is a genuinely sad phenomenon. Also, there is clearly huge overlap between the alt right and Shapiro’s fan base. Saying he is not alt right because he is Jewish seems to me to miss the point. The more interesting question is who is funding Benny? Because I'm not convinced he platform are funded by ad revenue. Not convinced at all.
I read the article and if he's really the best that the American Right has to offer, the USA is indeed doomed.
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On December 07 2017 20:56 PoulsenB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2017 20:50 Plansix wrote:On December 07 2017 16:29 Grumbels wrote:re: Ben Shapiro, if you want to read a good takedown of him you should read this https://static.currentaffairs.org/2017/12/the-cool-kids-philosopherYoung people looking up to Shapiro is a genuinely sad phenomenon. Also, there is clearly huge overlap between the alt right and Shapiro’s fan base. Saying he is not alt right because he is Jewish seems to me to miss the point. The more interesting question is who is funding Benny? Because I'm not convinced he platform are funded by ad revenue. Not convinced at all. I read the article and if he's really the best that the American Right has to offer, the USA is indeed doomed.
Someone clearly thinks he is so good he should have his own platform. I bet whoever that is loves these tax cuts a lot.
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And folks point to Shapiro and say shit like, "well at least he's well spoken." No, he's just a perfect representation of every little white boy-man who got told that their "opinion" actually overlooks the plight of millions who belong to other demographics. He's a crybaby who gets paid to tell other crybabies that everyone else is actually a crybaby.
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A lot of Shapiro's appeal is people who aren't familiar with intellectuals (because academics/science are leftist propaganda/elitism) being faced with someone who has decent orator skills and reacting positively because he doesn't challenge their core beliefs despite presenting as smart.
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On December 07 2017 16:29 Grumbels wrote:re: Ben Shapiro, if you want to read a good takedown of him you should read this https://static.currentaffairs.org/2017/12/the-cool-kids-philosopherYoung people looking up to Shapiro is a genuinely sad phenomenon. Also, there is clearly huge overlap between the alt right and Shapiro’s fan base. Saying he is not alt right because he is Jewish seems to me to miss the point.
That was an awesome read.
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On December 07 2017 21:40 farvacola wrote:
And folks point to Shapiro and say shit like, "well at least he's well spoken." No, he's just a perfect representation of every little white boy-man who got told that their "opinion" actually overlooks the plight of millions who belong to other demographics. He's a crybaby who gets paid to tell other crybabies that everyone else is actually a crybaby.
I always love that the same people that bemoan a conservative like David Brooks then tell “the left” to challenge their beliefs by listening to Ben Shapiro. Brooks writes for the New York Times editorial section and likely has his beliefs challenged daily. And it shows. Ben Shapiro works with conservatives making articles and videos about conservative views to be watched by conservatives. Ben Shapiro’s entire existence is an echo chamber of his own making.
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Whole thread is interesting.
Gov Walker and several members of the Wisconsin Republican Party were subjected to a John Doe investigation, whose targets were under gag orders to disclose to others how their offices and homes had been raided and hard drives seized. The ostensible reason was unlawful coordination between groups, but the first judge that stopped the investigation found it unsupported in reason or law. You can read the entire twitter thread and other linked articles to find how personal information was leaked and how a partisan judge was complicit.
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The fierce Santa Ana winds that have driven massive wildfires in Southern California could get even stronger Thursday, officials warned, as four fires near Los Angeles grew to engulf more than 100,000 acres.
Early Thursday, miles of the 101 freeway were closed in both directions west of Ventura; the road might not reopen until Friday, the California Department of Transportation says.
Forecasters predict gusts of up to 80 mph, likely grounding helicopters and fixed-wing aircraft that can drop water on the blazes.
"The forecast for [Thursday] is purple," Ken Pimlott, director at the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection, said last night, referring to the only color above red on the wind scale. "We've never used purple before."
And as of now at least, an end to the threat is a long way away. The National Weather Service office in Los Angeles and Oxnard says it expects critical fire weather conditions to linger into Saturday, with the winds paired with extremely low humidity.
The NWS office adds that when a fire gets started in those conditions, there's a high chance of "very rapid fire spread, long range spotting, and extreme fire behavior."
As The Associated Press notes, "The wilder winds could easily make new fires explode too, as one did Wednesday in Los Angeles' exclusive Bel-Air section, where a fire consumed multimillion-dollar houses that give the rich and famous sweeping views of Los Angeles."
