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On July 15 2017 11:42 farvacola wrote:This whole "well the DNC bought the Steele Dossier so they are just as bad" spiel doesn't become more true by simply repeating it. This is the second or third time a_flayer has casually asserted that the DNC took part in qualitatively exactly the same kind of behavior on the part of Trump campaign still being investigated. Not only do we still not know exactly what went down, repeating poorly researched talking points from Glenn Greenwald isn't exactly persuasive when they don't match up with any actual reporting. Show nested quote +There is a small industry of research and investigative firms in Washington, typically staffed by a mix of former journalists and security officials, adept at finding information about politicians that the politicians would rather stay hidden. The firms often do not know who exactly is hiring them; the request could come from a law firm acting on behalf of a client from one of the parties.
In this case, the request for opposition research on Donald Trump came from one of his Republican opponents in the primary campaign. The research firm then hired one of its sub-contractors who it used regularly on all things Russian: a retired western European former counter-intelligence official, with a long history of dealing with the shadow world of Moscow’s spooks and siloviki (securocrats).
By the time the contractor had started his research, however, the Republican primary was over. The original client had dropped out, but the firm that had hired him had found a new, Democratic client. This was not necessarily the Hillary Clinton campaign or the Democratic National Committee. Opposition research is frequently financed by wealthy individuals who have donated all they can and are looking for other ways to help.
By July, the counter-intelligence contractor had collected a significant amount of material based on Russian sources who he had grown to trust over the years – not just in Moscow, but also among oligarchs living in the west. He delivered his reports, but the gravity of their contents weighed on him. If the allegations were real, their implications were overwhelming. How the Trump dossier came to light: secret sources, a retired spy and John McCainShow nested quote +The story began in September 2015, when a wealthy Republican donor who strongly opposed Mr. Trump put up the money to hire a Washington research firm run by former journalists, Fusion GPS, to compile a dossier about the real estate magnate’s past scandals and weaknesses, according to a person familiar with the effort. The person described the opposition research work on condition of anonymity, citing the volatile nature of the story and the likelihood of future legal disputes. The identity of the donor is unclear.
Fusion GPS, headed by a former Wall Street Journal journalist known for his dogged reporting, Glenn Simpson, most often works for business clients. But in presidential elections, the firm is sometimes hired by candidates, party organizations or donors to do political “oppo” work — shorthand for opposition research — on the side.
It is routine work and ordinarily involves creating a big, searchable database of public information: past news reports, documents from lawsuits and other relevant data. For months, Fusion GPS gathered the documents and put together the files from Mr. Trump’s past in business and entertainment, a rich target.
After Mr. Trump emerged as the presumptive nominee in the spring, the Republican interest in financing the effort ended. But Democratic supporters of Hillary Clinton were very interested, and Fusion GPS kept doing the same deep dives, but on behalf of new clients.
In June, the tenor of the effort suddenly changed. The Washington Post reported that the Democratic National Committee had been hacked, apparently by Russian government agents, and a mysterious figure calling himself “Guccifer 2.0” began to publish the stolen documents online.
Mr. Simpson hired Mr. Steele, a former British intelligence officer with whom he had worked before. Mr. Steele, in his early 50s, had served undercover in Moscow in the early 1990s and later was the top expert on Russia at the London headquarters of Britain’s spy service, MI6. When he stepped down in 2009, he started his own commercial intelligence firm, Orbis Business Intelligence.
The former journalist and the former spy, according to people who know them, had similarly dark views of President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, a former K.G.B. officer, and the varied tactics he and his intelligence operatives used to smear, blackmail or bribe their targets.
As a former spy who had carried out espionage inside Russia, Mr. Steele was in no position to travel to Moscow to study Mr. Trump’s connections there. Instead, he hired native Russian speakers to call informants inside Russia and made surreptitious contact with his own connections in the country as well.
