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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-07 00:59:24
December 07 2017 00:56 GMT
#189081
On December 07 2017 09:41 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2017 09:30 Plansix wrote:


Sure thing Paul. To bad you can't do that with just 50 votes you useless turdblossom.


A good thing, but I'm not sure if it comes from his convictions or his stupidity. They better be slick in the PR here, if Nancy Pelosi thinks that tax changes are Armageddon, wait until she goes around lying to seniors that their benefits will be cut.

There have been rumors like this circulating for weeks, and Trump has mentioned it as well, but I wasn't sure it was real. I thought they were going to try healthcare again or go for infrastructure, although since everyone is now crowing about debt perhaps they can't rationalize over a trillion for that right now.

But she won't be lying. Republicans already lets CHIP expire. Rural hospitals are closing. They are going to slash and burn until they are are voted out. Because that is conservativism. Destroy government knowing that it takes longer to create than it does to burn it down. And who cares who get hurt along the way.

And a tiny part of me, the most cynical part, wants them to give conservatives everything they dreams. Because that would be enough to prove to the US that conservative policies are terrible.
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kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
December 07 2017 00:59 GMT
#189082
On December 07 2017 09:56 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2017 09:41 Introvert wrote:
On December 07 2017 09:30 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/938540840640761857

Sure thing Paul. To bad you can't do that with just 50 votes you useless turdblossom.


A good thing, but I'm not sure if it comes from his convictions or his stupidity. They better be slick in the PR here, if Nancy Pelosi thinks that tax changes are Armageddon, wait until she goes around lying to seniors that their benefits will be cut.

There have been rumors like this circulating for weeks, and Trump has mentioned it as well, but I wasn't sure it was real. I thought they were going to try healthcare again or go for infrastructure, although since everyone is now crowing about debt perhaps they can't rationalize over a trillion for that right now.

But she won't be lying. Republicans already lets CHIP expire. Rural hospitals are closing. They are going to slash and burn until they are are voted out. Because that is conservativism. Destroy government knowing that it takes longer to create than it does to burn it down.

It's absolutely not conservatism - it's plutocratic, greedy, self-serving and corrupt but by calling it conservatism you grant Republicans a political heritage of a quality they don't deserve.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-07 01:03:37
December 07 2017 01:01 GMT
#189083
On December 07 2017 09:59 kollin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2017 09:56 Plansix wrote:
On December 07 2017 09:41 Introvert wrote:
On December 07 2017 09:30 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/938540840640761857

Sure thing Paul. To bad you can't do that with just 50 votes you useless turdblossom.


A good thing, but I'm not sure if it comes from his convictions or his stupidity. They better be slick in the PR here, if Nancy Pelosi thinks that tax changes are Armageddon, wait until she goes around lying to seniors that their benefits will be cut.

There have been rumors like this circulating for weeks, and Trump has mentioned it as well, but I wasn't sure it was real. I thought they were going to try healthcare again or go for infrastructure, although since everyone is now crowing about debt perhaps they can't rationalize over a trillion for that right now.

But she won't be lying. Republicans already lets CHIP expire. Rural hospitals are closing. They are going to slash and burn until they are are voted out. Because that is conservativism. Destroy government knowing that it takes longer to create than it does to burn it down.

It's absolutely not conservatism - it's plutocratic, greedy, self-serving and corrupt but by calling it conservatism you grant Republicans a political heritage of a quality they don't deserve.

It's the idiocy of the 1920s all over again. Deregulation, worship of free markets, championing industry leaders like they can do no wrong, total lack of a will to govern. They rail against government, get elected, make government fail and then take credit for being right.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
December 07 2017 01:14 GMT
#189084
On December 07 2017 09:41 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2017 09:30 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/938540840640761857

Sure thing Paul. To bad you can't do that with just 50 votes you useless turdblossom.


A good thing, but I'm not sure if it comes from his convictions or his stupidity. They better be slick in the PR here, if Nancy Pelosi thinks that tax changes are Armageddon, wait until she goes around lying to seniors that their benefits will be cut.

There have been rumors like this circulating for weeks, and Trump has mentioned it as well, but I wasn't sure it was real. I thought they were going to try healthcare again or go for infrastructure, although since everyone is now crowing about debt perhaps they can't rationalize over a trillion for that right now.

Ironically investing in infrastructure probably actually would have grown the economy. This tax bill, not so much.
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5186 Posts
December 07 2017 01:20 GMT
#189085
I'd probably have sexual interaction with a 16 year old, at any age, but 16's my limit. I wouldn't go for it myself though. If somehow, I get into a situation where a 16 year old makes advances at a 20-30-40-50.. + person, that's their prerogative (WTF IT'S SPELLED LIKE THAT?????????).
Advancing as an x year old towards a pre-consenting adult person is creepy, it tells volumes about the person.