The fires have produced vivid and shocking images of massive walls of flame. But on Wednesday night, a much smaller scene of peril played out, when a man was seen getting out of his car to rescue a rabbit that was near perilous flames on Highway 1 in La Conchita. In a dramatic sequence captured by RMG News, the rabbit ran away from the man — and toward the flames — before he managed to corral it. He declined to be interviewed afterwards.
Mary Plummer, a reporter with member station KPCC in Pasadena, tells Morning Edition that "these fires are affecting a real range of geographic areas — some very urban, some very rural. So, it's a real logistical problem."
Making the situation more dangerous for anyone trying to get out of affected areas, the fires have forced closures on arterial roads. In addition to the shutdown of a stretch of the 101 on Thursday, a portion of the 405 freeway was closed in both directions for a time on Wednesday.
Cal Fire estimates that hundreds of structures, including 200 homes, have been destroyed, and that as many as 200,000 people are under evacuation orders. Some 12,000 structures are considered in danger.
Gov. Jerry Brown declared a state of emergency for Los Angeles and Ventura counties, which will free up state resources.
Remarkably, so far no deaths have been reported.
But many people have been evacuated and many have already lost homes.
Patricia Hampton, a homeless woman who lost her tent, was sheltered at the Ventura County Fairgrounds, which is serving as an evacuation center.
"It was surreal," she tells KPCC. "The entire town was pitch black. I looked to the left and the hillside was on fire; I looked to my right and it was just coming over the ridge, huge flames."
Member station KCLU says that firefighters have made progress, raising containment of the Thomas Fire, the largest of several, from zero to 5 percent.
However, Ventura County Fire Captain Tony McHale said it was still a long way from under control.
"There's enough fire around; there's dry fuel; the humidity is still low. We're still very much in danger. So we can't let our guard down at all," McHale said.
The Thomas Fire has burned a 10-mile path from Santa Paula to the Pacific Ocean, jumping U.S. Highway 101 along the way.
The Los Angeles Times reports that "As flames raged toward neighborhoods in Ojai, Carpenteria and Fillmore late Wednesday, officials issued new evacuation orders in Ojai Valley, notifying residents with an emergency cellphone alert. Authorities said they were helping residents of five assisted-living facilities evacuate, while people at Ojai Hospital were advised to shelter in place."
Southern California Public Radio (SCPR) adds: "Areas northeast of Ojai have seen the most fire growth since Wednesday morning, officials told reporters. Authorities say they are conducting damage assessments in the area to determine how many homes have been damaged."
In Los Angeles County, the Creek Fire, affecting 12,605 acres, is just 5 percent contained and the Rye Fire, of 7,000 acres, is 10 percent contained and the much smaller Skirball Fire is considered 5 percent contained and has prompted the evacuation of about 700 homes, one apartment building and an elementary school, according to SCPR.
The Bel-Air fire prompted UCLA to cancel classes after noon on Wednesday; all classes are also canceled for Thursday, the Daily Bruin reports.
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On December 07 2017 16:29 Grumbels wrote:re: Ben Shapiro, if you want to read a good takedown of him you should read this https://static.currentaffairs.org/2017/12/the-cool-kids-philosopherYoung people looking up to Shapiro is a genuinely sad phenomenon. Also, there is clearly huge overlap between the alt right and Shapiro’s fan base. Saying he is not alt right because he is Jewish seems to me to miss the point.
That was long, and worth every second. A thorough takedown and analysis if ever there was one.
The final paragraph also made me genuinely happy and amused.
This does also highlight why many actual researchers and such are not keen on public debates. It is NOT about your understanding of the topic, and the aim is not to determine or present a thorough and honest inspection of said topic, the aim is to win. Being good at arguing in short-format speeches and debates has literally nothing to do with being right, or even making sense.
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On December 07 2017 19:37 Grumbels wrote:https://www.creators.com/read/ben-shapiro/06/07/the-radical-evil-of-the-palestinian-arab-populationthis piece is incredibly evil, I will quote the section about arabs Show nested quote +Ah, the fabled Palestinian people. The Palestinian people, who simply want "a better life." The Palestinian people, who, President George W. Bush has repeatedly informed us, "long for a society in which they can raise their children in peace and hope."
