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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 28 2017 22:12 GMT
#187001
On November 29 2017 05:39 WolfintheSheep wrote:
So, apparently Uber thinks it's completely above all laws:
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/28/uber-waymo-hearing-trial-delayed-amid-new-evidence.html

You have to fuck up pretty badly for the Justice Department to step into a case unrequested and tell the judge that evidence was withheld.

Nice, I might have just won $50. I would call that destroying evidence, but it wasn’t during the trial. I love that so many tech firms has this delusion that destroying evidence isn’t a trick that the courts found a way around centuries ago.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
November 28 2017 22:14 GMT
#187002
All this simplistic analysis is worse than just seeing what an expert analysis says on the topic.

13,000 km. A genuine ICBM. Possibly more or less depending on what payload this demo carried.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
November 28 2017 22:15 GMT
#187003
uber is hilariously screwed. until they go down, i'll keep using the service though because it's cheap and convenient. plus, their gross margin is probably negative with the insane subsidies they pay out.

in other tech guy does dumb thing news, i recommend reading about outcome health. founder tried to avoid service of process by fleeing in a car.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/outcome-health-ceo-rishi-shah-cadillac-escalade-lawsuit/
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 28 2017 22:21 GMT
#187004
How do people with 3 billion dollars not have an attorney to accept service of process? This is how people get served at weddings or while taking a shit.
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Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
November 28 2017 22:23 GMT
#187005
On November 29 2017 06:57 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2017 05:41 Artisreal wrote:
On November 29 2017 03:25 Danglars wrote:
On November 29 2017 03:00 Artisreal wrote:
On November 29 2017 02:15 Danglars wrote:
On November 29 2017 01:44 Artisreal wrote:
On November 29 2017 01:27 Danglars wrote:
On November 29 2017 01:18 GreenHorizons wrote:
On November 29 2017 01:17 Danglars wrote:
On November 29 2017 01:05 GreenHorizons wrote:
[quote]

It's pretty simple really. We both see a Nazi advocating for my genocide I go to punch him, you defend his right to advocate genocide, and get punched too.

You act like your positions aren't antithetical to polite discourse on their face. You seem to think you're entitled to the floor to say whatever you want, well, you can't say fire in a crowded theater and you can't advocate for my genocide in my presence. You want to think that makes me the uncivilized one, you go right ahead.

I do have to give you points for the clever "Kill yourself" line you slipped in there though.

First amendment free speech rights, who needs them? I should frame those first two sentences. But don’t worry, bro, if they shout to start lynching blacks in such and such neighborhood, that’s inciting imminent unlawful activity. I won’t let your base stupidity on the free speech rights of citizens interfere with the historical crossing of the line.

You wish everybody thought like you, but they don’t. If you’re perpetually aggrieved, and say that gives you the right to punch someone talking politics, you construct your own law. Just excuse your own mischief.

Here’s a thought: If you’re sharing beers and a political topic comes up, and you’re willing to punch him or her over it, just tell them to not discuss politics. It’ll work out better for both, and you get the bonus of not appearing to be a man itching for a fight. Given your tendency to call conservatives here advocates of white supremacy, and topics not unique to the black community expose white fragility, you’re just telling everyone to expect violence for their politics. And anyone not in full agreement with your political theory will have the good sense to stay away from those threats.


You're sitting here defending advocating genocide on the principle that it will take too long to get from where we are today to actually committing genocide without a shred of irony.

As for the rest, I already said that in the first place...

But in reality I have friends with wildly different politics. I'm the leftiest though. They run all the way to "voted for Trump" you seem not to appreciate how absurd the ground you're standing on is as displayed by the first part.

You're sitting here unaware that intruding on the free speech rights of some imperils the free speech rights of all. And then you make the absurd leap that neonazis protected when they do their stupid marches is one short step to "actually committing genocide." We have laws. You can say what you like politically with great freedom. You can't start killing people based on skin color. These laws have held up thus far.

I'm glad you haven't put your stated rules for socking people into practice with your friend group.

