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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
August 09 2017 17:54 GMT
#166861
looks pretty routine adn expected to me.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
August 09 2017 18:09 GMT
#166862
What is interesting however is that on the same day as the FBI raid Trump called for firing the acting FBI director

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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
August 09 2017 18:11 GMT
#166863
Trump sure loves airing dirty laundry in the public forum. A sure fire sign of a bad leader.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 09 2017 18:13 GMT
#166864
On August 10 2017 02:48 Plansix wrote:
Yeah, search warrants are going to happen in this case, it is a criminal investigation. They don’t trust suspects to turn over all the evidence.

Show nested quote +
On August 10 2017 02:47 Doodsmack wrote:
It's the difference between getting a subpoena and being raided at dawn.

That is how search warrants work. There is nothing really suprising about this beyond it shows they have probable cause.



Mueller’s use of a search warrant tells us that he was able to establish on the basis of evidence, and to the satisfaction of a United States Magistrate-Judge, that there was probable cause to believe that evidence of a specific crime or crimes existed in the location to be searched. That standard is significantly higher than what is required to obtain a grand jury subpoena, which can be used to obtain any evidence that a grand jury (under the direction of a prosecutor) decides will be helpful to their investigation. Mueller’s resort to a search warrant shows, therefore, that his investigation has advanced, has identified specific potential crimes, and is zeroing in on key evidence. Since it was Manafort’s house that was searched, it is likely that he is implicated in the crimes, but that is not necessarily the case.


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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 09 2017 18:16 GMT
#166865
Doodsmack: Are you attempting to explain law to me in some way? Do you truly believe I don’t already know the information you just posted?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 09 2017 18:20 GMT
#166866
It's just not an inevitable event. It's a big deal.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 09 2017 18:20 GMT
#166867
On August 10 2017 03:09 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
What is interesting however is that on the same day as the FBI raid Trump called for firing the acting FBI director

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/890207082926022656


poor jeffy is getting thrown under the bus
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
August 09 2017 18:21 GMT
#166868
On August 10 2017 03:09 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
What is interesting however is that on the same day as the FBI raid Trump called for firing the acting FBI director

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/890207082926022656

He's really barking up the wrong tree again.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 09 2017 18:26 GMT
#166869
Sen. Ron Johnson, a Wisconsin Republican who voted in favor of the GOP plan to repeal parts of Obamacare last month, suggested Tuesday that Sen. John McCain’s deciding vote against the proposal may have been related to his brain cancer.

“I’m not going to speak for John McCain, you know, he has a brain tumor right now, that vote occurred at 1:30 in the morning, some of that might have factored in,” Johnson said on the radio program “Chicago’s Morning Answer.”

The comments immediately raised eyebrows and prompted some rebukes on Twitter Wednesday after they were first reported by CNN. Julie Tarallo, McCain's communications director, also criticized Johnson's comments.

“It is bizarre and deeply unfortunate that Senator Johnson would question the judgment of a colleague and friend," Tarallo said in a statement. "Senator McCain has been very open and clear about the reasons for his vote.”

In the interview, the radio host asked Johnson to clarify — “Really?” the host asked him, “You really think that that played a factor in his judgment call?” — and Johnson did not recant the comments.

“Again, I-I-I don't know exactly what — we really thought that — and again I don't want speak for any senator,” Johnson said. “I really thought John was going to vote yes to send that to conference at 10:30 at night.”

“By about 1, 1:30, he voted no, so you’d have talk to John for what was on his mind,” he continued.

McCain was diagnosed with an aggressive brain tumor last month and underwent surgery to remove it; he’s now receiving further treatment at home in Arizona.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42656 Posts
August 09 2017 18:30 GMT
#166870
"we really though the mentally ill man would vote in our favour, but he didn't, and so he shouldn't have been able to vote at all"
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 09 2017 18:33 GMT
#166871
On August 10 2017 03:20 Doodsmack wrote:
It's just not an inevitable event. It's a big deal.

Maybe for you. I had no zero doubt that search warrants would be used during the course of this investigation, giving the parties involved.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-09 18:37:36
August 09 2017 18:37 GMT
#166872
On August 10 2017 03:26 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
Sen. Ron Johnson, a Wisconsin Republican who voted in favor of the GOP plan to repeal parts of Obamacare last month, suggested Tuesday that Sen. John McCain’s deciding vote against the proposal may have been related to his brain cancer.

“I’m not going to speak for John McCain, you know, he has a brain tumor right now, that vote occurred at 1:30 in the morning, some of that might have factored in,” Johnson said on the radio program “Chicago’s Morning Answer.”

