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Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4748 Posts
February 22 2014 02:29 GMT
#17861
We have Joe Biden as VP. So whether we care or not, he's there. There isn't anything more stupid than that.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
February 22 2014 02:35 GMT
#17862
On February 22 2014 11:29 Introvert wrote:
We have Joe Biden as VP. So whether we care or not, he's there. There isn't anything more stupid than that.


There's Sarah Palin. So, there's easily something more stupid than that.
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8508 Posts
February 22 2014 02:37 GMT
#17863
On February 22 2014 11:29 Introvert wrote:
We have Joe Biden as VP. So whether we care or not, he's there. There isn't anything more stupid than that.


On February 22 2014 11:35 Roe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2014 11:29 Introvert wrote:
We have Joe Biden as VP. So whether we care or not, he's there. There isn't anything more stupid than that.


There's Sarah Palin. So, there's easily something more stupid than that.


In completely unrelated news: The partisan bickering is going into the next round!
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4748 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-22 02:39:13
February 22 2014 02:38 GMT
#17864
On February 22 2014 11:35 Roe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2014 11:29 Introvert wrote:
We have Joe Biden as VP. So whether we care or not, he's there. There isn't anything more stupid than that.


There's Sarah Palin. So, there's easily something more stupid than that.


Sarah Palin isn't a representative of the US to foreign dignitaries when meeting with them, she sets no policy, and you are not forced to listen to her. Besides, I legitimately think that Joe Biden is more of an idiot. (If we accept that Palin is an idiot at all)

In completely unrelated news: The partisan bickering is going into the next round!


I want an excuse to post stupid Joe Biden clips.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 22 2014 02:49 GMT
#17865
joe biden is literally captain america. you are being unamerican
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8508 Posts
February 22 2014 03:07 GMT
#17866
On February 22 2014 11:49 oneofthem wrote:
joe biden is literally captain america. you are being unamerican


Palin matches wonderwoman pretty well I gotta say.

Though I bet not even wonderwoman could see russia from her house! :p
Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
February 22 2014 03:10 GMT
#17867
On February 22 2014 11:35 Roe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2014 11:29 Introvert wrote:
We have Joe Biden as VP. So whether we care or not, he's there. There isn't anything more stupid than that.


There's Sarah Palin. So, there's easily something more stupid than that.


I'd argue Barbara Boxer takes the cake (though Graham isn't far behind).
Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 22 2014 03:21 GMT
#17868
As ExxonMobil’s CEO, it’s Rex Tillerson’s job to promote the hydraulic fracturing enabling the recent oil and gas boom, and fight regulatory oversight. The oil company is the biggest natural gas producer in the U.S., relying on the controversial drilling technology to extract it.

The exception is when Tillerson’s $5 million property value might be harmed. Tillerson has joined a lawsuit that cites
fracking’s consequences in order to block the construction of a 160-foot water tower next to his and his wife’s Texas home.
The Wall Street Journal reports the tower would supply water to a nearby fracking site, and the plaintiffs argue the project would cause too much noise and traffic from hauling the water from the tower to the drilling site. The water tower, owned by Cross Timbers Water Supply Corporation, “will sell water to oil and gas explorers for fracing [sic] shale formations leading to traffic with heavy trucks on FM 407, creating a noise nuisance and traffic hazards,” the suit says.

Though Tillerson’s name is on the lawsuit, a lawyer representing him said his concern is about the devaluation of his property, not fracking specifically.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
lamprey1
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada919 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-22 04:20:58
February 22 2014 03:31 GMT
#17869
here is a great speech by a man who went on to become prez from 1980 to 1988.

this speech takes place in the height of the cold war.


"if barry goldwater became president he would stop the advance of socialism in the UNited States"
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 22 2014 03:34 GMT
#17870
On February 22 2014 07:10 Chocolate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2014 06:35 oneofthem wrote:
http://qz.com/179920/the-ceo-of-exxon-loves-fracking-as-long-as-it-doesnt-spoil-his-view/

I'm not saying he is a good person, but that seems like an article whose sole purpose is to rile up people already of a certain political persuasion and confirm their beliefs (hence the popularity of the article). Also keep in mind that CEOs are doing a job and want to do it well, so of course they are going to try to maximize profits (and it's not just the oil industry cutting corners...). Personally I think your job can involve one thing and you can think something else when it comes to you personally. I think annuities are wastes of money but if my job involved selling them I would want to do a damned good job.

This isn't that much better than articles decrying Obama for going on vacation when X political crisis is occurring.
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2014 07:03 zlefin wrote:
A special's being shown on cspan tonight at 8:00pm entitled "What's so great about America?"
not sure whether there's gonna be any interesting debate, or just a bunch of back-patting; but from the previews there might be something interesting to it.

Yeah, from the title it seems like it could be anything from a total roast to a circlejerk.

that's not a particularly leftist site. but the hypocrisy of the exxon guy is pretty obvious.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 22 2014 04:09 GMT
#17871
That desouza guy made quite a few factual mistakes of a rather blatant character. Ayers made some as well, though not quite as many I think, but I didn't count.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
February 22 2014 04:14 GMT
#17872
On February 22 2014 08:49 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2014 08:45 zlefin wrote:
Personally I'd prefer it be for thoughtful and serious debate about how to solve the problems facing our country.