Casually assuming you're part of all and he's part of some.
:Thinking:

How much worth is a law that is not abided by? Nothing.
By that standard it suffices to have the law.
We have the law of not punching you so punching you is fine.
But go on please.

What are you on about? Law against genocide?

Keep on thinking about free speech rights.

You even have a sheriff that's been pardoned by your president as a prime example how fucking meaningless laws can be when the people enforcing them are confronted with a non white person.
Your failure to see that is on you.

Are you really ducking to Arpaio? Was Obama black and did he have pardon power over everyone black and white?

You're on fire today!
What is Obamas connection to a racist lawbreaker that has been exempt from punishment by your President?

Two things come apparent with Arpaio.
1) Racist policies are in place and breaking the law, entirely voiding your "there's a law against genocide" argument. Just because we have a law there's no fucking way to be sure it is enforced when needed, especially concerning POCs
2) It takes a long time of that being public knowledge and a little luck for the justice system to finally fuck him over
2b) then comes the Cavalry and ruins justice for a little diversion during Hurricane troubles

You made very little case connecting the free speech rights of neonazis to the presidential pardon. I’d love to indulge your subject hop, because it makes me chuckle and smile, but you really do need to show more connecting strings. Still waiting on the original whether toleration if free speech leads to genocide answer. I didn’t even understand what you were trying to say afterwards.

I don't feel like requoting your post to GH about the us having a law against genocide, thus there being no need for his angst about white supremacists advocating for his death while on my phone.
And my point is that a law in existence doesn't equate a law in practice. Your argument is completely void of any connection to reality where POCs rights are violated sometimes by the actors who are supposed to defend them.
I hope that's clearer now.
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 28 2017 22:29 GMT
#187006
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15663 Posts
November 28 2017 22:31 GMT
#187007
On November 29 2017 07:09 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2017 07:01 Mohdoo wrote:
Also worth noting Guam is 2131 miles from North Korea, so if we were to approximate vertical=horizontal, they've got a guam buster.

that's not really how it works

Google is probably the simplest for this:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/world/north-korea-launch/?utm_term=.82e9d77f2341

//As I look at that myself, I did hear about it being Alaska/West-coast range but didn't realize it's (supposedly) 9500km. But https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/855359/north-korea-missile-range-map-news-latest-hwasong-hit-Britain-world-war-3 says the same.... so I guess?


Interesting, thanks for the links. Not surprised my empty bucket of mechanical knowledge failed me yet again...
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-28 22:35:02
November 28 2017 22:34 GMT
#187008
On November 29 2017 07:21 Plansix wrote:
How do people with 3 billion dollars not have an attorney to accept service of process? This is how people get served at weddings or while taking a shit.


his wealth is based on how much of his company people think he owns (the company is being sued for massive amounts of fraud by investors, so it's probably near worthless now). he probably doesn't have much liquid, and the $225m that was supposed to be his payout was frozen by court order today.

it's a crazy story. you gotta wonder where the investors and clients slipped up when doing due diligence, or if the company was just that good at faking it.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 28 2017 22:41 GMT
#187009
On November 29 2017 07:34 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2017 07:21 Plansix wrote:
How do people with 3 billion dollars not have an attorney to accept service of process? This is how people get served at weddings or while taking a shit.


his wealth is based on how much of his company people think he owns (the company is being sued for massive amounts of fraud by investors, so it's probably near worthless now). he probably doesn't have much liquid, and the $225m that was supposed to be his payout was frozen by court order today.

it's a crazy story. you gotta wonder where the investors and clients slipped up when doing due diligence, or if the company was just that good at faking it.

The whole venture capitol world seems built to have rich people throw money at the wall making tech garbage or get ripped off.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
November 28 2017 22:44 GMT
#187010
To be fair, if my business was advertising pharmaceuticals to people visiting doctors, I would probably be terrified of people coming up to me on the street as well.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 28 2017 22:46 GMT
#187011
Ajit Pai accused twitter of silencing conservatives. Its a private platform, but apparently the FCC is now concerned that conservatives are under attack.

