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https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/24/twitter-will-label-political-ads-including-who-bought-and-spend.html
As political pressure mounts on social media companies to say where ads are coming from, Twitter will reveal more information about political advertising on its platform.
Twitter said in a blog post on Tuesday it would clearly label political electioneering ads, which the Federal Election Commission (FEC) defines as an ad used to promote a specific candidate for elected office or affiliated party posted within 30 days of a primary election or 60 days of a general election. Electioneering ads can also include any ad clearly promoting a political candidate at any time.
The ads will have some sort of visual marker, likely a purple dot next to the user handle, and a purple box with the text "Promoted by" and the name of the sponsor.
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On October 25 2017 10:57 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 10:52 Plansix wrote:
Again, the opposition. Red team vs blue team. There is no goal of homogeneity, only division and opposition. Co-existence with the left is impossible for the modern conservative. Dominance is the only end game they accept. It's not about us vs them. It's about policy and principle. My relentless criticism of the GOP should make that obvious. You need to ditch this stupid theory of yours.
Maybe before. Maybe back before Obama was elected. But not now. Now it is all about us vs them with you. It's culture wars and white grievance all in the guise of principle. Government needs to get out of the way and if Bannon and his white supremacist goons are the people that are going to get the GOP out of the way, that is the way it needs to be.
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On October 25 2017 11:08 Wulfey_LA wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 10:59 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 25 2017 10:57 xDaunt wrote:On October 25 2017 10:52 Plansix wrote:
Again, the opposition. Red team vs blue team. There is no goal of homogeneity, only division and opposition. Co-existence with the left is impossible for the modern conservative. Dominance is the only end game they accept. It's not about us vs them. It's about policy and principle. My relentless criticism of the GOP should make that obvious. You need to ditch this stupid theory of yours. Genuinely curious what principles you're talking about? Take Senator Flake's speech. Reverse all the parts where he talks about truthtelling, norms, shared facts, and basic decency. Then mix in white butthurt and #MAGA. There you go. Conservative Principles. EDIT: re Doodsmack, yeah, that spin is the best. The last people on earth to be responsible for the Presidency of Donald Trump are Republican voters who voted for him. Everyone else is somehow responsible. But those voters? Nah. Can't be those good, salt of the earth voters. The liberals triggered their white butthurt by talking about race too much. That damn Kaepernick tricked Republican voters into voting for a charlatan and a liar.
I'd be lying if it didn't feel that way to me too, but I'm sincerely curious what xDaunt sees as the principles conservatives hold. I'm curious who he thinks currently exemplifies them and why they aren't president.
I think xDaunt, Danglars, and Intro all would accept the "Conservative" label, but I honestly am curious if they would come up with the same principles or examples of who represents them politically?
To their point about Flake, watch the beginning of his speech again, watch closely as he says the part about forsaking re-election to do what is right. It's such bullshit he can't even keep a straight face while saying it.
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On October 25 2017 11:27 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 11:08 Wulfey_LA wrote:On October 25 2017 10:59 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 25 2017 10:57 xDaunt wrote:On October 25 2017 10:52 Plansix wrote:
Again, the opposition. Red team vs blue team. There is no goal of homogeneity, only division and opposition. Co-existence with the left is impossible for the modern conservative. Dominance is the only end game they accept. It's not about us vs them. It's about policy and principle. My relentless criticism of the GOP should make that obvious. You need to ditch this stupid theory of yours. Genuinely curious what principles you're talking about? Take Senator Flake's speech. Reverse all the parts where he talks about truthtelling, norms, shared facts, and basic decency. Then mix in white butthurt and #MAGA. There you go. Conservative Principles. EDIT: re Doodsmack, yeah, that spin is the best. The last people on earth to be responsible for the Presidency of Donald Trump are Republican voters who voted for him. Everyone else is somehow responsible. But those voters? Nah. Can't be those good, salt of the earth voters. The liberals triggered their white butthurt by talking about race too much. That damn Kaepernick tricked Republican voters into voting for a charlatan and a liar. I'd be lying if it didn't feel that way to me too, but I'm sincerely curious what xDaunt sees as the principles conservatives hold. I'm curious who he thinks currently exemplifies them and why they aren't president. I think xDaunt, Danglars, and Intro all would accept the "Conservative" label, but I honestly am curious if they would come up with the same principles or examples of who represents them politically? To their point about Flake, watch the beginning of his speech again, watch closely as he says the part about forsaking re-election to do what is right. It's such bullshit he can't even keep a straight face while saying it.