Mr. Steele wrote up his findings in a series of memos, each a few pages long, that he began to deliver to Fusion GPS in June and continued at least until December. By then, the election was over, and neither Mr. Steele nor Mr. Simpson was being paid by a client, but they did not stop what they believed to be very important work. (Mr. Simpson declined to comment for this article, and Mr. Steele did not immediately reply to a request for comment.) How a Sensational, Unverified Dossier Became a Crisis for Donald Trump
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On October 25 2017 08:25 Wulfey_LA wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 07:56 Danglars wrote:On October 25 2017 05:18 Wulfey_LA wrote:On October 25 2017 04:28 Danglars wrote:On October 25 2017 04:07 ticklishmusic wrote: jeff flake is not running for re election. wonder how many other senators are gonna decide that this shit aint worth it. Another RINO bites the dust. Flake voted 100% Conservative in the Senate and voted with Trump/McConnell every time a vote came up But Flake wouldn't go along with the daily lies and Kulturkampf, so he is a RINO! I am glad you are so transparent that you have no ideology and actual voting records don't matter. Kulturkampf was always your underlying value system, and by extension Kulturkampf has always been the true value system of supposed 'conservatives'. He’s an F score on any conservative vote audit site you pick. Gang of eight member too. Thanks for the laugh though. You’re right on the Trump/McConnell line. A prominent public Trump critic who voted with Trump. He definitely didn’t have a solid home outside the conservative faction. If you are a data person, Flake is a Trumpist. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/jeff-flake/If you are a Kulturkampf footsoldier in Dear Leader's glorious war against Libs being untriggered, Flake is a lib. Nice dodge on the conservative score. You basically agree with me 100%.
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On October 25 2017 09:37 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 08:25 Wulfey_LA wrote:On October 25 2017 07:56 Danglars wrote:On October 25 2017 05:18 Wulfey_LA wrote:On October 25 2017 04:28 Danglars wrote:On October 25 2017 04:07 ticklishmusic wrote: jeff flake is not running for re election. wonder how many other senators are gonna decide that this shit aint worth it. Another RINO bites the dust. Flake voted 100% Conservative in the Senate and voted with Trump/McConnell every time a vote came up But Flake wouldn't go along with the daily lies and Kulturkampf, so he is a RINO! I am glad you are so transparent that you have no ideology and actual voting records don't matter. Kulturkampf was always your underlying value system, and by extension Kulturkampf has always been the true value system of supposed 'conservatives'. He’s an F score on any conservative vote audit site you pick. Gang of eight member too. Thanks for the laugh though. You’re right on the Trump/McConnell line. A prominent public Trump critic who voted with Trump. He definitely didn’t have a solid home outside the conservative faction. If you are a data person, Flake is a Trumpist. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/jeff-flake/ Trump score How often Flake votes in line with Trump's position 91.7%
If you are a Kulturkampf footsoldier in Dear Leader's glorious war against Libs being untriggered, Flake is a lib. Nice dodge on the conservative score. You basically agree with me 100%.
That was one of the dumber and most irrelevant statistics that I have seen posted to prove a point around here in a while. It belies a complete lack of understanding of why Flake and other Establishment (and never Trumper) Republicans are getting their asses handed to them. But like you pointed out earlier, god forbid any of the liberals around here actually listen to a conservative regarding what's going on.
And as for the WashPo article about the DNC (re: Hillary) funding the Steele dossier, no one who has been paying attention is surprised. Y'all on the left need to start paying attention to the sheer volume of reporting that is coming out regarding Hillary/Russia relations combined with the nearly complete disappearance of the Trump/Russia collusion nonsense.
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Kid Rock on Senate Run: 'F--k No'Kid Rock said he will not run for Senate during an appearance on The Howard Stern Show Tuesday, according to The Detroit Free Press. After playing coy about his political ambitions for months, Kid Rock admitted that it was all a ploy to build hype for his new album, Sweet Southern Sugar, out November 3rd. "Fuck no, I'm not running for senate, are you kidding me?" Kid Rock said. "Who couldn't figure that out? I'm releasing a new album. I'm going on tour, too. Are you fucking shitting me?" http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/kid-rock-on-senate-run-f--k-no-w509994...
For those who were terrified at the prospect of Kid Rock possibly going to the Senate, well you fears can rest for now.
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A Supreme Court seat bought and paid for with a single lump sum of 17 million. Our votes don't matter.
