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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42655 Posts
July 11 2017 20:43 GMT
#161141
On July 12 2017 05:41 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2017 05:38 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
The story continues, the Emin and Aras mentioned in the email chain from Donald Jr., were working with him and Ivanka on a Trump Towers Moscow project. 'never had any dealings with Russia' turns out to be another lie. It also provides a possible motive for the administration trying to lift sanctions.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/new-details-emerge-moscow-real-estate-deal-led-trump-kremlin-alliance-190126219.html

While in Moscow for the Miss Universe pageant in November 2013, Donald Trump entered into a formal business deal with Aras Agalarov, a Russian oligarch close to Vladimir Putin, to construct a Trump Tower in the Russian capital. He later assigned his son, Donald Trump Jr., to oversee the project, according to Rob Goldstone, the British publicist who arranged the controversial 2016 meeting between the younger Trump and a Kremlin-linked lawyer.

Trump has dismissed the idea he had any business deals in Russia, saying at one point last October, “I have nothing to do with Russia.”

But Goldstone’s account, provided in an extensive interview in March in New York, offers new details of the proposed Trump project that appears to have been further along than most previous reports have suggested, and even included a trip by Ivanka Trump to Moscow to identify potential sites.

According to the publicist, the project — structured as a licensing deal in which Agalarov would build the tower with Trump’s name on it — was only abandoned after the Russian economy floundered. The economic downturn resulted in part from sanctions imposed by the U.S. and the European Union following Russia’s intervention in Ukraine.

Goldstone’s version of events implies a possible explanation for Trump’s interest in lifting sanctions on Russia — a policy move his administration quietly pursued in its first few weeks until it ran into strong opposition from members of Congress and officials within the State Department.


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While in Moscow for the Miss Universe pageant in November 2013, Donald Trump entered into a formal business deal with Aras Agalarov, a Russian oligarch close to Vladimir Putin, to construct a Trump Tower in the Russian capital. He later assigned his son, Donald Trump Jr., to oversee the project, according to Rob Goldstone, the British publicist who arranged the controversial 2016 meeting between the younger Trump and a Kremlin-linked lawyer.

Trump has dismissed the idea he had any business deals in Russia, saying at one point last October, “I have nothing to do with Russia.”

But Goldstone’s account, provided in an extensive interview in March in New York, offers new details of the proposed Trump project that appears to have been further along than most previous reports have suggested, and even included a trip by Ivanka Trump to Moscow to identify potential sites.

According to the publicist, the project — structured as a licensing deal in which Agalarov would build the tower with Trump’s name on it — was only abandoned after the Russian economy floundered. The economic downturn resulted in part from sanctions imposed by the U.S. and the European Union following Russia’s intervention in Ukraine.

Goldstone’s version of events implies a possible explanation for Trump’s interest in lifting sanctions on Russia — a policy move his administration quietly pursued in its first few weeks until it ran into strong opposition from members of Congress and officials within the State Department.

Goldstone placed Donald Trump Jr. at the center of the Trump Tower deal, saying that his father assigned his eldest son the job of moving the project to fruition after the signing of a “letter of intent” between the Trump Organization and Agalarov’s company, the Crocus Group. It is not clear if the future president personally signed the “letter of intent,” but Michael Cohen, a longtime lawyer for Trump, told Yahoo News Tuesday that it would have been standard practice for Trump, as president of the Trump Organization, to do so.

Goldstone also said that Ivanka Trump flew to Moscow in 2014 and met with Emin Agalarov, the oligarch’s son, a pop singer and a vice president of the Crocus Group, to identify sites for the project.

Trump “put Donald Jr. in charge and then Ivanka went to Moscow to look around for what the location would be,” Goldstone said. But the plans for a Trump Tower fell apart because “the economy tanked in Russia’’ after the imposition of Western sanctions, he said.

Goldstone, a British-born publicist who once did worked for Michael Jackson, represents Emin Agalarov in his music career and was present in Moscow during the Miss Universe pageant when the Trump Tower project was discussed by Trump and Aras Agalarov. His role has gotten new attention this week after the New York Times disclosed that Goldstone emailed Donald Trump Jr. in June 2016 urging him to meet with a Russian lawyer to receive damaging information from the Russian government about Hillary Clinton.