The Palestinian people, who support, fund and execute suicide bombings. The Palestinian people, who dress their toddlers in bomb belts and then take family snapshots. The Palestinian people, who cheered on September 11 as the World Trade Center towers fell. The Palestinian people, who followed terrorist extraordinaire Yasser Arafat, supported Saddam Hussein, shredded the blooming rose that was once Christian Lebanon, and almost toppled the Western-friendly Jordanian monarchy. The Palestinian people, who destroy relics on the Temple Mount, openly call for the destruction of the state of Israel, ally with Syria and Iran, and elect Hamas. The Palestinian people, who teach their children that the Holocaust is a fairy tale, and that Jews routinely poison Palestinian candy. The Palestinian people, who stage injuries in order to solicit Western media sympathy, and then roar madly as they hold up their hands, red with the blood of murdered Israeli soldiers.
The idea of an entire population corrupted by bloodthirsty anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism violates modern ideas of politics. According to the Bush administration, the problem with the Palestinian Arabs isn't the Palestinian Arabs — it's their leadership. During Yasser Arafat's tenure, the problem was Yasser Arafat, not the hundreds of thousands who followed him. Now the problem is Hamas, not the hundreds of thousands who supported and elected them.
The problem runs deeper than a few figureheads. The Palestinian Arab population is rotten to the core. There are many to be blamed: Yasser Arafat, who lined his pockets with cash and subsidized murder while playing the victim of oppression. An Arab world that refused to absorb the Palestinian population, preferring to use it as a political pawn against Israel. The United Nations, which suckled the Palestinian Arab population into dependency at the international teat. Israel, for emboldening the Palestinian Arabs by conceding to them.
But in the end, the blame must lie with the Palestinian Arabs themselves. They have accepted their role with relish. They are as responsible for their government's longstanding evil as the Germans were for the Nazis'.
It is far more convenient, however, for the Bush administration and the international community to treat the Palestinian Arabs' thoroughgoing radicalism as a top-down problem. Throw a bit of money at the Holocaust denier, pressure Israel into concessions and hope that the Palestinian Arabs will abandon their attachment to Islamofascism, the logic runs.
Such policy demonstrates an adolescent understanding of Palestinian Arab motivation. Palestinian Arabs will not be bribed: The West has bribed them for decades, and the Palestinian Arabs have demonstrated their preference for suicide bombing over working toilets. Palestinian Arabs will not be moderated: Israel has ceded land continuously since 1993, and the Palestinian Arabs have demonstrated their preference for murder over peace. Palestinian Arabs must be fought on their own terms: as a people dedicated to an evil cause.
So far, Israel and America have willfully blinded themselves to the harsh reality of popular evil. They have refused to come to terms with the harsh fact that collective choices require collective treatment.
Treating collective problems as problems of individuals is a vacuous panacea. Waiting for Arafat to die of old age did not moderate the Palestinian Arabs; supporting one radical over another will not moderate them, either. The Palestinian Arab population breeds terrorism, anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism. If Israel and America refuse to recognize that simple truth, they will continue to pay the price in blood and treasure.
I see you use the term "evil." Would you say the same to an obvious hit piece on Israeli actions from 1948 to present? I'm not a big fan of the hit piece genre making big charges quickly with little explanation (say, why he believes Palestinian Arabs have accepted their role with relish, compared to being misled or lack of political choices). Or do you have questions of the factual accuracy of some of his points.
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Franken is giving his speech now or soon I think
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On December 08 2017 00:50 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2017 19:37 Grumbels wrote:https://www.creators.com/read/ben-shapiro/06/07/the-radical-evil-of-the-palestinian-arab-populationthis piece is incredibly evil, I will quote the section about arabs Ah, the fabled Palestinian people. The Palestinian people, who simply want "a better life." The Palestinian people, who, President George W. Bush has repeatedly informed us, "long for a society in which they can raise their children in peace and hope."
The Palestinian people, who support, fund and execute suicide bombings. The Palestinian people, who dress their toddlers in bomb belts and then take family snapshots. The Palestinian people, who cheered on September 11 as the World Trade Center towers fell. The Palestinian people, who followed terrorist extraordinaire Yasser Arafat, supported Saddam Hussein, shredded the blooming rose that was once Christian Lebanon, and almost toppled the Western-friendly Jordanian monarchy. The Palestinian people, who destroy relics on the Temple Mount, openly call for the destruction of the state of Israel, ally with Syria and Iran, and elect Hamas. The Palestinian people, who teach their children that the Holocaust is a fairy tale, and that Jews routinely poison Palestinian candy. The Palestinian people, who stage injuries in order to solicit Western media sympathy, and then roar madly as they hold up their hands, red with the blood of murdered Israeli soldiers.