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On October 25 2017 09:37 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 08:25 Wulfey_LA wrote:On October 25 2017 07:56 Danglars wrote:On October 25 2017 05:18 Wulfey_LA wrote:On October 25 2017 04:28 Danglars wrote:On October 25 2017 04:07 ticklishmusic wrote: jeff flake is not running for re election. wonder how many other senators are gonna decide that this shit aint worth it. Another RINO bites the dust. Flake voted 100% Conservative in the Senate and voted with Trump/McConnell every time a vote came up But Flake wouldn't go along with the daily lies and Kulturkampf, so he is a RINO! I am glad you are so transparent that you have no ideology and actual voting records don't matter. Kulturkampf was always your underlying value system, and by extension Kulturkampf has always been the true value system of supposed 'conservatives'. He’s an F score on any conservative vote audit site you pick. Gang of eight member too. Thanks for the laugh though. You’re right on the Trump/McConnell line. A prominent public Trump critic who voted with Trump. He definitely didn’t have a solid home outside the conservative faction. If you are a data person, Flake is a Trumpist. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/jeff-flake/ Trump score How often Flake votes in line with Trump's position 91.7%
If you are a Kulturkampf footsoldier in Dear Leader's glorious war against Libs being untriggered, Flake is a lib. Nice dodge on the conservative score. You basically agree with me 100%.
I went to Conservative Review. It was dumb. Their standards were as insane as yours are. If voting 91% of the time with Trump makes one a RINO, then the RINO/Republican distinction does not rely on voting records. My point stands that your real standards are about Kulturkampf nonsense. Senator Flake rightly rejected that bullcrap.
EDIT: I am now actually listening to the whole Flake speech while eating. It is excellent. If you are on the wrong side of his arguments, you are wrong. + Show Spoiler +
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On October 25 2017 09:42 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 09:37 Danglars wrote:On October 25 2017 08:25 Wulfey_LA wrote:On October 25 2017 07:56 Danglars wrote:On October 25 2017 05:18 Wulfey_LA wrote:On October 25 2017 04:28 Danglars wrote:On October 25 2017 04:07 ticklishmusic wrote: jeff flake is not running for re election. wonder how many other senators are gonna decide that this shit aint worth it. Another RINO bites the dust. Flake voted 100% Conservative in the Senate and voted with Trump/McConnell every time a vote came up But Flake wouldn't go along with the daily lies and Kulturkampf, so he is a RINO! I am glad you are so transparent that you have no ideology and actual voting records don't matter. Kulturkampf was always your underlying value system, and by extension Kulturkampf has always been the true value system of supposed 'conservatives'. He’s an F score on any conservative vote audit site you pick. Gang of eight member too. Thanks for the laugh though. You’re right on the Trump/McConnell line. A prominent public Trump critic who voted with Trump. He definitely didn’t have a solid home outside the conservative faction. If you are a data person, Flake is a Trumpist. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/jeff-flake/ Trump score How often Flake votes in line with Trump's position 91.7%
If you are a Kulturkampf footsoldier in Dear Leader's glorious war against Libs being untriggered, Flake is a lib. Nice dodge on the conservative score. You basically agree with me 100%. That was one of the dumber and most irrelevant statistics that I have seen posted to prove a point around here in a while. It belies a complete lack of understanding of why Flake and other Establishment (and never Trumper) Republicans are getting their asses handed to them. But like you pointed out earlier, god forbid any of the liberals around here actually listen to a conservative regarding what's going on. And as for the WashPo article about the DNC (re: Hillary) funding the Steele dossier, no one who has been paying attention is surprised. Y'all on the left need to start paying attention to the sheer volume of reporting that is coming out regarding Hillary/Russia relations combined with the nearly complete disappearance of the Trump/Russia collusion nonsense. We listen to conservatives. We just think you are full of shit. I don't understand why you are still confused on this subject.
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On October 25 2017 09:48 Plansix wrote:... We listen to conservatives. We just think you are full of shit. I don't understand why you are still confused on this subject. When you say "you" in this instance, are you referring to xDaunt or conservatives in general?
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On October 25 2017 09:50 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 09:48 Plansix wrote:... We listen to conservatives. We just think you are full of shit. I don't understand why you are still confused on this subject. When you say "you" in this instance, are you referring to xDaunt or conservatives in general? Xdaunt and Danglars. Lord of Awesome and other conservative posters are capable of having a discussion without whining or complaint about "the left" every single post.