Let me ask you guys this: how is it statutory rape if you didn't do anything except get a hard on? (ok i'm kind of trolling with this one, but I'd still like an answer to this question)
From a perspective of a sexuality in development it's easily to abuse the power you have when you're x years older, but I guess these intimacies can be kept quite casual without harming the individual psychologically.
Look, I'm basically saying I'm not going to deny my biology. When I see a hot woman (already having well developed secondary sex characteristics), I'm not not going to be turned on. Doesn't mean I'll act on it, but deep inside my mind will say: good genes to reproduce with, you must fertilize this. And just looking feels good. I've been well conditioned by my immediate surroundings, myself and society not to make it creepy or to act on it, but still, there's this primal urge. That's why I probably wouldn't turn a girl away that's 16 and makes all the advances that I find super hot.
Also, I think relationships between people that have vast age differences can work perfectly. I don't really know why people find it weird to be honest. Relationships can be based on so many different kind of premises.
Hope I won't be flamed to death here lol
Taxes are for Terrans
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 07 2017 01:32 GMT
#189086
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
December 07 2017 01:53 GMT
#189087
On December 07 2017 10:32 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/latimespolitics/status/938527994850697216

Why does this matter?
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24782 Posts
December 07 2017 01:55 GMT
#189088
Someone suggested to me that the slurred speech could have been a symptom of some type of stroke-like condition (obviously not a full stroke given the video in that article). Given his age, stress level, and supposedly bad diet, it wouldn't be that surprising.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
December 07 2017 01:56 GMT
#189089
Tabloid tier journalism to draw attention to that.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5186 Posts
December 07 2017 02:03 GMT
#189090
He most definitely just had a very dry mouth. When you've got cotton mouth, because you're either extremely nervous (because of public speaking) or because you've just gotten extremely high, you can sound like that when you speak. It's extremely annoying, I can confirm because I've had it happen myself.
Taxes are for Terrans
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3394 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-07 02:16:37
December 07 2017 02:15 GMT
#189091
Slurred speech may be an indication of severe brain damage (as what they were going for here).
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 07 2017 02:18 GMT
#189092
Hopefully they will make sure there is no female agent alone with him as Pence will get sinful thoughts...

Vice President Pence’s aides are anxious that Pence will be summoned for an interview with special counsel Robert Mueller, CNN reported Tuesday.

Those close to Pence’s office told CNN that since former national security adviser Michael Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI and Pence, it will open the door for Mueller to question Pence.

Pence knew that Flynn had contacted Russia but didn’t know the two had discussed Russian sanctions, transition officials told the network. Pence was leading the Trump transition when Flynn called then-Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak to discuss sanctions implemented against Russia by the U.S.
A person close to Pence told CNN that his aides are “preparing” to be called for an interview with Mueller.

"Chairing the transition would make it possible regardless of who it was,” the person said.

Pence’s office denied that they are preparing for a possible interview with Mueller.

"Nothing could be further from the truth. The vice president is focused on passing the largest tax cut in American history," Pence spokeswoman Alyssa Farah told CNN.

Court documents revealed that several other top Trump transition officials knew of Flynn’s conversation with Kislyak, according to CNN. And White House counsel Don McGahn reportedly told Trump that he believed Flynn had lied to Pence and the FBI in January, 18 days before Flynn was fired.

Flynn pleaded guilty last week to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russian officials. He is cooperating with Mueller’s probe into ties between the Trump campaign and Russia.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46221 Posts
December 07 2017 02:22 GMT
#189093
Considering Hillary was accused of having everything from a seizure to a brain aneurysm to dementia just because she stumbled, I think it's fair to assume that Trump's slurred and incoherent speech is due to a combination of a stroke, severe brain damage, chlamydia, and having tiny hands.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3394 Posts
December 07 2017 02:26 GMT
#189094
On December 07 2017 11:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Considering Hillary was accused of having everything from a seizure to a brain aneurysm to dementia just because she stumbled, I think it's fair to assume that Trump's slurred and incoherent speech is due to a combination of a stroke, severe brain damage, chlamydia, and having tiny hands.

This I'm inclined to agree. Most of the time he doesn't even make any fucking sense.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
December 07 2017 02:27 GMT
#189095
The explanation I had been hearing bandied about was that it looked like he was about to lose his dentures
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 07 2017 02:34 GMT
#189096
Two months ago raging wildfires in Northern California destroyed thousands of homes and businesses, intensifying an already chronic homelessness problem in the city of Santa Rosa.