The idea of an entire population corrupted by bloodthirsty anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism violates modern ideas of politics. According to the Bush administration, the problem with the Palestinian Arabs isn't the Palestinian Arabs — it's their leadership. During Yasser Arafat's tenure, the problem was Yasser Arafat, not the hundreds of thousands who followed him. Now the problem is Hamas, not the hundreds of thousands who supported and elected them.
The problem runs deeper than a few figureheads. The Palestinian Arab population is rotten to the core. There are many to be blamed: Yasser Arafat, who lined his pockets with cash and subsidized murder while playing the victim of oppression. An Arab world that refused to absorb the Palestinian population, preferring to use it as a political pawn against Israel. The United Nations, which suckled the Palestinian Arab population into dependency at the international teat. Israel, for emboldening the Palestinian Arabs by conceding to them.
But in the end, the blame must lie with the Palestinian Arabs themselves. They have accepted their role with relish. They are as responsible for their government's longstanding evil as the Germans were for the Nazis'.
It is far more convenient, however, for the Bush administration and the international community to treat the Palestinian Arabs' thoroughgoing radicalism as a top-down problem. Throw a bit of money at the Holocaust denier, pressure Israel into concessions and hope that the Palestinian Arabs will abandon their attachment to Islamofascism, the logic runs.
Such policy demonstrates an adolescent understanding of Palestinian Arab motivation. Palestinian Arabs will not be bribed: The West has bribed them for decades, and the Palestinian Arabs have demonstrated their preference for suicide bombing over working toilets. Palestinian Arabs will not be moderated: Israel has ceded land continuously since 1993, and the Palestinian Arabs have demonstrated their preference for murder over peace. Palestinian Arabs must be fought on their own terms: as a people dedicated to an evil cause.
So far, Israel and America have willfully blinded themselves to the harsh reality of popular evil. They have refused to come to terms with the harsh fact that collective choices require collective treatment.
Treating collective problems as problems of individuals is a vacuous panacea. Waiting for Arafat to die of old age did not moderate the Palestinian Arabs; supporting one radical over another will not moderate them, either. The Palestinian Arab population breeds terrorism, anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism. If Israel and America refuse to recognize that simple truth, they will continue to pay the price in blood and treasure. I see you use the term "evil." Would you say the same to an obvious hit piece on Israeli actions from 1948 to present? I'm not a big fan of the hit piece genre making big charges quickly with little explanation (say, why he believes Palestinian Arabs have accepted their role with relish, compared to being misled or lack of political choices). Or do you have questions of the factual accuracy of some of his points.
He is talking about 5 million people and acting like they are a singular collective. We have states that have a lower population than Palestine and we don't act like they have one collective viewpoint. So yeah, his facts are pretty shit.
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On December 08 2017 00:51 Nevuk wrote:
Franken is giving his speech now or soon I think
Specifically 11:45 a.m. EST according to his Twitter.
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On December 08 2017 00:57 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2017 00:50 Danglars wrote:On December 07 2017 19:37 Grumbels wrote:https://www.creators.com/read/ben-shapiro/06/07/the-radical-evil-of-the-palestinian-arab-populationthis piece is incredibly evil, I will quote the section about arabs Ah, the fabled Palestinian people. The Palestinian people, who simply want "a better life." The Palestinian people, who, President George W. Bush has repeatedly informed us, "long for a society in which they can raise their children in peace and hope."
The Palestinian people, who support, fund and execute suicide bombings. The Palestinian people, who dress their toddlers in bomb belts and then take family snapshots. The Palestinian people, who cheered on September 11 as the World Trade Center towers fell. The Palestinian people, who followed terrorist extraordinaire Yasser Arafat, supported Saddam Hussein, shredded the blooming rose that was once Christian Lebanon, and almost toppled the Western-friendly Jordanian monarchy. The Palestinian people, who destroy relics on the Temple Mount, openly call for the destruction of the state of Israel, ally with Syria and Iran, and elect Hamas. The Palestinian people, who teach their children that the Holocaust is a fairy tale, and that Jews routinely poison Palestinian candy. The Palestinian people, who stage injuries in order to solicit Western media sympathy, and then roar madly as they hold up their hands, red with the blood of murdered Israeli soldiers.