Federalism - except when a state grants rights to a weaker party
Laws enforcing previous century gender/sex/race norms
Tax cuts for the rich
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don't forget "politics imagined as a boxing match", where someone fist-fighting himself through the establishment is apparently a virtue and where every form of compromise is 'weak'
because as we all know life is a tribal, zero sum game
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On October 25 2017 11:33 Wulfey_LA wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 11:27 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 25 2017 11:08 Wulfey_LA wrote:On October 25 2017 10:59 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 25 2017 10:57 xDaunt wrote:On October 25 2017 10:52 Plansix wrote:
Again, the opposition. Red team vs blue team. There is no goal of homogeneity, only division and opposition. Co-existence with the left is impossible for the modern conservative. Dominance is the only end game they accept. It's not about us vs them. It's about policy and principle. My relentless criticism of the GOP should make that obvious. You need to ditch this stupid theory of yours. Genuinely curious what principles you're talking about? Take Senator Flake's speech. Reverse all the parts where he talks about truthtelling, norms, shared facts, and basic decency. Then mix in white butthurt and #MAGA. There you go. Conservative Principles. EDIT: re Doodsmack, yeah, that spin is the best. The last people on earth to be responsible for the Presidency of Donald Trump are Republican voters who voted for him. Everyone else is somehow responsible. But those voters? Nah. Can't be those good, salt of the earth voters. The liberals triggered their white butthurt by talking about race too much. That damn Kaepernick tricked Republican voters into voting for a charlatan and a liar. I'd be lying if it didn't feel that way to me too, but I'm sincerely curious what xDaunt sees as the principles conservatives hold. I'm curious who he thinks currently exemplifies them and why they aren't president. I think xDaunt, Danglars, and Intro all would accept the "Conservative" label, but I honestly am curious if they would come up with the same principles or examples of who represents them politically? To their point about Flake, watch the beginning of his speech again, watch closely as he says the part about forsaking re-election to do what is right. It's such bullshit he can't even keep a straight face while saying it. Federalism - except when a state grants rights to a weaker party Laws enforcing previous century gender/sex/race norms Tax cuts for the rich
I'm as hard on them as anyone but Danglars seeming to agree with Frederick Douglass about the founders and basically every agency of government acting in total disregard of the constitution regarding the institution of slavery is a somewhat interesting development.
I'm not sure if that's what he meant to invoke with his argument, but that's the consequence of believing the constitution was against slavery from it's inception. Which it certainly seemed he was arguing.
Such a development requires I reassess what it is I presume they are arguing. Particularly when it comes to the principles, especially when xDaunt suggests that's what this is really about.
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In other news, another boon for banks.
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people like Flake would rather go after their own side. When was the last time Flake really took it to the left? When he was in the House? add to that the spineless republicans uncomfortableness with talking about anything besides tax breaks and it's clear to see why the base that they disdain hates them right back. I'm for civility (one reason I don't like Trump) but some of these people use it as a shield to do nothing but maybe vote the right way (Sasse), or as is often the case with McCain, to do the wrong thing.
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On October 25 2017 10:59 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 10:57 xDaunt wrote:On October 25 2017 10:52 Plansix wrote:
Again, the opposition. Red team vs blue team. There is no goal of homogeneity, only division and opposition. Co-existence with the left is impossible for the modern conservative. Dominance is the only end game they accept. It's not about us vs them. It's about policy and principle. My relentless criticism of the GOP should make that obvious. You need to ditch this stupid theory of yours. Genuinely curious what principles you're talking about?
The central tenets of conservativism can be broadly distilled down to 1) individual liberty, 2) importance of family, 3) national strength, 4) capitalism, and 5) civic virtue and morality. The GOP has talked a very big game on Nos 1 and 4, but have badly failed to deliver.
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On October 25 2017 12:01 Introvert wrote:
people like Flake would rather go after their own side.
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What do you think his motivations are for doing that?
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On October 25 2017 12:15 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 12:01 Introvert wrote:
people like Flake would rather go after their own side.
... What do you think his motivations are for doing that?
It is amazing that people are asking these questions. We have a president has no respect for any personal liberties or the constitution, but they still ask.
