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Tabbris
Bangladesh2839 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France7917 Posts
On August 13 2017 19:02 Tabbris wrote: Yea...I didn't bother responding to his last comment. Clearly no point when he plainly showed what he is. Did you expect smart, decent people to chat with on TheDonald? | ||
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Tabbris
Bangladesh2839 Posts
On August 13 2017 19:07 Biff The Understudy wrote: Did you expect smart, decent people to chat with on TheDonald? Surprisingly there are a few articulate people there although rare! But maybe I put my bar too low. I have a few Georgia tech friends who voted for trump and I can have some good convos with them to. But smarts doesn't equal sociopolitical smarts  it seems. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7917 Posts
On August 13 2017 19:15 Tabbris wrote: Surprisingly there are a few articulate people there although rare! But maybe I put my bar too low. I have a few Georgia tech friends who voted for trump and I can have some good convos with them to. But smarts doesn't equal sociopolitical smarts it seems.Well, the only Trump supporter I have ever met in Europe is a stellar pianist with an exquisite sensitivity who plays Mozart and Schubert like no one else. But then again, he used to be hardcore far left so maybe political savinness is not his forte. He thinks Breitbart is great and the NYT is "fake news". Maybe he also wants to shock; 99% of european musicians vomit the alt-right and Trump so he might find it subversive and cool to do the opposite. There is no doubt some bright people support Trump although it seems most of them loath him. We have some of them here (i don't think anyone here can pretend in good faith that xDaunt is not smart). But not all Trump supporters post on TheDonald. It's the new asshole of the internet. | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On August 13 2017 19:15 Tabbris wrote: Surprisingly there are a few articulate people there although rare! But maybe I put my bar too low. I have a few Georgia tech friends who voted for trump and I can have some good convos with them to. But smarts doesn't equal sociopolitical smarts it seems.When I'm totally honest with myself, I know very well I don't truely get all the ins and outs of politics. I just think our society is mostly serving the guys at the top and that protecting our planet should be the first priority as it concerns not only us but thousands of billions of people who are yet to be born. | ||
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farvacola
United States18838 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9716 Posts
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farvacola
United States18838 Posts
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On August 13 2017 22:24 farvacola wrote: The internet is starting to ID the folks in yesterday's images and I'm not sure how to feel about it. On one hand, internet justice tends to be inaccurate, clumsy, and oftentimes nothing like actual justice. On the other, it's hard not to feel satisfied when a tiki torch bearing douchebag gets ID'd as a youth intern for Dean Heller imo it's unacceptable to post their names online. Send your research to the police or a newspaper so they can be named by institutions with some sort of credibility and accountability. Though with the US police force / justice system you'll never know if the right eye suffer from a cataract. False information can lead to ruined lifes, especially without many workers' rights. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9716 Posts
On August 13 2017 22:43 farvacola wrote: "Guess you should have worn the hood" definitely seems an apt response lol. I didn't even see that this was funny when i posted it :/ haha | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On August 13 2017 22:43 Artisreal wrote: imo it's unacceptable to post their names online. Send your research to the police or a newspaper so they can be named by institutions with some sort of credibility and accountability. Though with the US police force / justice system you'll never know if the right eye suffer from a cataract. False information can lead to ruined lifes, especially without many workers' rights. I agree that IDs should be fact checked. Other than that, they had it coming, if every single one of them gets fired, they got no one to blame - not even free speech. As usual, free speech doesn't equal to free of consequences. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7917 Posts
I don't think there is much more to that person than a pathologically inflated and insecure ego. That makes him the absolute worst person to lead a country. I think that's the reason he seem to think Putin is a great guy and Merkel is the worst. | ||
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Slydie
1927 Posts
On August 13 2017 23:07 Biff The Understudy wrote: Thinking about it, and trying to rationalize his reaction, I don't even think Trump didn't condemn far right extremist by political calculation or because he is racist himself. It's guys praising him against guys criticizing him, and I believe he doesn't see further than that. I don't think there is much more to that person than a pathologically inflated and insecure ego. That makes him the absolute worst person to lead a country. I think that's the reason he seem to think Putin is a great guy and Merkel is the worst. Bernie recently showed that is perfectly possible to condemn your own supporters, if they are violent. And... you can strengthen yourself, and avoiding accusations by doing so. This is a giftwrap to the most fanatic of Trump's opposition. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7917 Posts
On August 13 2017 23:21 Slydie wrote: Bernie recently showed that is perfectly possible to condemn your own supporters, if they are violent. And... you can strengthen yourself, and avoiding accusations by doing so. This is a giftwrap to the most fanatic of Trump's opposition. Bernie is not an insecure megalomaniac with the emotional maturity of a 7 years old though. | ||
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warding
Portugal2394 Posts
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m4ini
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What I'm suggesting is that this might be precisely what's to be expected from regular politicians Yeah, no. Duterte, Trump and cohorts are not "regular politicians". His party openly criticised him for not calling it out. There's no "be careful with comments around religion, it might hurt people" considerations. We're talking plain and simple Neo-Nazis here. If you have to tread careful around Neo-Nazis, something's really, really wrong. If your base is fucking racists, neo nazis, white supremacists and the sorts, you might wanna consider not electing a disgusting being like him. So no. This is not what's expected from a regular politician. It's precisely the opposite of what i'd expect from a regular politician, but exactly what i'd expect from a challenged narcissist playing politician without both knowing the rules nor understanding them after having them explained. And the few he does understand, he conveniently ignores because president. Not to mention that his approval ratings will drop considerably more by not condemning racism, because while hard to believe, there's plenty of people who voted for him that aren't racists. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45041 Posts
On August 14 2017 00:39 warding wrote: Trump's down to 37% approval rating. If he starts pissing off part of his base his numbers will go down even further. What I'm suggesting is that this might be precisely what's to be expected from regular politicians - not everything is necessary a case of Trump being extraordinarily deplorable. Even Ted Cruz called out the horrors of this terrorist attack. Even. Ted. Cruz. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On August 14 2017 01:29 Plansix wrote: This was the thing people talked about through out 2016. That Trump's refusal to condemn David Duke and his ilk would embolden them. Violent racists and neo-Nazi were never part of the political discourse because we actively kept them out. The president isn't doing that and the Neo-Nazi's know it. And average police department is not equipped to deal with what happened yesterday. Most state governments are not equipped to deal with what happened yesterday without using the national guard. The Neo-Nazis are even saying directly that Trump has emboldened them with his rhetoric and lack thereof. And people still refuse to believe that there's a spike in hate crimes. It's unbelievable. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9716 Posts
Hahaha | ||
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