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On August 10 2017 01:57 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2017 01:53 ticklishmusic wrote:On August 10 2017 01:42 Mohdoo wrote:On August 10 2017 01:40 LegalLord wrote:
Bleh, this "the definition of fascism" discussion again. Almost always a matter of "how can we loosely define governments we already don't like as kind of similar to Hitler?" Usually full of selective focus on disliked parties (Trump, Putin, CORPORATE evil) at the expense of focusing on fascist elements within any more sympathetically viewed group.
Forgive me for seeing a circlejerk in the making. One of the few discussions that are even worse: Defining "feminism" i'll call and raise you or racism or racy-ism.  That's more of a TL-exclusive thing. But point well taken. Any time the word "race" appears on this board, it's like a batman signal that results in 8 pages of nonsense.
Maybe if this country wasn't still systemically abusing black people we wouldn't have to inconvenience you with it's mention. I'll get right on getting white Americans to act right so you all aren't bothered.
JFC sometimes you guys... And they wonder why I'm not interested in the Democratic party...
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You seem triggered. Are you triggered?
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On August 10 2017 04:49 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
You seem triggered. Are you triggered?
One could post the same thing in response to your post tbqh.
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On August 10 2017 04:54 Artisreal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2017 04:49 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
You seem triggered. Are you triggered? One could post the same thing in response to your post tbqh.
Which one?
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On August 10 2017 04:49 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
You seem triggered. Are you triggered?
This is some low grade shit posting, even for this thread.
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You're looking for the term "microaggressed", for what it's worth. Triggers are a different concept.
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On August 10 2017 04:49 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
You seem triggered. Are you triggered?
Something about the disproportionate and systemic abuse of certain Americans constitutional rights and it's dismissal as a bothersome conversation is disgusting to me, yes. It does trigger a bit of a gag reflex.
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On August 10 2017 04:59 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2017 04:49 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
You seem triggered. Are you triggered? This is some low grade shit posting, even for this thread.
Of course it's low grade. GH threw out the democratic party when it wasn't even mentioned. I'll shit post all day when it's called for. Wouldn't you?
On August 10 2017 05:00 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2017 04:49 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
You seem triggered. Are you triggered? Something about the disproportionate and systemic abuse of certain Americans constitutional rights and it's dismissal as a bothersome conversation is disgusting to me, yes. It does trigger a bit of a gag reflex.
For what it's worth, I can understand your disgust of having it be tossed aside as an inconvenience for some people when the topic is brought up. That's why I typically stay away from the topic when it is being discussed in this thread. It doesn't get anywhere and it's always a few of the ones who've experienced said discrimination trying to explain everything. Such as you or myself.
On August 10 2017 05:03 Artisreal wrote:
You seem triggered about the casual reminder that an unfairness is put upon some people by the colour of their skin.
Which is also why such comments are worth posting IMO.
Oh no. I'm not. Read above. It seemed that he had a spasm of anger when he posted his comment. So I wanted to ask if he was triggered by that comment. The correct term was posted above, so I should learn to use that one instead.
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You seem triggered about the casual reminder that an unfairness is put upon some people by the colour of their skin.
Which is also why such comments are worth posting IMO.
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On August 10 2017 05:02 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2017 04:59 Plansix wrote:On August 10 2017 04:49 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
You seem triggered. Are you triggered? This is some low grade shit posting, even for this thread. Of course it's low grade. GH threw out the democratic party when it wasn't even mentioned. I'll shit post all day when it's called for. Wouldn't you?
The party wasn't mentioned, but it's members (or at least it's voters/advocates come election time) were the ones making the argument. There's some people I expect those kind of trash posts from, the people saying it weren't and I thought I was making that clear. Perhaps I could have done that better. But when it's not election season Democrats sound a lot like Mohdoo did. How actually discussing (let alone dealing with) racism is just a big garbagefest and not really worth their time.
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On August 10 2017 05:02 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2017 04:59 Plansix wrote:On August 10 2017 04:49 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
You seem triggered. Are you triggered? This is some low grade shit posting, even for this thread. Of course it's low grade. GH threw out the democratic party when it wasn't even mentioned. I'll shit post all day when it's called for. Wouldn't you?
Any shit post has to be of higher quality that the post it is shit talking. You have to try harder next time.
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On August 10 2017 05:05 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2017 05:02 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 10 2017 04:59 Plansix wrote:On August 10 2017 04:49 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
You seem triggered. Are you triggered? This is some low grade shit posting, even for this thread. Of course it's low grade. GH threw out the democratic party when it wasn't even mentioned. I'll shit post all day when it's called for. Wouldn't you? The party wasn't mentioned, but it's members (or at least it's voters/advocates come election time) were the ones making the argument. There's some people I expect those kind of trash posts from, the people saying it weren't and I thought I was making that clear. Perhaps I could have done that better. But when it's not election season Democrats sound a lot like Mohdoo did. How actually discussing (let alone dealing with) racism is just a big garbagefest and not really worth their time.