Okay, I've been meaning to ask this for a while: how old are you? I'm guessing like 15. Even your posts still have spots.

tough day at the office, you've been extra salty tonight.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
February 22 2014 04:15 GMT
#17873
On February 22 2014 12:10 Wegandi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2014 11:35 Roe wrote:
On February 22 2014 11:29 Introvert wrote:
We have Joe Biden as VP. So whether we care or not, he's there. There isn't anything more stupid than that.


There's Sarah Palin. So, there's easily something more stupid than that.


I'd argue Barbara Boxer takes the cake (though Graham isn't far behind).

Well, all of you would be wrong. This is a *doctor*
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11507 Posts
February 22 2014 04:25 GMT
#17874
The weirdest thing about that video is the wall decoration. What the fuck. Why would anyone have dozens of deer heads staring into the room. That is even more crazy then the talking of that guy.
Yoav
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1874 Posts
February 22 2014 05:00 GMT
#17875
I'm with Simberto.

That said, the science-denial is a problem, and the denial of standard Christian theology is, to me, even more troubling. Neither the Catholic Church, nor any mainstream Christian body, holds with young-earth creationism. Even most evangelicals don't believe that. It takes a special kind of fundamentalist to insist on young-earth creationism, given that this debate was settled in the Church a century ago.
ey215
Profile Joined June 2010
United States546 Posts
February 22 2014 05:02 GMT
#17876
On February 22 2014 13:15 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2014 12:10 Wegandi wrote:
On February 22 2014 11:35 Roe wrote:
On February 22 2014 11:29 Introvert wrote:
We have Joe Biden as VP. So whether we care or not, he's there. There isn't anything more stupid than that.


There's Sarah Palin. So, there's easily something more stupid than that.


I'd argue Barbara Boxer takes the cake (though Graham isn't far behind).

Well, all of you would be wrong. This is a *doctor*
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBy3MbP4WDo


Ahhh, Paul Broun. My favorite story about him is directly related to that video:


Anti-evolution Congressman Paul Broun (R-Ga.) ran unopposed in Tuesday’s election, but nearly 4,000 voters wrote in Charles Darwin to protest their representative’s views. (Broun called evolution “lies straight from the pit of hell.”) Darwin fell more than 205,000 votes short of victory, but what would have happened if the father of evolution had out-polled Broun?


Source

I'm pretty conservative, but I swear to God if he wins the primary for Senate I'm voting for the Democrat.

Roswell
Profile Joined November 2013
United States250 Posts
February 22 2014 06:00 GMT
#17877
On February 22 2014 14:00 Yoav wrote:
I'm with Simberto.

That said, the science-denial is a problem, and the denial of standard Christian theology is, to me, even more troubling. Neither the Catholic Church, nor any mainstream Christian body, holds with young-earth creationism. Even most evangelicals don't believe that. It takes a special kind of fundamentalist to insist on young-earth creationism, given that this debate was settled in the Church a century ago.

Well technically in doctrine Young Earth believers have more points for their side. "If the world is truly millions even billions of hears old and was developed through evolution than that discredits Adam and Eve since animals only turned carnivorous after The Fall," and... "The bible is infallible, God created the earth in 7 24 hour days and by following various family trees the earth can be no older than 6000 years." Etc etc.

But yeah young earthers are a minority in the grand scheme of protestant / catholic beliefs. But then there are some who believe the earth was "created" mature just like Adam as a man, not as a baby. (So the earth/universe being created trillions of years in the matter of 1 day.) And then you have people who believe god created the universe/earth with the big bang.
"You are the bravest boy I have ever met"
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
February 22 2014 07:00 GMT
#17878
On February 22 2014 15:00 Roswell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2014 14:00 Yoav wrote:
I'm with Simberto.

That said, the science-denial is a problem, and the denial of standard Christian theology is, to me, even more troubling. Neither the Catholic Church, nor any mainstream Christian body, holds with young-earth creationism. Even most evangelicals don't believe that. It takes a special kind of fundamentalist to insist on young-earth creationism, given that this debate was settled in the Church a century ago.

And then you have people who believe god created the universe/earth with the big bang.

isnt this how major denominations have made peace with science? Basically god created things...via a scientific process more or less...
lamprey1
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada919 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-22 07:09:10
February 22 2014 07:07 GMT
#17879
science has created "dark energy" and "dark matter" to make sense of how various galaxies move.
and both of these look like "anti concepts" similar to "god" in order to balance all their equations.

bottom line is science really does not know why galaxies move in the way they do and so they've had to create "dark matter" and ackowledge they really don't know wtf is going on.

i'll give some cutting edge cosmologists credit for having the balls to admit how little they know about galaxies.
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
February 22 2014 07:16 GMT
#17880
On February 22 2014 16:07 lamprey1 wrote:
science has created "dark energy" and "dark matter" to make sense of how various galaxies move.
and both of these look like "anti concepts" similar to "god" in order to balance all their equations.

bottom line is science really does not know why galaxies move in the way they do and so they've had to create "dark matter" and ackowledge they really don't know wtf is going on.

i'll give some cutting edge cosmologists credit for having the balls to admit how little they know about galaxies.

If you put your stock in God for the unexplained, you're going to be sorely disappointed. Never has that bet paid off.
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