Trump Jr. released his email exchange with Goldstone on Tuesday, confirming the key role of the publicist and, more significantly, the Agalarovs, in offering negative information about Clinton on behalf of the Kremlin. “Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting,” Goldstone wrote Trump Jr. on June 3, 2016.

A chief prosecutor in Russia “offered to provide the Trump campaign some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and would be very useful to your father. This is very high-level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support of Mr. Trump — helped along by Aras and Emin.”

Alan Garten, the chief lawyer for the Trump Organization, did not respond to requests for comment. In a telephone interview, Cohen, who is Trump’s personal lawyer, did not dispute any specific details of Goldstone’s account but offered to check them. He did not later respond. But Cohen adamantly rejected the idea there was anything improper about meeting with the Russian lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, given that Trump Jr. was told she might have information helpful to Trump’s campaign. “The purpose of the election is to win,” said Cohen, adding, “Why is this any different?” than the unverified “dossier” on Trump’s ties to Russia prepared by a former British spy working for a Washington research firm hired by his political opponents.

Trump Jr., accompanied by then campaign manager Paul Manafort and senior adviser Jared Kushner, met with the Russian lawyer at Goldstone’s request to review the information she purported to have. “He met with her face-to-face to determine” the validity of the advertised documents and “no information was provided.”

Goldstone had played a key role in helping to broker the initial decision by the Miss Universe pageant — then owned by the Trump Organization and NBC — to hold its 2013 contest in Moscow.

According to Goldstone, he pitched the idea to Paula Schugart, then chief executive of Miss Universe, as a way to promote the music career of Emin Agalarov. Schugart was initially hesitant because of concerns about red tape in Moscow. “What if you had a partner who owns the biggest venue in Moscow?” Emin Agalarov responded, according to Goldstone’s account. “Between myself and my father, we can cut through the red tape. You have a new partner.”

The plans to bring Miss Universe to Moscow was announced by Trump in Las Vegas in June 2013 during the Miss USA contest. Trump at the time quickly expressed hope that it would lead to a meeting with Putin. “Do you think Putin will be going to the Miss Universe pageant in November in Moscow — if so, will he become my new best friend?” Trump had tweeted at the time.

A meeting with Putin never came off during Trump’s Moscow trip; the Kremlin expressed regret that the Russian president wouldn’t be able to fit it into his schedule on the day in question because he had a meeting with the King of Holland. But the trip gave Trump an opportunity to discuss the plans for the Trump Tower in Moscow with Agalarov, a billionaire who has been called “the Trump of Russia” and “Putin’s builder” because of massive construction projects he has done on behalf of the Kremlin. Just 10 days before the Miss Universe pageant, Putin had given Agalarov a prestigious award at a ceremony at the Kremlin: Order of Honor of the Russian Federation.

In an interview with Forbes this March, Emin Agalarov confirmed the plans for Trump Tower in Moscow. “We thought that building a Trump Tower next to an Agalarov tower — having the two big names — could be a really cool project to execute,” Emin Agalarov told the magazine. Agalarov blamed the abandonment of the project on Trump’s decision to run for president, rather than the imposition of sanctions. “He ran for president, so we dropped the idea,” Agalarov said. “But if he hadn’t run, we would probably be in the construction phase today.”

But Emin Agalarov said he and the now president have continued to stay in touch, saying that Trump sent a handwritten note to the Agalaovs in November after they congratulated him on his victory. “Now that he ran and was elected, he does not forget his friends.”




Do we have any idea who the 'Rhona' mentioned is?

http://www.businessinsider.com/who-is-rhona-graff-trumps-assistant-2017-07
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
July 11 2017 20:46 GMT
#161142
On July 12 2017 05:43 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2017 05:41 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On July 12 2017 05:38 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
The story continues, the Emin and Aras mentioned in the email chain from Donald Jr., were working with him and Ivanka on a Trump Towers Moscow project. 'never had any dealings with Russia' turns out to be another lie. It also provides a possible motive for the administration trying to lift sanctions.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/new-details-emerge-moscow-real-estate-deal-led-trump-kremlin-alliance-190126219.html

While in Moscow for the Miss Universe pageant in November 2013, Donald Trump entered into a formal business deal with Aras Agalarov, a Russian oligarch close to Vladimir Putin, to construct a Trump Tower in the Russian capital. He later assigned his son, Donald Trump Jr., to oversee the project, according to Rob Goldstone, the British publicist who arranged the controversial 2016 meeting between the younger Trump and a Kremlin-linked lawyer.