FWIW: I agree with you on pretty much every detail of what should be done to combat systematic societal racism. Where I disagree with you is what we can reasonably expect to happen and in what timeline. Our discussions fall apart when we talk about what we need to be asking all white people to do, every day. Similar to our Bernie disagreements, it is more of a disagreement as to what we focus on and when in hopes of gathering public support.
But I think if I was able to design our planet, I would institute almost every single change you'd suggest, up to and including post-slavery reparations. It is more so just the fact that you crank it up to 100 from the beginning. Just thought I'd comment on the fact that I think our ideal worlds are designed very similarly. We just hugely disagree on the most effective way to reach that goal.
If someone was campaigning on post-slavery reparations, I would vote against them because I think they would be more harm than good. If I was supreme leader of the planet, I would immediately institute post-slavery reparations.
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On August 10 2017 05:20 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2017 05:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 10 2017 05:02 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 10 2017 04:59 Plansix wrote:On August 10 2017 04:49 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
You seem triggered. Are you triggered? This is some low grade shit posting, even for this thread. Of course it's low grade. GH threw out the democratic party when it wasn't even mentioned. I'll shit post all day when it's called for. Wouldn't you? The party wasn't mentioned, but it's members (or at least it's voters/advocates come election time) were the ones making the argument. There's some people I expect those kind of trash posts from, the people saying it weren't and I thought I was making that clear. Perhaps I could have done that better. But when it's not election season Democrats sound a lot like Mohdoo did. How actually discussing (let alone dealing with) racism is just a big garbagefest and not really worth their time. FWIW: I agree with you on pretty much every detail of what should be done to combat systematic societal racism. Where I disagree with you is what we can reasonably expect to happen and in what timeline. Our discussions fall apart when we talk about what we need to be asking all white people to do, every day. Similar to our Bernie disagreements, it is more of a disagreement as to what we focus on and when in hopes of gathering public support. But I think if I was able to design our planet, I would institute almost every single change you'd suggest, up to and including post-slavery reparations. It is more so just the fact that you crank it up to 100 from the beginning. Just thought I'd comment on the fact that I think our ideal worlds are designed very similarly. We just hugely disagree on the most effective way to reach that goal.
Mostly because of how acceptable we find the current situation. The people these horrors are happening to feel sufficiently disconnected from yourself as you don't feel the kind of kinship that would require a level of empathy that would necessitate more aggressive action than you are willing to pursue. Something I more or less accept, but y'all can't be surprised when I call it the BS I think it is.
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Not knowing the background of so many here I find it tragic how not funny it is that some - possibly - white members tell gh that his way is not the right way of approaching a discrimination free world.
Ooh the irony is rich time and again.
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On August 10 2017 05:20 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2017 05:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 10 2017 05:02 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 10 2017 04:59 Plansix wrote:On August 10 2017 04:49 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
You seem triggered. Are you triggered? This is some low grade shit posting, even for this thread. Of course it's low grade. GH threw out the democratic party when it wasn't even mentioned. I'll shit post all day when it's called for. Wouldn't you? The party wasn't mentioned, but it's members (or at least it's voters/advocates come election time) were the ones making the argument. There's some people I expect those kind of trash posts from, the people saying it weren't and I thought I was making that clear. Perhaps I could have done that better. But when it's not election season Democrats sound a lot like Mohdoo did. How actually discussing (let alone dealing with) racism is just a big garbagefest and not really worth their time. FWIW: I agree with you on pretty much every detail of what should be done to combat systematic societal racism. Where I disagree with you is what we can reasonably expect to happen and in what timeline. Our discussions fall apart when we talk about what we need to be asking all white people to do, every day. Similar to our Bernie disagreements, it is more of a disagreement as to what we focus on and when in hopes of gathering public support. But I think if I was able to design our planet, I would institute almost every single change you'd suggest, up to and including post-slavery reparations. It is more so just the fact that you crank it up to 100 from the beginning. Just thought I'd comment on the fact that I think our ideal worlds are designed very similarly. We just hugely disagree on the most effective way to reach that goal. If someone was campaigning on post-slavery reparations, I would vote against them because I think they would be more harm than good. If I was supreme leader of the planet, I would immediately institute post-slavery reparations.
Under the Mohdoo regime, what would reparations look like?
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On August 10 2017 05:40 Artisreal wrote:
Not knowing the background of so many here I find it tragic how not funny it is that some - possibly - white members tell gh that his way is not the right way of approaching a discrimination free world.