The comments immediately raised eyebrows and prompted some rebukes on Twitter Wednesday after they were first reported by CNN. Julie Tarallo, McCain's communications director, also criticized Johnson's comments.

“It is bizarre and deeply unfortunate that Senator Johnson would question the judgment of a colleague and friend," Tarallo said in a statement. "Senator McCain has been very open and clear about the reasons for his vote.”

In the interview, the radio host asked Johnson to clarify — “Really?” the host asked him, “You really think that that played a factor in his judgment call?” — and Johnson did not recant the comments.

“Again, I-I-I don't know exactly what — we really thought that — and again I don't want speak for any senator,” Johnson said. “I really thought John was going to vote yes to send that to conference at 10:30 at night.”

“By about 1, 1:30, he voted no, so you’d have talk to John for what was on his mind,” he continued.

McCain was diagnosed with an aggressive brain tumor last month and underwent surgery to remove it; he’s now receiving further treatment at home in Arizona.


Source


The Republican party of the United States, where preventing twenty million people from losing healthcare access is interpreted as a sign of mental illlness

These people have completely lost the plot, unbelievable. How they get more than 10% of the vote or let alone win elections.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 09 2017 18:41 GMT
#166873
On August 10 2017 03:30 KwarK wrote:
"we really though the mentally ill man would vote in our favour, but he didn't, and so he shouldn't have been able to vote at all"

Senator attempts to come to term with the idea that he got played by a man with brain cancer.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 09 2017 18:45 GMT
#166874
Go to CNN to watch a Sate Dept. Spokeswoman self destruct live on TV.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
August 09 2017 18:45 GMT
#166875


Man has a point, to be honest.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 09 2017 18:54 GMT
#166876
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44314 Posts
August 09 2017 18:58 GMT
#166877
On August 10 2017 03:45 Nevuk wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/895347654431035393

Man has a point, to be honest.


I agree lol. But it's because Republicans spent all their time whining about the ACA and not coming up with a decent replacement. Even Obama said that he'd happily endorse a healthcare plan by Republicans if it was better than the ACA.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8983 Posts
August 09 2017 19:02 GMT
#166878
On August 10 2017 03:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2017 03:45 Nevuk wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/895347654431035393

Man has a point, to be honest.


I agree lol. But it's because Republicans spent all their time whining about the ACA and not coming up with a decent replacement. Even Obama said that he'd happily endorse a healthcare plan by Republicans if it was better than the ACA.

When you know your opposition better than they know themselves. Obama was on a different level.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 09 2017 19:11 GMT
#166879
Before his sudden departure as communications adviser on July 31, Anthony Scaramucci implied in an interview that Mike Pence’s new chief of staff was hired to protect the vice president from the political turmoil roiling the Trump administration, perhaps to set up a bid for the presidency in 2020.

In an interview with the New Yorker’s Ryan Lizza — the very same interview in which the Mooch said White House chief strategist Steve Bannon’s self-regard was comparable to a stunning feat of bodily gymnastics — Scaramucci called attention to the man Pence announced as his new chief of staff on June 29, Nick Ayers.

“Why do you think Nick’s there, bro?” Scaramucci asked Lizza, referring to Ayers.

“Are you stupid?” Scaramucci continued. “Why is Nick there? Nick’s there to protect the vice president because the vice president can’t believe what the fuck is going on.”

Lizza published the quotes on Tuesday.

Ayers, a longtime political operative but a novice in government, was mentioned in a recent New York Times profile on Republicans — Pence, principally — who have engaged in what the Times called “a shadow campaign for 2020.”

“Mr. Ayers has signaled to multiple major Republican donors that Mr. Pence wants to be ready” for a potential presidential bid, the Times reported.

Pence slammed the New York Times’ reporting.

But Scaramucci’s quote to Lizza — and Scaramucci’s post-facto claims that he incorrectly believed the interview was off-the-record — lends some credence to the claim that Ayers’ presence in the White House is motivated at least partly by Pence’s political ambitions.

Scaramucci did not respond to Lizza’s requests for comment, so the reporter reflected on the comment with an open question: “Was Scaramucci suggesting that Ayers was meant to protect Pence from the fallout if and when Trump collapses politically, resigns, decides not to run for reelection, or is impeached?”


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4748 Posts
August 09 2017 19:33 GMT
#166880
Why did Trump endorse Strange then? wtf.

Also mooch was there for 10 days. what does he know about Pence really. and it's not like Pence can be fired. so weird.
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