The city lost 3,000 homes – 5 percent of its total housing stock – in the Tubbs fire, the largest blaze to sweep through the area in October. Price gouging is creating a second wave of homelessness as exorbitant rents keep people from finding new housing in the wake of the fires, says Jennielynn Holmes, senior director of shelter and housing for Catholic Charities of Santa Rosa. Holmes says the result could be more devastating than the housing crisis that precipitated the Great Recession.

"We're kind of seeing the trend of what happened with the 2008 foreclosure crisis," she tells Here & Now's Robin Young. "We saw people entering homelessness for the first time ever after that, and we're predicting that to happen in the next few months here. And unfortunately, it seems like it's happening a little faster than it did with the 2008 foreclosure crisis."

Holmes says that for this group of people, "their unit didn't burn, but because of the fire and this new market, it is completely taking them offline," adding that landlords whose homes burned are evicting tenants from rental units.

Between September and mid-October, the typical asking price on the rental market jumped by 36 percent in Sonoma and 23 percent in Napa, according to an analysis by rental site Zillow. The median monthly rent in Santa Rosa grew to $2,982 in the days after the fire.

The dwindling supply of affordable housing in the city of more than 160,000 is affecting people across the socioeconomic spectrum, Holmes says, but the situation is particularly dire for people who were already homeless. Before the fires, Santa Rosa only had a less than 1 percent vacancy rate, and the city was struggling to move nearly 3,000 homeless people out of tent encampments on the streets.

"Before the fire there wasn't a lot of light being cast on our homeless situation," Fernando Gomez, a 24-year-old resident who was displaced before the fires, told the Huffington Post last month. "I feel like it's getting a lot of media attention because of those displaced [by the fires], and I just want people to realize: There were a lot of people displaced before that."

There is also a growing concern that price gouging will create more problems for the long-term homeless population, as people with higher incomes enter the rental market and lower-income people are pushed out, Holmes says.

But property owners say they aren't purposely taking advantage of vulnerable residents.

"People don't realize that we're responding to insurance companies desperately trying to accommodate clients who need a place to live," Randy Knight, chief executive of 5StarVR.com, a vacation rental company, told the Los Angeles Times.

Regardless of intent, the rent uptick is exacerbating the income gap in Sonoma County, where the median home price is more than $600,000, more than double the national average. People who moved to Sonoma County to dodge million-dollar home prices in San Francisco may now be priced out.

"Because of that difference, in the last few years, a lot of people who could not afford to live in San Francisco or Santa Clara, they move farther north, out to counties like Sonoma," Oscar Wei, a senior economist at the California Association of Realtors, told the Los Angeles Times in October.

New data from the Department of Housing and Urban Development show that the homeless rate rose slightly this year for the first time since 2010, due to a spike in homelessness in cities along the West Coast, including Los Angeles, Seattle, San Diego and Sacramento. The data indicate a severe shortage of affordable housing is causing the homelessness upsurge in these cities.

In Santa Rosa, Holmes says the wildfires have emboldened advocates to aggressively step up efforts to combat homelessness from all angles.

"We have these high priority issues for our community prior to the fire on October 7th. Then the fires hit October 8th, and everything is magnified," she says. "And what's really important is ... we don't just address the people who were displaced directly by the fire in our rebuilding efforts."


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
December 07 2017 02:47 GMT
#189097
On December 07 2017 11:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Considering Hillary was accused of having everything from a seizure to a brain aneurysm to dementia just because she stumbled, I think it's fair to assume that Trump's slurred and incoherent speech is due to a combination of a stroke, severe brain damage, chlamydia, and having tiny hands.

Visibly fainting and trying to hide the fact is a little more eventful than someone slurring their words.

And if you want to be on the same level as the conspiratards for the pneumonia incident, go ahead, but I’m not sure it paints you in a good light.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
December 07 2017 02:52 GMT
#189098
On December 07 2017 10:56 LegalLord wrote:
Tabloid tier journalism to draw attention to that.

Revenge for fainting Hillary stories.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
December 07 2017 02:59 GMT
#189099
On December 07 2017 11:52 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2017 10:56 LegalLord wrote:
Tabloid tier journalism to draw attention to that.

Revenge for fainting Hillary stories.

Gratz on science vessel.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
December 07 2017 03:02 GMT
#189100


They've put a pause on America being literally over from the tax bill, just so America can be over from this bill.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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