Trump has dismissed the idea he had any business deals in Russia, saying at one point last October, “I have nothing to do with Russia.”

But Goldstone’s account, provided in an extensive interview in March in New York, offers new details of the proposed Trump project that appears to have been further along than most previous reports have suggested, and even included a trip by Ivanka Trump to Moscow to identify potential sites.

According to the publicist, the project — structured as a licensing deal in which Agalarov would build the tower with Trump’s name on it — was only abandoned after the Russian economy floundered. The economic downturn resulted in part from sanctions imposed by the U.S. and the European Union following Russia’s intervention in Ukraine.

Goldstone’s version of events implies a possible explanation for Trump’s interest in lifting sanctions on Russia — a policy move his administration quietly pursued in its first few weeks until it ran into strong opposition from members of Congress and officials within the State Department.


full text
+ Show Spoiler +

While in Moscow for the Miss Universe pageant in November 2013, Donald Trump entered into a formal business deal with Aras Agalarov, a Russian oligarch close to Vladimir Putin, to construct a Trump Tower in the Russian capital. He later assigned his son, Donald Trump Jr., to oversee the project, according to Rob Goldstone, the British publicist who arranged the controversial 2016 meeting between the younger Trump and a Kremlin-linked lawyer.

Trump has dismissed the idea he had any business deals in Russia, saying at one point last October, “I have nothing to do with Russia.”

But Goldstone’s account, provided in an extensive interview in March in New York, offers new details of the proposed Trump project that appears to have been further along than most previous reports have suggested, and even included a trip by Ivanka Trump to Moscow to identify potential sites.

According to the publicist, the project — structured as a licensing deal in which Agalarov would build the tower with Trump’s name on it — was only abandoned after the Russian economy floundered. The economic downturn resulted in part from sanctions imposed by the U.S. and the European Union following Russia’s intervention in Ukraine.

Goldstone’s version of events implies a possible explanation for Trump’s interest in lifting sanctions on Russia — a policy move his administration quietly pursued in its first few weeks until it ran into strong opposition from members of Congress and officials within the State Department.

Goldstone placed Donald Trump Jr. at the center of the Trump Tower deal, saying that his father assigned his eldest son the job of moving the project to fruition after the signing of a “letter of intent” between the Trump Organization and Agalarov’s company, the Crocus Group. It is not clear if the future president personally signed the “letter of intent,” but Michael Cohen, a longtime lawyer for Trump, told Yahoo News Tuesday that it would have been standard practice for Trump, as president of the Trump Organization, to do so.

Goldstone also said that Ivanka Trump flew to Moscow in 2014 and met with Emin Agalarov, the oligarch’s son, a pop singer and a vice president of the Crocus Group, to identify sites for the project.

Trump “put Donald Jr. in charge and then Ivanka went to Moscow to look around for what the location would be,” Goldstone said. But the plans for a Trump Tower fell apart because “the economy tanked in Russia’’ after the imposition of Western sanctions, he said.

Goldstone, a British-born publicist who once did worked for Michael Jackson, represents Emin Agalarov in his music career and was present in Moscow during the Miss Universe pageant when the Trump Tower project was discussed by Trump and Aras Agalarov. His role has gotten new attention this week after the New York Times disclosed that Goldstone emailed Donald Trump Jr. in June 2016 urging him to meet with a Russian lawyer to receive damaging information from the Russian government about Hillary Clinton.

Trump Jr. released his email exchange with Goldstone on Tuesday, confirming the key role of the publicist and, more significantly, the Agalarovs, in offering negative information about Clinton on behalf of the Kremlin. “Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting,” Goldstone wrote Trump Jr. on June 3, 2016.