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Here we go, a Conservative who agrees with me that tossing Flake was about Kulturkampf. Flake wouldn't wage the cultural wars that the Right wanted. If you regard cultural struggle as a Conservative principle, yeah, I can see why you would hate Flake.
Of course, if you cared about (1) individual liberty, you should be recoiling in horror at the idea that elected representatives at the Federal Government should be waging a cultural struggle. One's choice of cultural identification is an essential individual liberty guaranteed by the First Amendment. But xDaunt claps as his Dear Leader fights on his behalf to ensure that others toe the line of his desired culture. Individual liberty my ass!
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How to you stop cultural change through the power of the state while not trampling over the bill of rights? They want to use the power of government to do what the founders expressly designed the government not to do.
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On October 25 2017 12:15 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 12:01 Introvert wrote:
people like Flake would rather go after their own side.
... What do you think his motivations are for doing that?
Good question. Does he detest them more than he does his other opponents? Is he afraid to defend the ground the left is constantly grabbing up? Does he simply not care about those issues and this gets angry when they appear?
I'd love it if our hardest political debates about the tax rate or military strength. But this isn't allowed. There is a "culture war" that the politicians of the left love to jump in on but many politicians on the right want to avoid. They don't understand that they can't avoid it. We could go into the reasons for that, but just accept it as a premise for now. I think I said something akin to this to Mohdoo a few months back.
I don't like the way xDaunt goes about saying "conservatives failed" but I think there is truth in there. Many of the politicians who ran as conservatives and claim that mantle don't end up doing a whole lot for it.
Trump is a reaction, and may make things worse. But he is not the cause. In many ways, the utterly absurd and dishonest way the media covered Mitt Romney was the breaking point. Romney, a successful man, was both attacked baselessly and yet refused to defend his own success. Those voters saw Trump as the answer. I didn't, but the underlying sentiment is real.
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On October 25 2017 12:42 Plansix wrote:
How to you stop cultural change through the power of the state while not trampling over the bill of rights? They want to use the power of government to do what the founders expressly designed the government not to do.
But have you thought about all the (1) individual liberty gains our society could have if small government conservatives could use the force of law to compel intransigent NFL blacks to salute the flag like they should? Think of how much individual liberty the small government conservatives would have with that kind of power over the decisions of others.
NOTE: this is not a hypothetical. Roy Moore is running on doing this in Alabama.
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On October 25 2017 12:10 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 10:59 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 25 2017 10:57 xDaunt wrote:On October 25 2017 10:52 Plansix wrote:
Again, the opposition. Red team vs blue team. There is no goal of homogeneity, only division and opposition. Co-existence with the left is impossible for the modern conservative. Dominance is the only end game they accept. It's not about us vs them. It's about policy and principle. My relentless criticism of the GOP should make that obvious. You need to ditch this stupid theory of yours. Genuinely curious what principles you're talking about? The central tenets of conservativism can be broadly distilled down to 1) individual liberty, 2) importance of family, 3) national strength, 4) capitalism, and 5) civic virtue and morality. The GOP has talked a very big game on Nos 1 and 4, but have badly failed to deliver.
Who do you think exemplifies this politically?
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The U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York in Manhattan has opened an investigation into possible money laundering by former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, a source with direct knowledge of the situation has confirmed to ABC News.
A spokesperson for Manafort declined to comment to ABC News on Tuesday night.
Manafort is already under investigation by special counsel Robert Mueller as part of the probe into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian government.
Additionally, Manafort has been under investigation for possible criminality in New York State by Attorney General Eric Schneiderman. Both the Attorney General and Southern District New York offices are cooperating with the Mueller investigation.
www.yahoo.com
Manafort was totally going rogue, and no one else on the campaign knew anything about it. The fact that Manafort, along with various mobsters and other criminals, lived in Trump Tower prior to the Trump campaign, is a total coincidence.
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Many people called me a nut months ago when i said the USA was founded on republicanism or Fascism which you are now seeing the conservatives implement, AGAIN. Basically swamp to swamp from liberal to conservative and all thanks to Bannon. Trump tried to be moderate, he really did to try to hold this nation together from extremes but nope the mob is draining the swamp.
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Arpaio vs Ward clears the field for someone else. In this case Flake was so unpopular that his retirement probably increases the chance that the GOP holds the seat.
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