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Plansix
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{CC}StealthBlue
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farvacola
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Plansix
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Sometimes heroes from your childhood let you down. Other times you are surprised to find out they are still alive and kinda awesome. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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That's amazing. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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Kickboxer
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What if there's a rally violent enough to warrant the involvement of the guard? And then Trumpo does it, and the deep state people go full retard mode and mobilize the militias and... | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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If anything, conservative extremists would try out some nice treason, attempting another Civil War but not really a 50/50 split... Maybe 90/10? in favor of not seceding or destroying America. But it'll be the United States vs. those guys, not Left vs. Right. | ||
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Doodsmack
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"There's something going on with Obama and terrorism" "They're rapists, they're killers, and some are good people" "Blood coming out of her wherever" He's a dog whistler. To deny it is to over react to media hysteria at the expense of an accurate view of trump. | ||
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farvacola
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On August 14 2017 02:59 Kickboxer wrote: Is there a scenario where America is quietly on the verge of civil war? There are guns on both sides, both sides have some incredibly dark and twisted fringe groups sprinkled within them, dialogue is, absolutely, at an all time low, a mass of conspiracy theories are floating in the air ready to crash & cash in on the paranoia in case of a major debacle. What if there's a rally violent enough to warrant the involvement of the guard? And then Trumpo does it, and the deep state people go full retard mode and mobilize the militias and... Do you have any idea what happened during the 50s and 60s in the United States in terms of mass racial violence? If not, do you think speculating as to a potentially paranoia driven civil war from a place of ignorance relative to recent US history is in itself the product of paranoia borne from the mind of someone who considers himself a solider in a war against the traditional family structure? | ||
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Kickboxer
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On August 14 2017 03:01 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Please don't compare the left and right wing extremists. Right-wing extremists want to kill blacks and Muslims. Left-wing extremists want single-payer healthcare. What? An extremist is an extremist. The antifa burn cars and throw stones at police as well as assault civillians, they could easily have caused the first casualty. And I'd say you can find some pretty trigger happy people in the BLM ranks, too. Is any of the above incorrect? | ||
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TheTenthDoc
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On August 14 2017 03:06 Kickboxer wrote: What? An extremist is an extremist. The antifa burn cars and throw stones at police as well as assault civillians, they could easily have caused the first casualty. And I'd say you can find some pretty trigger happy people in the BLM ranks, too. Is any of the above incorrect? I don't think BLM shows up to protests open carrying handing out riot shields. Could be wrong though. Equating leftist protesters to organized militias is some Revenge of the Sith opening credits crawl "there are heroes on both sides" tier silliness. | ||
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Kickboxer
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Violence is violence, and that's about the formula for me. It's clear who is guilty of violence this time, and next time, when it's "your guys", I'm sure you will find a handy excuse. I'm just afraid the situation might be pretty serious, specifically as there seems to have been at least a decade with lack of any real discussion between any of these people on the volatile end of the spectrum. | ||
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Mohdoo
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On August 14 2017 03:09 Kickboxer wrote: I'm not at war with anyone, and I'm clearly not a soldier. I speak my mind and advocate for my opinions. Can't remember the last time I slapped someone, and I've been around a lot of people who deserved it. Violence is violence, and that's about the formula for me. It's clear who is guilty of violence this time, and next time, when it's "your guys", I'm sure you will find a handy excuse. I'm just afraid the situation might be pretty serious, specifically as there seems to have been at least a decade with lack of any real discussion between any of these people on the volatile end of the spectrum. The king of logic you are showing here doesn't make a distinction between Germany and the US during WW2. It feels like you're trying to come across as some fantastically logic, elevated individual who is able to see above the fray. But in reality, you're ignoring details to create a really shitty approximation. | ||
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farvacola
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On August 14 2017 03:09 Kickboxer wrote: I'm not at war with anyone, and I'm clearly not a soldier. I speak my mind and advocate for my opinions. Can't remember the last time I slapped someone, and I've been around a lot of people who deserved it. Violence is violence, and that's about the formula for me. It's clear who is guilty of violence this time, and next time, when it's "your guys", I'm sure you will find a handy excuse. I'm just afraid the situation might be pretty serious, specifically as there seems to have been at least a decade with lack of any real discussion between any of these people on the volatile end of the spectrum. Nah, you can claim "neutral observer" status all you want, the point of your posts belies an obvious agenda relative to getting others to admit to things that you think jive with your apparently incomplete understanding of American politics. These appeals to the center are being celebrated by wannabe nazis and yet here you are with "uhh, hey guys, aren't the literal nazi wannabes kinda right on this one?" as if that's somehow a play to an average that exists outside the mind of a Stormfront regular. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
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No, firebombing mosques, driving cars into crowds, opening fire on black churches, and taking over federal land with an armed militia is not the same as throwing rocks at people at protests. | ||
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Kickboxer
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Who was the first to get violent in WW2 by the way? Violence is violence, period. It's that easy. If your rock hits a bystander in the forehead, it's murder. So yes, antifa is violent and homicidal. And so is the alt-right. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46623 Posts
On August 14 2017 03:06 Kickboxer wrote: What? An extremist is an extremist. The antifa burn cars and throw stones at police as well as assault civillians, they could easily have caused the first casualty. And I'd say you can find some pretty trigger happy people in the BLM ranks, too. Is any of the above incorrect? Of course it is. No matter how many times people want to say BLM is a violent group, it simply isn't. Cherry picking a negligible number of BLM supporters and making a sweeping generalization about the organization isn't appropriate. And on a similar note, you simply can't compare anti-racist/ anti-fascist groups with the inherently violent and hateful groups they're opposing. The KKK and Nazis and other super-conservative white supremacists are inherently violent and hateful. The people who protest them or want to stop them are not equally-as-bad-just-the-other-side-of-the-spectrum. It's the same false equivalence that people make when they say that being intolerant of intolerance is just as bad as the group that's intolerant in the first place. That's simply not true. If I don't respect someone's decision to be prejudicial and bigoted, then I'm not stooping to their level and being just as bad; my lack of respect for them is justified. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
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On August 14 2017 03:15 Kickboxer wrote: Yes because war and peacetime are the same. And inter-national and intra-national conflicts, too. Who was the first to get violent in WW2 by the way? Violence is violence, period. It's that easy. If your rock hits a bystander in the forehead, it's murder. So yes, antifa is violent and homicidal. And so is the alt-right. I hope you understand this concept of generalized violence was a major plank in Osama bin Laden's arguments against the West that he used to found Al-Qaeda (sanctions = violence, taking land = violence, continued violence from the west shows them all to be extremists, they must be stopped with equivalent violence) | ||
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Mohdoo
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On August 14 2017 03:15 Kickboxer wrote: Yes because war and peacetime are the same. And inter-national and intra-national conflicts, too. Who was the first to get violent in WW2 by the way? Violence is violence, period. It's that easy. If your rock hits a bystander in the forehead, it's murder. So yes, antifa is violent and homicidal. And so is the alt-right. No. You keep trying to pretend details don't exist. I assure you, details are real. You are trying too hard to develop some kind of firm, black and white perspective on deeply complex issues. Why are you so obsessed with being able to make some sort of all-encompassing moral judgments? The world isn't programmed. It is a crazy, hot mess full of nuance and details. ANTIFA's scope and history can not even begin to be compared to Nazis | ||
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