A chief prosecutor in Russia “offered to provide the Trump campaign some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and would be very useful to your father. This is very high-level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support of Mr. Trump — helped along by Aras and Emin.”

Alan Garten, the chief lawyer for the Trump Organization, did not respond to requests for comment. In a telephone interview, Cohen, who is Trump’s personal lawyer, did not dispute any specific details of Goldstone’s account but offered to check them. He did not later respond. But Cohen adamantly rejected the idea there was anything improper about meeting with the Russian lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, given that Trump Jr. was told she might have information helpful to Trump’s campaign. “The purpose of the election is to win,” said Cohen, adding, “Why is this any different?” than the unverified “dossier” on Trump’s ties to Russia prepared by a former British spy working for a Washington research firm hired by his political opponents.

Trump Jr., accompanied by then campaign manager Paul Manafort and senior adviser Jared Kushner, met with the Russian lawyer at Goldstone’s request to review the information she purported to have. “He met with her face-to-face to determine” the validity of the advertised documents and “no information was provided.”

Goldstone had played a key role in helping to broker the initial decision by the Miss Universe pageant — then owned by the Trump Organization and NBC — to hold its 2013 contest in Moscow.

According to Goldstone, he pitched the idea to Paula Schugart, then chief executive of Miss Universe, as a way to promote the music career of Emin Agalarov. Schugart was initially hesitant because of concerns about red tape in Moscow. “What if you had a partner who owns the biggest venue in Moscow?” Emin Agalarov responded, according to Goldstone’s account. “Between myself and my father, we can cut through the red tape. You have a new partner.”

The plans to bring Miss Universe to Moscow was announced by Trump in Las Vegas in June 2013 during the Miss USA contest. Trump at the time quickly expressed hope that it would lead to a meeting with Putin. “Do you think Putin will be going to the Miss Universe pageant in November in Moscow — if so, will he become my new best friend?” Trump had tweeted at the time.

A meeting with Putin never came off during Trump’s Moscow trip; the Kremlin expressed regret that the Russian president wouldn’t be able to fit it into his schedule on the day in question because he had a meeting with the King of Holland. But the trip gave Trump an opportunity to discuss the plans for the Trump Tower in Moscow with Agalarov, a billionaire who has been called “the Trump of Russia” and “Putin’s builder” because of massive construction projects he has done on behalf of the Kremlin. Just 10 days before the Miss Universe pageant, Putin had given Agalarov a prestigious award at a ceremony at the Kremlin: Order of Honor of the Russian Federation.

In an interview with Forbes this March, Emin Agalarov confirmed the plans for Trump Tower in Moscow. “We thought that building a Trump Tower next to an Agalarov tower — having the two big names — could be a really cool project to execute,” Emin Agalarov told the magazine. Agalarov blamed the abandonment of the project on Trump’s decision to run for president, rather than the imposition of sanctions. “He ran for president, so we dropped the idea,” Agalarov said. “But if he hadn’t run, we would probably be in the construction phase today.”

But Emin Agalarov said he and the now president have continued to stay in touch, saying that Trump sent a handwritten note to the Agalaovs in November after they congratulated him on his victory. “Now that he ran and was elected, he does not forget his friends.”




Do we have any idea who the 'Rhona' mentioned is?

http://www.businessinsider.com/who-is-rhona-graff-trumps-assistant-2017-07


I suppose that would've been easy enough to google. Like the distraught journalist, I figured that info might be harder to find.
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
July 11 2017 20:56 GMT
#161143
One of my favorite tidbits of all of this was that part of team Trump's defense is that they ending up discussing Russian adoption at the meeting rather than the Clinton dirt...when the Russian adoption laws in question were specifically retaliatory against American sanctions and would never change without lifting those sanctions. Smells like quid pro quo to me.