The idea of an entire population corrupted by bloodthirsty anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism violates modern ideas of politics. According to the Bush administration, the problem with the Palestinian Arabs isn't the Palestinian Arabs — it's their leadership. During Yasser Arafat's tenure, the problem was Yasser Arafat, not the hundreds of thousands who followed him. Now the problem is Hamas, not the hundreds of thousands who supported and elected them.
The problem runs deeper than a few figureheads. The Palestinian Arab population is rotten to the core. There are many to be blamed: Yasser Arafat, who lined his pockets with cash and subsidized murder while playing the victim of oppression. An Arab world that refused to absorb the Palestinian population, preferring to use it as a political pawn against Israel. The United Nations, which suckled the Palestinian Arab population into dependency at the international teat. Israel, for emboldening the Palestinian Arabs by conceding to them.
But in the end, the blame must lie with the Palestinian Arabs themselves. They have accepted their role with relish. They are as responsible for their government's longstanding evil as the Germans were for the Nazis'.
It is far more convenient, however, for the Bush administration and the international community to treat the Palestinian Arabs' thoroughgoing radicalism as a top-down problem. Throw a bit of money at the Holocaust denier, pressure Israel into concessions and hope that the Palestinian Arabs will abandon their attachment to Islamofascism, the logic runs.
Such policy demonstrates an adolescent understanding of Palestinian Arab motivation. Palestinian Arabs will not be bribed: The West has bribed them for decades, and the Palestinian Arabs have demonstrated their preference for suicide bombing over working toilets. Palestinian Arabs will not be moderated: Israel has ceded land continuously since 1993, and the Palestinian Arabs have demonstrated their preference for murder over peace. Palestinian Arabs must be fought on their own terms: as a people dedicated to an evil cause.
So far, Israel and America have willfully blinded themselves to the harsh reality of popular evil. They have refused to come to terms with the harsh fact that collective choices require collective treatment.
Treating collective problems as problems of individuals is a vacuous panacea. Waiting for Arafat to die of old age did not moderate the Palestinian Arabs; supporting one radical over another will not moderate them, either. The Palestinian Arab population breeds terrorism, anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism. If Israel and America refuse to recognize that simple truth, they will continue to pay the price in blood and treasure. I see you use the term "evil." Would you say the same to an obvious hit piece on Israeli actions from 1948 to present? I'm not a big fan of the hit piece genre making big charges quickly with little explanation (say, why he believes Palestinian Arabs have accepted their role with relish, compared to being misled or lack of political choices). Or do you have questions of the factual accuracy of some of his points. He is talking about 5 million people and acting like they are a singular collective. We have states that have a lower population than Palestine and we don't act like they have one collective viewpoint. So yeah, his facts are pretty shit.
Right, he's not even-handed or restricting his comments to just the majority of Palestinian voters or fleshing out the views. But then again, I hear 62 million Trump voters are racists or tolerant and complicit in racism. I'm aware talking about millions of people as a collective bearing responsibility for the actions of their leader has play in this place. That's one of the reasons why I wanted Grumbels take on why it's evil or why it's factually inaccurate. Collective responsibility is more of an opinion.
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On December 08 2017 01:39 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2017 00:57 Plansix wrote:On December 08 2017 00:50 Danglars wrote:On December 07 2017 19:37 Grumbels wrote:https://www.creators.com/read/ben-shapiro/06/07/the-radical-evil-of-the-palestinian-arab-populationthis piece is incredibly evil, I will quote the section about arabs Ah, the fabled Palestinian people. The Palestinian people, who simply want "a better life." The Palestinian people, who, President George W. Bush has repeatedly informed us, "long for a society in which they can raise their children in peace and hope."
The Palestinian people, who support, fund and execute suicide bombings. The Palestinian people, who dress their toddlers in bomb belts and then take family snapshots. The Palestinian people, who cheered on September 11 as the World Trade Center towers fell. The Palestinian people, who followed terrorist extraordinaire Yasser Arafat, supported Saddam Hussein, shredded the blooming rose that was once Christian Lebanon, and almost toppled the Western-friendly Jordanian monarchy. The Palestinian people, who destroy relics on the Temple Mount, openly call for the destruction of the state of Israel, ally with Syria and Iran, and elect Hamas. The Palestinian people, who teach their children that the Holocaust is a fairy tale, and that Jews routinely poison Palestinian candy. The Palestinian people, who stage injuries in order to solicit Western media sympathy, and then roar madly as they hold up their hands, red with the blood of murdered Israeli soldiers.