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On October 25 2017 09:47 Wulfey_LA wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 09:37 Danglars wrote:On October 25 2017 08:25 Wulfey_LA wrote:On October 25 2017 07:56 Danglars wrote:On October 25 2017 05:18 Wulfey_LA wrote:On October 25 2017 04:28 Danglars wrote:On October 25 2017 04:07 ticklishmusic wrote: jeff flake is not running for re election. wonder how many other senators are gonna decide that this shit aint worth it. Another RINO bites the dust. Flake voted 100% Conservative in the Senate and voted with Trump/McConnell every time a vote came up But Flake wouldn't go along with the daily lies and Kulturkampf, so he is a RINO! I am glad you are so transparent that you have no ideology and actual voting records don't matter. Kulturkampf was always your underlying value system, and by extension Kulturkampf has always been the true value system of supposed 'conservatives'. He’s an F score on any conservative vote audit site you pick. Gang of eight member too. Thanks for the laugh though. You’re right on the Trump/McConnell line. A prominent public Trump critic who voted with Trump. He definitely didn’t have a solid home outside the conservative faction. If you are a data person, Flake is a Trumpist. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/jeff-flake/ Trump score How often Flake votes in line with Trump's position 91.7%
If you are a Kulturkampf footsoldier in Dear Leader's glorious war against Libs being untriggered, Flake is a lib. Nice dodge on the conservative score. You basically agree with me 100%. I went to Conservative Review. It was dumb. Their standards were as insane as yours are. If voting 91% of the time with Trump makes one a RINO, then the RINO/Republican distinction does not rely on voting records. My point stands that your real standards are about Kulturkampf nonsense. Senator Flake rightly rejected that bullcrap. Here's a clue: take a look at what votes actually make up that 91% number. Then start thinking about what is not accounted for by that number.
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If you guys want to insist that Flake is a RINO, go for it. It is just proof that you cheer on the fakeness and lies of the Trumpist party. After listening to him, I have nothing but contempt for people who would call him a RINO. Senator Flake had principles and you Trumpists chased him out because he wouldn't clap loud enough for Dear Leader.
The speech: + Show Spoiler +
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On October 25 2017 10:11 Wulfey_LA wrote:If you guys want to insist that Flake is a RINO, go for it. It is just proof that you cheer on the fakeness and lies of the Trumpist party. After listening to him, I have nothing but contempt for people who would call him a RINO. Senator Flake had principles and you Trumpists chased him out because he wouldn't clap loud enough for Dear Leader. The speech: + Show Spoiler + And we are to believe that you actually have anything resembling a passable grasp of conservative and American politics? Give me a break. At best, you've demonstrated the understanding of such things that one would receive from watching the Daily Show for two years. Flake's speech has nothing to do with conservative policy -- in either substance or purpose. It's the last political gasp of a man who made a very bad political bet. Predictably, he has and will continue to receive platitudes from Leftist circles over the next week who will use Flake as the tool that he is. But the republican base knows better.
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On October 25 2017 10:28 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 10:11 Wulfey_LA wrote:If you guys want to insist that Flake is a RINO, go for it. It is just proof that you cheer on the fakeness and lies of the Trumpist party. After listening to him, I have nothing but contempt for people who would call him a RINO. Senator Flake had principles and you Trumpists chased him out because he wouldn't clap loud enough for Dear Leader. The speech: + Show Spoiler + And we are to believe that you actually have anything resembling a passable grasp of conservative and American politics? Give me a break. At best, you've demonstrated the understanding of such things that one would receive from watching the Daily Show for two years. Flake's speech has nothing to do with conservative policy -- in either substance or purpose. It's the last political gasp of a man who made a very bad political bet. Predictably, he has and will continue to receive platitudes from Leftist circles over the next week who will use Flake as the tool that he is. But the republican base knows better.
So you concede the merits of Senator Flake's remarks? That Trump and the acquiescent Republican legislators have actively eroded our shared norms, values, and fidelity to the truth? I don't see a challenge to his remarks. I just see smug snearing and more clapping as Dear Leader's enemies are removed.
