US Politics Mega-thread - Page 9287

On November 22 2017 01:50 urmomdresslikafloozy wrote:
Is Gillibrand preparing for a presidential bid?

ALEX MARLOW (HOST): Rape used to have a narrow definition. Rape used to have a definition where it was -- it was brutality, it was forced sexual attack and penetration. Now it's become, really, any sex that the woman ends up regretting that she had. And that leaves us without a lot of clarity, because when words lose their meaning, then they can be manipulated. And so now the left has made it so that women who are, maybe are -- I don't want to paint a scenario because the freaks at Media Matters are listening and they want to take me out of context, so I'm not going to give specific scenarios -- but you guys can do this in your own mind, where rape used to mean something. We used to all knew what it meant. And then now we don't know what it means. And then we don't know what's credible and what's not. And now everyone is going to come forward.

On November 22 2017 02:09 Nevuk wrote:
Brietbart editor in chief

On November 22 2017 02:13 Plansix wrote:
We used to know the line where we could harass and abuse women without fear of repercussion. But now it changed and we can’t do that anymore. Now the women get to decide when men abuse them, which isn’t fair because I no longer have a safe space to treat women like shit.

On November 22 2017 02:21 Plansix wrote:
People should not look to the Court to tell them what is true and what isn’t. The law attempts to find the truth, but it rarely succeeds.

On November 22 2017 02:21 Plansix wrote:

edit: People really need to understand that the court of public opinion is not a court of law. Innocent until proven guilty does not apply, because we dont all agree on what "proven" means. There is no judge or rules of evidence in the court of public opinion. There is no judge to decide what is allowed and what isn’t. If you need the court of law to tell you what you should think about sexual assault claims, you may need to avoid any opinion on the subject ever.

On November 22 2017 02:17 Jockmcplop wrote:


I've heard the same thing said by quite reasonable people.
The difficulty is that we are being encouraged to assume guilt in rape cases because of their sensitive nature. Any words that doubt the story of the accuser are immediately filed under 'victim blaming'.
I've found the best way to deal with individual cases is to offer no opinion at all until a court has decided.



Think about what this means. The accuser gets to decide when the accused is guilty. Its not a good precedent really.

Things have improved a hell of a lot in terms of women's rights but we should probably take care.

On November 22 2017 02:03 Mohdoo wrote:

I hope so. This sort of yolo "fuck the Clintons" is exactly what we need loud voices in the party to say. It is time to move on. Political movements work differently now. Trump and Bernie have done a great job at showing how irrelevant party establishments can be. They only become relevant when they try to unfairly exert their influence over outsiders.

Democrats need someone prominent to help sever ties with the Clintons.

On November 22 2017 02:27 Jockmcplop wrote:


So why should we have any opinion at all. What I get a lot of social media is people thinking that we should accept the word of a woman who says she was raped because she is a woman.
Let me tell you something, women are just as likely to lie as men.
The court is the best system we have of getting some truth. I know it sucks, especially in America where verdicts are given by the same kind of people who voted for Trump, but its better than making up your own mind that every accusation must be true because a woman said it.
Obviously there are cases where the evidence is overwhelming like Weinstein, but a single rape accusation against a man could easily be a total fabrication.
Innocent until proven guilty should be assumed at all times regardless or race, gender etc.


I don't get what you are trying to say here.
Maybe that people should make their minds up about stuff based on absolutely nothing. That won't work out well.

On November 22 2017 02:36 farvacola wrote:
Seemed inevitable after many of the women who worked with him were like, "yeahhhhhh, dude's a creep."

On November 22 2017 02:27 Jockmcplop wrote:
Let me tell you something, women are just as likely to lie as men.