It's like they count on people to not actually read anything or do rudimentary googling. Not surprising since they don't read or do rudimentary googling, I guess.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42655 Posts
July 11 2017 20:58 GMT
#161144
"This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump," Goldstone wrote in the email to Trump Jr.
"If it's what you say I love it," Trump Jr. replied, according to the email he released.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/11/politics/trump-jr-russia-lawyer-emails/index.html

It's a literal confession.
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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
July 11 2017 21:05 GMT
#161145
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8982 Posts
July 11 2017 21:11 GMT
#161146
So there was an effort to conspire to collude. It fell through. That's where we are at. Am I reading this right? Now we have basically the entire top of the trump campaign in some sort of obstruction, collusion, foreign agents, conspiracy, and perjury. Am I missing anything?
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 11 2017 21:14 GMT
#161147
Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-11 21:17:29
July 11 2017 21:15 GMT
#161148
On July 12 2017 06:11 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
So there was an effort to conspire to collude. It fell through. That's where we are at. Am I reading this right? Now we have basically the entire top of the trump campaign in some sort of obstruction, collusion, foreign agents, conspiracy, and perjury. Am I missing anything?


Speculation: the next shoe to drop is a memo from Rhona (Trump's longtime secretary and coordinator) to Trump himself about the prospect of getting hacked emails from the Russians.

EDIT: YES to above! That is exactly the threat! The meeting to get dirt on HRC from the Russians itself was compromising for Trump. At any time Russia could threaten to reveal more meetings and emails and put pressure on the President of the United States. Who needs pee tapes when you have records of meetings that could be the basis for Criminal Conspiracy charges against the President and his underlings.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 11 2017 21:20 GMT
#161149
A criminal conspiracy to do what, exactly?
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
July 11 2017 21:24 GMT
#161150
On July 12 2017 06:20 xDaunt wrote:
A criminal conspiracy to do what, exactly?

To get Trump elected.
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-11 21:25:48
July 11 2017 21:25 GMT
#161151
On July 12 2017 06:11 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
So there was an effort to conspire to collude. It fell through. That's where we are at. Am I reading this right? Now we have basically the entire top of the trump campaign in some sort of obstruction, collusion, foreign agents, conspiracy, and perjury. Am I missing anything?


It only fell through if you believe Jr. and the lawyer when they say that nothing of value was said at or came from the meeting. That requires a pretty big leap of faith though; they can't even agree about what was talked about at the meeting.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21667 Posts
July 11 2017 21:25 GMT
#161152
On July 12 2017 06:11 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
So there was an effort to conspire to collude. It fell through. That's where we are at. Am I reading this right? Now we have basically the entire top of the trump campaign in some sort of obstruction, collusion, foreign agents, conspiracy, and perjury. Am I missing anything?

We don't know if that effort fell through. We know that there was a meeting about dirt on Clinton and then later wikileaks released dirt on Clinton.

Speculation follows:
It is very possible that Russia bought concessions during this meeting in exchange for giving Wikileaks the Clinton emails.
By using Wikileaks it makes Trump look better then if he leaked them himself.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42655 Posts
July 11 2017 21:26 GMT
#161153
On July 12 2017 06:20 xDaunt wrote:
A criminal conspiracy to do what, exactly?

Obtain illegally obtained information from a foreign government for the purpose of influencing the election.
Good morning

Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.

The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin.

What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?

I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.

Best

Rob Goldstone

Thanks Rob I appreciate that. I am on the road at the moment but perhaps I just speak to Emin first. Seems we have some time and if it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer. Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?

Best,

Don


https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/110.20
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-11 21:30:59
July 11 2017 21:28 GMT
#161154
On July 12 2017 06:20 xDaunt wrote:
A criminal conspiracy to do what, exactly?

Violate campaign finance laws. And I’m sure there are other laws prohibiting election campaigns accepting material support from foreign governments. They should have called the FBI and never accepted the meeting.

And lets not even get into the number of things they may be done wrong if they were told about the DNC hack before the leaks happened. Even if it was hinted at, but they were not sure, once the leak happened they would have known the Russians did it to help them.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 11 2017 21:33 GMT
#161155
On July 12 2017 06:26 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2017 06:20 xDaunt wrote:
A criminal conspiracy to do what, exactly?

Obtain illegally obtained information from a foreign government for the purpose of influencing the election.
Show nested quote +
Good morning

Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.

The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin.

What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?

I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.

Best

Rob Goldstone

Show nested quote +
Thanks Rob I appreciate that. I am on the road at the moment but perhaps I just speak to Emin first. Seems we have some time and if it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer. Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?