And Twitter doesn't silence anyone until there is overwhelming evidence that they are a garbage human. Like years and years of abuse, harassment and terrible behavior.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
November 28 2017 22:47 GMT
#187012
On November 29 2017 07:46 Plansix wrote:
Ajit Pai accused twitter of silencing conservatives. Its a private platform, but apparently the FCC is now concerned that conservatives are under attack.

And Twitter doesn't silence anyone until there is overwhelming evidence that they are a garbage human. Like years and years of abuse, harassment and terrible behavior.


I don't get people who are for the free market and how they get pissy when the free market tells them to piss off
(although I agree that twitter is not doing that)
Something witty
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 28 2017 22:56 GMT
#187013
On November 29 2017 07:47 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2017 07:46 Plansix wrote:
Ajit Pai accused twitter of silencing conservatives. Its a private platform, but apparently the FCC is now concerned that conservatives are under attack.

And Twitter doesn't silence anyone until there is overwhelming evidence that they are a garbage human. Like years and years of abuse, harassment and terrible behavior.


I don't get people who are for the free market and how they get pissy when the free market tells them to piss off
(although I agree that twitter is not doing that)

They are not free market. There is a brand of conservative that rails against the government involvement, right up until they can use the government to benefit themselves. Ayn Rand reported people to the FBI if she thought they were communist. She was all about freedom right up until someone thought something she didn’t agree with.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
November 28 2017 23:12 GMT
#187014
On November 29 2017 07:34 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2017 07:21 Plansix wrote:
How do people with 3 billion dollars not have an attorney to accept service of process? This is how people get served at weddings or while taking a shit.


his wealth is based on how much of his company people think he owns (the company is being sued for massive amounts of fraud by investors, so it's probably near worthless now). he probably doesn't have much liquid, and the $225m that was supposed to be his payout was frozen by court order today.

it's a crazy story. you gotta wonder where the investors and clients slipped up when doing due diligence, or if the company was just that good at faking it.

The tech world is too busy chasing unicorns and ICO's to worry about trivialities like profitability and corporate governance.

Occasionally it will work out, often it will not.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
November 28 2017 23:15 GMT
#187015
Kinda like how xdaunt is all for freedom, but only as far as it agrees with his views.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
November 28 2017 23:20 GMT
#187016
Nah, twitter has a history of banning/deverifying conservative accounts for activities that get a pass from liberal accounts. They are fine to engage in that behavior, it’s a free market, but then humorously wants nondiscrimination regs for other companies. I don’t consider it some big OmG HypocrIsy moment; it’s just good for a chuckle.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 28 2017 23:30 GMT
#187017
On November 29 2017 08:15 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Kinda like how xdaunt is all for freedom, but only as far as it agrees with his views.

Good luck proving it.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
November 28 2017 23:42 GMT
#187018
On November 29 2017 08:30 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2017 08:15 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Kinda like how xdaunt is all for freedom, but only as far as it agrees with his views.

Good luck proving it.

You're not free until you can protest an anthem and a flag.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 28 2017 23:46 GMT
#187019
On November 29 2017 08:42 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2017 08:30 xDaunt wrote:
On November 29 2017 08:15 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Kinda like how xdaunt is all for freedom, but only as far as it agrees with his views.

Good luck proving it.

You're not free until you can protest an anthem and a flag.

And where have I advocated for the use of government force to stop players from protesting the anthem?

Surely you can do better than this.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
November 29 2017 00:00 GMT
#187020
On November 29 2017 08:46 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2017 08:42 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On November 29 2017 08:30 xDaunt wrote:
On November 29 2017 08:15 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Kinda like how xdaunt is all for freedom, but only as far as it agrees with his views.

Good luck proving it.

You're not free until you can protest an anthem and a flag.

And where have I advocated for the use of government force to stop players from protesting the anthem?

Surely you can do better than this.

Well, there was just 5 pages of discussing whether a punch to the face violates free speech, so you'll have to forgive me for missing the transition to legally enforced freedoms.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
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