Ooh the irony is rich time and again.
His way isn't. It's a two party system. If you won't sell your vote to either party you no longer have a vote. You sell it as dearly as you can but those who are too ideologically pure to sell it at all might as well not have the vote in the first place.
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On August 10 2017 05:42 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2017 05:40 Artisreal wrote:
Not knowing the background of so many here I find it tragic how not funny it is that some - possibly - white members tell gh that his way is not the right way of approaching a discrimination free world.
Ooh the irony is rich time and again. His way isn't. It's a two party system. If you won't sell your vote to either party you no longer have a vote. You sell it as dearly as you can but those who are too ideologically pure to sell it at all might as well not have the vote in the first place.
You want to address the whole if the Democratic candidate conspired with Iran thing that came up where I mentioned this argument?
If you don't have standards you've already given up your vote.
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A federal judge on Wednesday rejected a last-ditch attempt by Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) to avoid trial on corruption charges.
U.S. District Court Judge William H. Walls did not rule on the merits of Menendez’s argument that the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision to toss former Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell’s corruption conviction should invalidate his own indictment.
But Walls said that should be determined at Menendez’s trial, which is scheduled to start Sept. 6.
“Whether the acts alleged in the Superseding Indictment satisfy the definition of an ‘official act’ under McDonnell is a factual determination that cannot be resolved before the Government has the opportunity to present evidence at trial,” Walls wrote. “Under McDonnell, evidence of non-official acts may still be relevant evidence in the prosecution of a federal bribery claim.”
Menendez’s attorneys argued in court papers last month that the government’s indictment relies on a flawed “stream of benefits theory” that the Supreme Court rejected when it overturned the conviction of McDonnell, who had been found guilty of doing favors for a wealthy businessman who showered him and his wife with gifts.
Prosecutors allege that Menendez did political favors for Florida eye doctor Salomon Melgen, his friend, in exchange for lavish vacations, private jet flights and campaign contributions.
Among the charges is that Menendez met with then-Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius to argue that the federal government was being unfair to Melgen, who was involved in a multimillion-dollar billing dispute with the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, prosecutors allege. Melgen was found guilty in April of Medicare fraud and potentially faces 20 years in prison.
The senator also allegedly pressed U.S. officials to pressure the Dominican Republic to honor a port security contract that would have benefited a company Melgen owned, and interceded with officials to get visas for then-married Melgen’s foreign girlfriends.
Walls in his order wrote that the charges against Menendez “are not legally deficient to prevent their going to a jury.”
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On August 10 2017 05:40 Artisreal wrote:
Not knowing the background of so many here I find it tragic how not funny it is that some - possibly - white members tell gh that his way is not the right way of approaching a discrimination free world.
Ooh the irony is rich time and again.
well, there's quite a lot of issues there with a whole lot of baggage that comes from long running threads; suffice to say it's complicated;
and I'd say tragic is too strong a word, and i'd suppose the irony is technically correct, but not functionally correct, i'd have ot double check the exact meaning of irony. If you or someone else wnats more info on it I could pm them; but it's best not relitigated in thread imho.
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On August 10 2017 05:45 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2017 05:42 KwarK wrote:On August 10 2017 05:40 Artisreal wrote:
Not knowing the background of so many here I find it tragic how not funny it is that some - possibly - white members tell gh that his way is not the right way of approaching a discrimination free world.
Ooh the irony is rich time and again. His way isn't. It's a two party system. If you won't sell your vote to either party you no longer have a vote. You sell it as dearly as you can but those who are too ideologically pure to sell it at all might as well not have the vote in the first place. You want to address the whole if the Democratic candidate conspired with Iran thing that came up where I mentioned this argument? If you don't have standards you've already given up your vote.
That's not how it works. If one candidate was Hitler and the other Stalin I'd still vote for one of the two because ultimately it is still possible to have a preference between the two. However it would never get to that point because it's a race to the top, not a race to the bottom. You'll say that my logic means that a party only need run a candidate slightly less awful than the other side to win and that's true. But if both parties are trying to run a candidate slightly less awful than the other side's candidate then that is a self improving cycle.
It's simple game theory. It sucks but that doesn't mean it's not true. If one candidate vows to kill 10,000,000 people and another vows to kill 9,000,000 then every abstention is a vote of disinterest in whether those 1,000,000 people live or die. Every vote for killing 9,000,000 people will be analysed by politicians and the "kill 10,000,000 people party" will conclude that a significant number of likely voters think that the number of people killed should be lower, and next year they'll run as the "kill 8,000,000 people party". After a few cycles you'll have a "kill nobody, and also fund schools party".
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