The idea of an entire population corrupted by bloodthirsty anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism violates modern ideas of politics. According to the Bush administration, the problem with the Palestinian Arabs isn't the Palestinian Arabs — it's their leadership. During Yasser Arafat's tenure, the problem was Yasser Arafat, not the hundreds of thousands who followed him. Now the problem is Hamas, not the hundreds of thousands who supported and elected them.
The problem runs deeper than a few figureheads. The Palestinian Arab population is rotten to the core. There are many to be blamed: Yasser Arafat, who lined his pockets with cash and subsidized murder while playing the victim of oppression. An Arab world that refused to absorb the Palestinian population, preferring to use it as a political pawn against Israel. The United Nations, which suckled the Palestinian Arab population into dependency at the international teat. Israel, for emboldening the Palestinian Arabs by conceding to them.
But in the end, the blame must lie with the Palestinian Arabs themselves. They have accepted their role with relish. They are as responsible for their government's longstanding evil as the Germans were for the Nazis'.
It is far more convenient, however, for the Bush administration and the international community to treat the Palestinian Arabs' thoroughgoing radicalism as a top-down problem. Throw a bit of money at the Holocaust denier, pressure Israel into concessions and hope that the Palestinian Arabs will abandon their attachment to Islamofascism, the logic runs.
Such policy demonstrates an adolescent understanding of Palestinian Arab motivation. Palestinian Arabs will not be bribed: The West has bribed them for decades, and the Palestinian Arabs have demonstrated their preference for suicide bombing over working toilets. Palestinian Arabs will not be moderated: Israel has ceded land continuously since 1993, and the Palestinian Arabs have demonstrated their preference for murder over peace. Palestinian Arabs must be fought on their own terms: as a people dedicated to an evil cause.
So far, Israel and America have willfully blinded themselves to the harsh reality of popular evil. They have refused to come to terms with the harsh fact that collective choices require collective treatment.
Treating collective problems as problems of individuals is a vacuous panacea. Waiting for Arafat to die of old age did not moderate the Palestinian Arabs; supporting one radical over another will not moderate them, either. The Palestinian Arab population breeds terrorism, anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism. If Israel and America refuse to recognize that simple truth, they will continue to pay the price in blood and treasure. I see you use the term "evil." Would you say the same to an obvious hit piece on Israeli actions from 1948 to present? I'm not a big fan of the hit piece genre making big charges quickly with little explanation (say, why he believes Palestinian Arabs have accepted their role with relish, compared to being misled or lack of political choices). Or do you have questions of the factual accuracy of some of his points. He is talking about 5 million people and acting like they are a singular collective. We have states that have a lower population than Palestine and we don't act like they have one collective viewpoint. So yeah, his facts are pretty shit. Right, he's not even-handed or restricting his comments to just the majority of Palestinian voters or fleshing out the views. But then again, I hear 62 million Trump voters are racists or tolerant and complicit in racism. I'm aware talking about millions of people as a collective bearing responsibility for the actions of their leader has play in this place. That's one of the reasons why I wanted Grumbels take on why it's evil or why it's factually inaccurate. Collective responsibility is more of an opinion.
You can’t make the argument that collective responsibility is bad when applied to Trump voters and then stick up for Ben Shapiro using collective responsibility.
Posters in this thread who discuss racism and its impacts on the election rarely say “everyone who voted for Trump was a racist.” At the very worst posters say they are complacent about racism. But a lot of left leaning posters would apply that same complacency to the Democrats too.
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On December 08 2017 01:39 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2017 00:57 Plansix wrote:On December 08 2017 00:50 Danglars wrote:On December 07 2017 19:37 Grumbels wrote:https://www.creators.com/read/ben-shapiro/06/07/the-radical-evil-of-the-palestinian-arab-populationthis piece is incredibly evil, I will quote the section about arabs Ah, the fabled Palestinian people. The Palestinian people, who simply want "a better life." The Palestinian people, who, President George W. Bush has repeatedly informed us, "long for a society in which they can raise their children in peace and hope."