Best,

Don


https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/110.20


I'm not sure that those regulations prohibit the receipt of opposition research from a foreign national. It also doesn't look like those regulations relate to criminal statutes (the enabling statutes aren't in Title 18).
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
July 11 2017 21:36 GMT
#161156
On July 12 2017 06:33 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2017 06:26 KwarK wrote:
On July 12 2017 06:20 xDaunt wrote:
A criminal conspiracy to do what, exactly?

Obtain illegally obtained information from a foreign government for the purpose of influencing the election.
Good morning

Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.

The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin.

What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?

I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.

Best

Rob Goldstone

Thanks Rob I appreciate that. I am on the road at the moment but perhaps I just speak to Emin first. Seems we have some time and if it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer. Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?

Best,

Don


https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/110.20


I'm not sure that those regulations prohibit the receipt of opposition research from a foreign national. It also doesn't look like those regulations relate to criminal statutes (the enabling statutes aren't in Title 18).

A+ on distorting reality.
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Netherlands21667 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-11 21:37:23
July 11 2017 21:37 GMT
#161157
On July 12 2017 06:33 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2017 06:26 KwarK wrote:
On July 12 2017 06:20 xDaunt wrote:
A criminal conspiracy to do what, exactly?

Obtain illegally obtained information from a foreign government for the purpose of influencing the election.
Good morning

Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.

The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin.

What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?

I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.

Best

Rob Goldstone

Thanks Rob I appreciate that. I am on the road at the moment but perhaps I just speak to Emin first. Seems we have some time and if it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer. Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?

Best,

Don


https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/110.20


I'm not sure that those regulations prohibit the receipt of opposition research from a foreign national. It also doesn't look like those regulations relate to criminal statutes (the enabling statutes aren't in Title 18).

Setting aside the legality of the entire situation.

Do you now accept that the Russian investigation is not a hoax and that (thanks to Donald Jr) there is now proof of Russia directly interacting with the highest levels of the Trump campaign (leaving aside the question if they accepted the help or not, that would be the next step to prove).
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42655 Posts
July 11 2017 21:37 GMT
#161158
Are we calling this opposition research now? Also you're using the words foreign national rather than foreign government. The emails explain that it is part of "Russian and its government's support for Mr. Trump".
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Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-11 21:38:52
July 11 2017 21:38 GMT
#161159
A conspiracy to get illegally acquired information on HRC released later in summer. From the transcripts of the emails we know they were asking for dirt on HRC and knew it was coming from the Russian government. While we don't have it ... yet ... all we would need is one ask for those hacked emails and that makes the agreement.

Goldstone:
This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump—helped along by Aras and Emin.

DonJR:
Seems we have some time and if it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/donald-trumps-jrs-email-exchange/533244/
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-11 21:42:46
July 11 2017 21:39 GMT
#161160
On July 12 2017 06:33 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2017 06:26 KwarK wrote:
On July 12 2017 06:20 xDaunt wrote:
A criminal conspiracy to do what, exactly?

Obtain illegally obtained information from a foreign government for the purpose of influencing the election.
Good morning

Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.

The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin.

What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?

I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.

Best

Rob Goldstone

Thanks Rob I appreciate that. I am on the road at the moment but perhaps I just speak to Emin first. Seems we have some time and if it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer. Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?

Best,

Don


https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/110.20


I'm not sure that those regulations prohibit the receipt of opposition research from a foreign national. It also doesn't look like those regulations relate to criminal statutes (the enabling statutes aren't in Title 18).

(b)Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.


There is no question that the information the Russians were offering was of value. All opposition research as price tag associated with it. It also prohibits knowingly solicit from a foreign government. Even accepting the meeting is attempting to obtain. There are a few lawyers deep in the campaign finance realm saying the meeting would run afoul of the law.

On July 12 2017 06:37 KwarK wrote:
Are we calling this opposition research now? Also you're using the words foreign national rather than foreign government. The emails explain that it is part of "Russian and its government's support for Mr. Trump".


It doesn't matter what he calls it. It has value. The law prohibits any support, money or otherwise. If the German goverment walks up with Clinton's personal diary, Trumps team wouldn't take it.
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