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On October 25 2017 10:39 Wulfey_LA wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 10:28 xDaunt wrote:On October 25 2017 10:11 Wulfey_LA wrote:If you guys want to insist that Flake is a RINO, go for it. It is just proof that you cheer on the fakeness and lies of the Trumpist party. After listening to him, I have nothing but contempt for people who would call him a RINO. Senator Flake had principles and you Trumpists chased him out because he wouldn't clap loud enough for Dear Leader. The speech: + Show Spoiler + And we are to believe that you actually have anything resembling a passable grasp of conservative and American politics? Give me a break. At best, you've demonstrated the understanding of such things that one would receive from watching the Daily Show for two years. Flake's speech has nothing to do with conservative policy -- in either substance or purpose. It's the last political gasp of a man who made a very bad political bet. Predictably, he has and will continue to receive platitudes from Leftist circles over the next week who will use Flake as the tool that he is. But the republican base knows better. So you concede the merits of Senator Flake's remarks? That Trump and the acquiescent Republican legislators have actively eroded our shared norms, values, and fidelity to the truth? I don't see a challenge to his remarks. I just see smug snearing and more clapping as Dear Leader's enemies are removed. Absolutely not, and I reject that theory wholeheartedly, which should be obvious from the numerous posts that I have made explaining the rise of Trump, the basis for his support, and the fall of American conservativism over the past few years. Trump is not the cause. He is the result. Conservatives failed. This is what politics look like when someone other than a gaggle of eunuchs is leading the opposition against the Left.
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Again, the opposition. Red team vs blue team. There is no goal of homogeneity, only division and opposition. Co-existence with the left is impossible for the modern conservative. Dominance is the only end game they accept.
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On October 25 2017 10:52 Plansix wrote: Again, the opposition. Red team vs blue team. There is no goal of homogeneity, only division and opposition. Co-existence with the left is impossible for the modern conservative. Dominance is the only end game they accept. It's not about us vs them. It's about policy and principle. My relentless criticism of the GOP should make that obvious. You need to ditch this stupid theory of yours.
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On October 25 2017 10:57 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 10:52 Plansix wrote: Again, the opposition. Red team vs blue team. There is no goal of homogeneity, only division and opposition. Co-existence with the left is impossible for the modern conservative. Dominance is the only end game they accept. It's not about us vs them. It's about policy and principle. My relentless criticism of the GOP should make that obvious. You need to ditch this stupid theory of yours.
Genuinely curious what principles you're talking about?
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On October 25 2017 10:28 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 10:11 Wulfey_LA wrote:If you guys want to insist that Flake is a RINO, go for it. It is just proof that you cheer on the fakeness and lies of the Trumpist party. After listening to him, I have nothing but contempt for people who would call him a RINO. Senator Flake had principles and you Trumpists chased him out because he wouldn't clap loud enough for Dear Leader. The speech: + Show Spoiler + And we are to believe that you actually have anything resembling a passable grasp of conservative and American politics? Give me a break. At best, you've demonstrated the understanding of such things that one would receive from watching the Daily Show for two years. Flake's speech has nothing to do with conservative policy -- in either substance or purpose. It's the last political gasp of a man who made a very bad political bet. Predictably, he has and will continue to receive platitudes from Leftist circles over the next week who will use Flake as the tool that he is. But the republican base knows better.
Yes, the Republican base prefers Donald Trump. And also would have never called Flake or Corker a RINO until they criticized Donald Trump (in response to Trump saying they couldn't be elected dog catcher).
But these are the days of Flight 93, where we must cast a vote for Donald Trump, because conservatism has failed, which means Donald Trump is the Democrats' fault. We just had to vote for Donald Trump, and it is totally the fault of liberals and the media.
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On October 25 2017 10:59 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2017 10:57 xDaunt wrote:On October 25 2017 10:52 Plansix wrote: Again, the opposition. Red team vs blue team. There is no goal of homogeneity, only division and opposition. Co-existence with the left is impossible for the modern conservative. Dominance is the only end game they accept. It's not about us vs them. It's about policy and principle. My relentless criticism of the GOP should make that obvious. You need to ditch this stupid theory of yours. Genuinely curious what principles you're talking about?
Take Senator Flake's speech. Reverse all the parts where he talks about truthtelling, norms, shared facts, and basic decency. Then mix in white butthurt and #MAGA. There you go. Conservative Principles.
EDIT: re Doodsmack, yeah, that spin is the best. The last people on earth to be responsible for the Presidency of Donald Trump are Republican voters who voted for him. Everyone else is somehow responsible. But those voters? Nah. Can't be those good, salt of the earth voters. The liberals triggered their white butthurt by talking about race too much. That damn Kaepernick tricked Republican voters into voting for a charlatan and a liar.
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