The Palestinian people, who support, fund and execute suicide bombings. The Palestinian people, who dress their toddlers in bomb belts and then take family snapshots. The Palestinian people, who cheered on September 11 as the World Trade Center towers fell. The Palestinian people, who followed terrorist extraordinaire Yasser Arafat, supported Saddam Hussein, shredded the blooming rose that was once Christian Lebanon, and almost toppled the Western-friendly Jordanian monarchy. The Palestinian people, who destroy relics on the Temple Mount, openly call for the destruction of the state of Israel, ally with Syria and Iran, and elect Hamas. The Palestinian people, who teach their children that the Holocaust is a fairy tale, and that Jews routinely poison Palestinian candy. The Palestinian people, who stage injuries in order to solicit Western media sympathy, and then roar madly as they hold up their hands, red with the blood of murdered Israeli soldiers.
The idea of an entire population corrupted by bloodthirsty anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism violates modern ideas of politics. According to the Bush administration, the problem with the Palestinian Arabs isn't the Palestinian Arabs — it's their leadership. During Yasser Arafat's tenure, the problem was Yasser Arafat, not the hundreds of thousands who followed him. Now the problem is Hamas, not the hundreds of thousands who supported and elected them.
The problem runs deeper than a few figureheads. The Palestinian Arab population is rotten to the core. There are many to be blamed: Yasser Arafat, who lined his pockets with cash and subsidized murder while playing the victim of oppression. An Arab world that refused to absorb the Palestinian population, preferring to use it as a political pawn against Israel. The United Nations, which suckled the Palestinian Arab population into dependency at the international teat. Israel, for emboldening the Palestinian Arabs by conceding to them.
But in the end, the blame must lie with the Palestinian Arabs themselves. They have accepted their role with relish. They are as responsible for their government's longstanding evil as the Germans were for the Nazis'.
It is far more convenient, however, for the Bush administration and the international community to treat the Palestinian Arabs' thoroughgoing radicalism as a top-down problem. Throw a bit of money at the Holocaust denier, pressure Israel into concessions and hope that the Palestinian Arabs will abandon their attachment to Islamofascism, the logic runs.
Such policy demonstrates an adolescent understanding of Palestinian Arab motivation. Palestinian Arabs will not be bribed: The West has bribed them for decades, and the Palestinian Arabs have demonstrated their preference for suicide bombing over working toilets. Palestinian Arabs will not be moderated: Israel has ceded land continuously since 1993, and the Palestinian Arabs have demonstrated their preference for murder over peace. Palestinian Arabs must be fought on their own terms: as a people dedicated to an evil cause.
So far, Israel and America have willfully blinded themselves to the harsh reality of popular evil. They have refused to come to terms with the harsh fact that collective choices require collective treatment.
Treating collective problems as problems of individuals is a vacuous panacea. Waiting for Arafat to die of old age did not moderate the Palestinian Arabs; supporting one radical over another will not moderate them, either. The Palestinian Arab population breeds terrorism, anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism. If Israel and America refuse to recognize that simple truth, they will continue to pay the price in blood and treasure. I see you use the term "evil." Would you say the same to an obvious hit piece on Israeli actions from 1948 to present? I'm not a big fan of the hit piece genre making big charges quickly with little explanation (say, why he believes Palestinian Arabs have accepted their role with relish, compared to being misled or lack of political choices). Or do you have questions of the factual accuracy of some of his points. He is talking about 5 million people and acting like they are a singular collective. We have states that have a lower population than Palestine and we don't act like they have one collective viewpoint. So yeah, his facts are pretty shit. Right, he's not even-handed or restricting his comments to just the majority of Palestinian voters or fleshing out the views. But then again, I hear 62 million Trump voters are racists or tolerant and complicit in racism. I'm aware talking about millions of people as a collective bearing responsibility for the actions of their leader has play in this place. That's one of the reasons why I wanted Grumbels take on why it's evil or why it's factually inaccurate. Collective responsibility is more of an opinion.
It almost as if there is a difference between people living in Palestinia just trying to survive and those who actively supported someone by voting for them.
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On December 08 2017 01:46 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2017 01:39 Danglars wrote:On December 08 2017 00:57 Plansix wrote:On December 08 2017 00:50 Danglars wrote:On December 07 2017 19:37 Grumbels wrote:https://www.creators.com/read/ben-shapiro/06/07/the-radical-evil-of-the-palestinian-arab-populationthis piece is incredibly evil, I will quote the section about arabs Ah, the fabled Palestinian people. The Palestinian people, who simply want "a better life." The Palestinian people, who, President George W. Bush has repeatedly informed us, "long for a society in which they can raise their children in peace and hope."
The Palestinian people, who support, fund and execute suicide bombings. The Palestinian people, who dress their toddlers in bomb belts and then take family snapshots. The Palestinian people, who cheered on September 11 as the World Trade Center towers fell. The Palestinian people, who followed terrorist extraordinaire Yasser Arafat, supported Saddam Hussein, shredded the blooming rose that was once Christian Lebanon, and almost toppled the Western-friendly Jordanian monarchy. The Palestinian people, who destroy relics on the Temple Mount, openly call for the destruction of the state of Israel, ally with Syria and Iran, and elect Hamas. The Palestinian people, who teach their children that the Holocaust is a fairy tale, and that Jews routinely poison Palestinian candy. The Palestinian people, who stage injuries in order to solicit Western media sympathy, and then roar madly as they hold up their hands, red with the blood of murdered Israeli soldiers.
The idea of an entire population corrupted by bloodthirsty anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism violates modern ideas of politics. According to the Bush administration, the problem with the Palestinian Arabs isn't the Palestinian Arabs — it's their leadership. During Yasser Arafat's tenure, the problem was Yasser Arafat, not the hundreds of thousands who followed him. Now the problem is Hamas, not the hundreds of thousands who supported and elected them.
The problem runs deeper than a few figureheads. The Palestinian Arab population is rotten to the core. There are many to be blamed: Yasser Arafat, who lined his pockets with cash and subsidized murder while playing the victim of oppression. An Arab world that refused to absorb the Palestinian population, preferring to use it as a political pawn against Israel. The United Nations, which suckled the Palestinian Arab population into dependency at the international teat. Israel, for emboldening the Palestinian Arabs by conceding to them.
But in the end, the blame must lie with the Palestinian Arabs themselves. They have accepted their role with relish. They are as responsible for their government's longstanding evil as the Germans were for the Nazis'.
It is far more convenient, however, for the Bush administration and the international community to treat the Palestinian Arabs' thoroughgoing radicalism as a top-down problem. Throw a bit of money at the Holocaust denier, pressure Israel into concessions and hope that the Palestinian Arabs will abandon their attachment to Islamofascism, the logic runs.
Such policy demonstrates an adolescent understanding of Palestinian Arab motivation. Palestinian Arabs will not be bribed: The West has bribed them for decades, and the Palestinian Arabs have demonstrated their preference for suicide bombing over working toilets. Palestinian Arabs will not be moderated: Israel has ceded land continuously since 1993, and the Palestinian Arabs have demonstrated their preference for murder over peace. Palestinian Arabs must be fought on their own terms: as a people dedicated to an evil cause.
So far, Israel and America have willfully blinded themselves to the harsh reality of popular evil. They have refused to come to terms with the harsh fact that collective choices require collective treatment.
Treating collective problems as problems of individuals is a vacuous panacea. Waiting for Arafat to die of old age did not moderate the Palestinian Arabs; supporting one radical over another will not moderate them, either. The Palestinian Arab population breeds terrorism, anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism. If Israel and America refuse to recognize that simple truth, they will continue to pay the price in blood and treasure. I see you use the term "evil." Would you say the same to an obvious hit piece on Israeli actions from 1948 to present? I'm not a big fan of the hit piece genre making big charges quickly with little explanation (say, why he believes Palestinian Arabs have accepted their role with relish, compared to being misled or lack of political choices). Or do you have questions of the factual accuracy of some of his points. He is talking about 5 million people and acting like they are a singular collective. We have states that have a lower population than Palestine and we don't act like they have one collective viewpoint. So yeah, his facts are pretty shit. Right, he's not even-handed or restricting his comments to just the majority of Palestinian voters or fleshing out the views. But then again, I hear 62 million Trump voters are racists or tolerant and complicit in racism. I'm aware talking about millions of people as a collective bearing responsibility for the actions of their leader has play in this place. That's one of the reasons why I wanted Grumbels take on why it's evil or why it's factually inaccurate. Collective responsibility is more of an opinion. You can’t make the argument that collective responsibility is bad when applied to Trump voters and then stick up for Ben Shapiro using collective responsibility. Posters in this thread who discuss racism and its impacts on the election rarely say “everyone who voted for Trump was a racist.” At the very worst posters say they are complacent about racism. But a lot of left leaning posters would apply that same complacency to the Democrats too.
I'm just saying the reasons why I asked, because several posters here do that schtick so I can't immediately assume x is why he thought it was evil and he accepted the facts/disputed the facts.
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